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    Quote Originally Posted by Leedo2502 View Post
    The only recourse that the Rat (Steve!) had is inaction or take out the threat.
    Inaction: Steve would eventually run into Pippin either when it came to light that Pippin poses no threat or the off chance that people stopped buying his BS excuses to get out of guard duty and thus being exposed to Pip'.

    Take Out the Threat: The only option that still allows the Rat to have the initiative. If taking out Pip works then he is back in buisness, if it doesn't work then he still has the ability to leave on his own terms either way this is the only way that lets Steve carry out his original mission, Gathering intelegence and sowing discord (such as stirring the pot and getting Lizzy booted).

    I still haven't noticed the "sniff" at the end of the episode but if there is one I'm thinking that maybe Steve was spritzing some cologne into the room so frame Vic and get them off of his back.
    And I think the shooting of the CB Radio idea is excessive... Honestly I think that Hope was purosfully wounded and left to smell "Victor" and let Steve get away with it
    I completely agree that IF Steven was the rat/assassin that getting rid of Pippin was essential to keep his cover and could also explain why he was so reluctant to be on guard duty with Pippin in the room, as Pippin would
    have probably recognized him from before. But the shooting of the CB Radio isn't too outlandish as it would create chaos in terms of communication to the Tower, something that the Mallers could take advantage of. I'm just
    saying it is a possibility, we will probably know for sure in the next part whether the last shot was...

    1. To Shoot the CB Radio (Which would explain why no one is answering)
    2. To Shoot Hope (Which would also explain why no one is answering) (*Credit to Mr.Scott101 for making that point)
    3. To make sure that Pippin was dead (Three in the head you know they're dead)

    However if it was Steven, wouldn't it mean that the Mallers knew about the Tower beforehand or maybe he contacted them/stumbled onto them on the radio in lieu of the situation when the Tower was in chaos?
    Last edited by Kn1ckerb0cker33; May 23rd, 2011 at 09:25 PM. Reason: Edits =D

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    I think that one thing that I haven't read was that now we know there are OBVIOUSLY two traitors in the tower. One was sent to Burt's Room to create a distraction with the alarm. (Anyone in the tower would know there was a alarm on that door and setting it off would not be an accident). And the second traitor would be there to kill Pippin. Classic distraction and assassination.

    Other notes.

    Hope is probably not dead. Why kill someone who can't ID you?
    Stephen is an obvious red herring.
    Whoever killed Pippin probably tried to kill Durai. Killing off the evidence of being a traitor. (I'll make another post about this in the Theories section later.)

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    Michael?

    Has anyone suggested Michael was the who killed pippin?

    he didn't trust pippin.
    he knows where the silenced pistol is.
    he put hope on guard duty.
    he how to use the silenced pistol as he has done it before.
    he made sure pippin was handcuffed
    pippin was surprised to see Michael "the good guy" going to kill him.

    What proves this wrong???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Farris View Post
    I think that one thing that I haven't read was that now we know there are OBVIOUSLY two traitors in the tower. One was sent to Burt's Room to create a distraction with the alarm. (Anyone in the tower would know there was a alarm on that door and setting it off would not be an accident). And the second traitor would be there to kill Pippin. Classic distraction and assassination.
    It's not completely obvious, but it is looking like there is a strong possibility that there are two traitors in the tower. One person could have probably pulled if off if they were quick enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by killerbeardhawk View Post
    Michael?

    Has anyone suggested Michael was the who killed pippin?

    he didn't trust pippin.
    he knows where the silenced pistol is.
    he put hope on guard duty.
    he how to use the silenced pistol as he has done it before.
    he made sure pippin was handcuffed
    pippin was surprised to see Michael "the good guy" going to kill him.

    What proves this wrong???
    Yes, it has been mentioned and there is some speculation regarding that it might have been done to just eliminate a potential spy threat (Pippin).
    Last edited by Kn1ckerb0cker33; May 23rd, 2011 at 09:59 PM. Reason: Addition

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    Honestly, nothing except that I don't think he has it in him. I don't know... just how the character has been represented so far through the series

    EDIT: They don't even need to be quick depending on how the alarm is rigged. If it goes off on someone touching the door then they'd just have to throw something at it.
    Last edited by kafu288; May 23rd, 2011 at 10:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Farris View Post
    I think that one thing that I haven't read was that now we know there are OBVIOUSLY two traitors in the tower. One was sent to Burt's Room to create a distraction with the alarm. (Anyone in the tower would know there was a alarm on that door and setting it off would not be an accident). And the second traitor would be there to kill Pippin. Classic distraction and assassination.
    The reason you haven't read it, is because it isn't necessarily two traitors in the towers. One person would be capable of tripping the alarm in the armory, hiding while Angel investigates the alarm, and slipping past him while Angel is doing that in order to assassinate Pippin.

    I do agree with your points on Steven, the shots at Durai, and also Hope probably isn't dead. But just because she can't see doesn't mean there isn't some identifying factor she can't make a connection to. Blind, not stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killerbeardhawk View Post
    Has anyone suggested Michael was the who killed pippin?

    he didn't trust pippin.
    he knows where the silenced pistol is.
    he put hope on guard duty.
    he how to use the silenced pistol as he has done it before.
    he made sure pippin was handcuffed
    pippin was surprised to see Michael "the good guy" going to kill him.

    What proves this wrong???
    The way I read it was that Pippn recognized his killer. Since he saw Michael, I would think that he would ask to be kicked to the curb and not be locked in the room, reading books, and waiting to be killed. So whoever killed him, he never saw in the tower. Given the opportunities of Burt, Saul, etc. this leaves only Riley. I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killerbeardhawk View Post
    Has anyone suggested Michael was the who killed pippin?

    he didn't trust pippin.
    he knows where the silenced pistol is.
    he put hope on guard duty.
    he how to use the silenced pistol as he has done it before.
    he made sure pippin was handcuffed
    pippin was surprised to see Michael "the good guy" going to kill him.

    What proves this wrong???
    He's the main character. And at the very beginning he was telling the story. I write stories a lot and one thing I think I can understand KC on is the attachment you feel for your main character. You want them to be the best, and often put a lot of yourself into them. so I can't see KC making him a murderer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikvoodoo View Post
    The reason you haven't read it, is because it isn't necessarily two traitors in the towers. One person would be capable of tripping the alarm in the armory, hiding while Angel investigates the alarm, and slipping past him while Angel is doing that in order to assassinate Pippin.

    I do agree with your points on Steven, the shots at Durai, and also Hope probably isn't dead. But just because she can't see doesn't mean there isn't some identifying factor she can't make a connection to. Blind, not stupid.
    Ok maybe it isn't obvious, but it is highly likely. There was a small period of time between the alarm and Pippin being killed. I'm no master of rooms and their location in the tower, but I would think that there would not be enough time between the alarm, killing Pippn, and leaving, all without being detected or causing suspicion. Having a two person plan makes more sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creem_Filling View Post
    He's the main character. And at the very beginning he was telling the story. I write stories a lot and one thing I think I can understand KC on is the attachment you feel for your main character. You want them to be the best, and often put a lot of yourself into them. so I can't see KC making him a murderer.

    Michael had killed many enemies in his years: humans, zombies, and even moles.

    He had killed to escape the colony and i think would kill to protect the tower.

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