Is Lizzy pregnant or infected?

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

That size bullet would have gone straight through Saul unless it went through something first. It went through Tommy first. Tommy's blood splattered all over Saul and into the wound. So there's that covered.

I don't remember hearing them saying that they cleaned the blood of him so Tommy's blood could have been on Saul and eventually entered him. Saul was knocked out for a long time. I think you need to be concious to start turning. Now that Saul is concious again I think he will start turning. Quite slowly of cause

Listen to the episode again. Burt missed and hit Saul. Saul comments before he passes out "I guess your not that good'a shot after all."
Please feel free to correct me if i'm wrong on that.

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

Unless the bullet is faulty. It sometimes happens that there's a fault in the bullet and that causes it to behave in ways that you wouldn't expect.

Luna,

What do you mean by a "Faulty" bullet?

[j0be]

Here's the odd thing, the SFX make it sound like Burt took two shots. (I don't know why I didn't notice that before)
Burt mentions his alcohol consumption may have been to blame, but later states he never misses.

We also have never heard that zombies can't turn while unconscious. Just because we haven't heard it, doesn't mean it isn't possible.

Also, Burt was NOT using Shirley when he shot Saul. Smaller caliber handguns do not always have exit wounds. It could have caught on his clavicle.

[j0be]

Luna,

What do you mean by a "Faulty" bullet?

She probably means something like a double fed bullet.

[HaveCrowBarWillTravel]

Saul's infection was most likely due to the barbaric nature of the surgery they preformed on him to remove the bullet. I still STILL cringe when I listen to that part.. argh! Kc's use of descriptive terminology makes me shudder. Its a section of the whole story that as a nurse scares me. I learned the hard way about the rounds exiting the gun. When you are told not to pick up spent shell casings and you do and it leaves blisters.. Imagine what the round exiting the casing is like. I verified it as well.

Yarri,

I've been hit by spent shell casing a LOT of times and from a good number of different weapons. Not one of them tickles. LOL.

Ok, lets say this happened:
They used Saul's knife as a scalpel substitute. What if Saul's attempt to clean said knife weren't as good as he thought? What if bleach were the only way to kill whatever was left on the blade or embedded in the hilt?
Saul is now immune, but is now a carrier. He and Lizzy swap spit...or more and now guess what?

I don't believe that, but I'm putting it out there because it's more plausible than the gun shot theory in my eyes.

[nikvoodoo]

Yarri,

I've been hit by spent shell casing a LOT of times and from a good number of different weapons. Not one of them tickles. LOL.

Ok, lets say this happened:
They used Saul's knife as a scalpel substitute. What if Saul's attempt to clean said knife weren't as good as he thought? What if bleach were the only way to kill whatever was left on the blade or embedded in the hilt?
Saul is now immune, but is now a carrier. He and Lizzy swap spit...or more and now guess what?

I don't believe that, but I'm putting it out there because it's more plausible than the gun shot theory in my eyes.

Are you discounting Tommy being shot and the blood splatter getting into Saul? Or are you just saying you don't believe the bullet carried the virus?

In order for Saul to have been shot and have the wound be under his collar bone, Saul would have to be facing Burt with Tommy between them (and Tommy had his back to Burt). There are two shots fired as j0be pointed out. So there are a few ways this sequence could have gone down:

• Shot 1 hits Tommy and goes through him and into Saul, the blood splatter gets near or into Saul's wound. Shot 2 could go anywhere at this point in this scenario and it wouldn't matter.
• Shot 1 hits Saul, and shot 2 hits Tommy and any resulting blood splatter could get near or into Saul's wound.
• Neither shot hits Tommy who plays possum knowing he's being shot at. One hits Saul, and the others misses both entirely.
• Shot 1 hits Tommy but no exit wound, so the second shot hitting Saul results in no contact with Tommy's blood.

I think that's about it in terms of scenarios that result from two shots one of which has to hit Saul. The hallways don't seem to be capable of producing a ricochet so that idea is eliminated too.

The biggest issue of all though: Do you believe Burt misses at close range even when drunk? Remember, he took out three or four Mallers at close range, has picked off a couple at a distance during this fight. Is it possible? Sure it is. But I'm hanging my hat on what I described as scenario #1 I listed above.

[Luna Guardian]

She probably means something like a double fed bullet.

Not really. If it were double fed it would have been mentioned afterwards. I meant that if the bullet was malformed in a way that decreased its penetration capabilities or if it had less gunpowder than it should have.

Also, I don't think it was proven that Burt missed entirely. Saul's comment might've been his typical quip. Burt's shot may have passed through Tommy and hit Saul. The end result would be approximately the same, Saul being hit, as if Burt had missed Tommy and hit Saul

[kafu288]

I wouldn't pay that much attention to Saul saying "I guess your not that good of a shot after all" if your trying to use that line to say Burt couldn't have shot Tommy. Burt may have put a bullet into both of them or shot through Tommy to hit Saul. As for the gun used, I don't remember the exact sequence of events detail for detail right now but I'm pretty sure I remember those shots sounding like they came from Shirley. Correct me if I'm wrong. I also seem to remember Burt saying that the bullet should have gone right through Saul which is why he thought that it went through Tommy first. So yeah, I'd say that bullet would have gone through Tommy to hit Saul. Also handgun bullets can go through one person to hit another. I don't know much about guns, in fact I know nothing other than AK47> Everything, but I saw teh end of Die Hard 4 I saw Bruce Willis fire a bullet through his shoulder to kill the bad guy

[Tandem25]

My first instinct while listening was that Lizzy's pregnant. I'll stick with that. I may eat my words but... meh.

[nikvoodoo]

I remember those shots sounding like they came from Shirley. Correct me if I'm wrong. I also seem to remember Burt saying that the bullet should have gone right through Saul which is why he thought that it went through Tommy first. So yeah, I'd say that bullet would have gone through Tommy to hit Saul. Also handgun bullets can go through one person to hit another. I don't know much about guns, in fact I know nothing other than AK47> Everything, but I saw teh end of Die Hard 4 I saw Bruce Willis fire a bullet through his shoulder to kill the bad guy

I am here to correct you (But don't worry, I made the same mistake at one time as well). Burt was out of Shirley rounds at the time he shot Saul.

Penetration power of a bullet is determined by a lot of factors: muzzle velocity, distance, medium the bullet is traveling through, objects it comes in contact with etc etc. So it's possible to put a bullet through Tommy into Saul, but it really depends on where Tommy got shot.