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Roger that!
great episode, season just got super interesting, i hope the home gets involved in the next part or at least this chapter
Marcus is a liiiiiiaarrrrr.
Also wtf with the taser omg.
Just finished listening. Great episode!
I wonder how this'll play out.
It sounded as if Marcus was plainly lying about being in the military. He didn't sound convincing, and he didn't know anything specific like his unit's number. That's a detail you don't forget quickly.
He did admit he tried to avoid the topic ("I'm just trying to forget all of it"), but it sounded fake to me.
Ok... "Contracts?" that sound evil as hell KC! Michael and the shovel. LOL! "Guardians" Work gangs. Capital punishment for minor issues. Broken nose equals a broken neck. wow!
This Shaun cat had mad pull in the Colony. Why would he have been out to be attacked though?
Hey Capt!
Marcus didn't have a clue what an "MOS" was. He's most def lying about being Army, but he's got everyone drinking the koolaid. He's big on Darwanism.
maybe shaun was an uneasy accomplice in this compound? might not have minded getting away from it.
Phenomenal episode, the quality of the writing from last episode to this episode skyrocketed from great to brilliant. There was an obvious, sinister tone which definitely helped to highlight the nature of the colony.
Marcus comes across as a little less forward version of the Governor from The Walking Dead. He does not appear to be outright violent yet, but we definitely can see that it wouldn't be a stretch for him to be violent. He was clearly lying in some way about his military past, his tone and the fact that he seemed very much unwilling to divulge any information seemed to allude to that. Things are about to get interesting...
Wow! This was an amazing episode. There's so much to go through. There are so many different ways this can go. I think Marcus probably killed his second-in-command. Probably because he was going against Marcus. It seemed like the people there liked him better. That will probably repeat itself with Michael. Seems like Marcus has his own personal armyand that can get very dangerous. I can definitly see the Tower and the Mallers teaming up. The Tower lacks the strength and means to stage a breakout. The Mallers will be better equiped for that. Maybe they'll promise them their own territory within the colony. Seemed like a pretty big place. Someone will escape. I think it'll be Hope and someone else (maybe Peggs). They'll alert the Burt and the others. Figure out an escape plan or takeover. Marcus and his military background is bs. That may bite him in the butt later.
I got to listen to this again. Amazing episode guys.
My only question is, who's Randy?
So I'm from the Army. Oh, what's that you say? MOS? What's that? Oh yeah ... but I'm still from the Army.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Who doesn't know what an MOS is?
Oh and BTW .......
TOLD YOU SO!
TOLD YOU SO!
TOLD YOU SO!
TOLD YOU SO!
TOLD YOU SO!
TOLD YOU SO!
TOLD YOU SO!
TOLD YOU SO!
TOLD YOU SO!
TOLD YOU SO!
TOLD YOU SO!
Excellent episode. It made me happy to realize it was the 21st when I woke up today. I'm definitely anxious for next week.
Side note: is there a larger version of the episode art on the web site anywhere? It may be a case of the Mondays as to why I can't find it. Thanks!
We'll get it up somewhere, eventually. The facebook page has a decent size version of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by VeritableHero
I liked it.
Maybe he was feeling randy?Quote:
Originally Posted by fraggot
Great episode!
Michael + Shovel = Badass
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when Micheal grabbed the shovel, a smile came up on my face
overall great episode, looking foward to next weeks episode
First things first i really have to get this outa my system before i can do anything else
I TOLD U SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
MALLER/ TOWER TAG TEAM HERE WE COME!!!!!!
I AM SOOOOOOO PSYCHED!!!!!
this episode was sooo awesome! i am so pumped like everything about it rocked, especially michael beating that tazer douchebag's face in with a shovel HELL YEAAAH, im so pumped i wanna go run a marathon or something crazy adrenalin rush! screw angel, i think michael might be my new favorite after that fiasco!
ok so now that i've got that outa my system,
so now we know the colony is gonna be set as the main villain of season 2. and here's how i can back it up the mallers are bad, yes, BUT they are not in conflict with the tower right now, they are off licking their wounds from the war and doing their own thing, while the colony is off tazing Pegs ( I am not that big a pegs fan, but ohhh hell no you dont just taze one of our people and get away with it ). these guys are the enemy standing in the tower's way.
This is all just a theory, but for now i think its a good possibility. I'm reaaaally going for that maller vs colony war season finale
The way i see it, it will not be possible for michael/pegs and kelly to escape with saul's medicine. think about it, how would they pull it off. first off they have to break into the armory and steal weapons, then they have to steal a car and then get through the gates, and i will bet you anything that marcus and the colony will be on their ass the moment they leave the colony and they would be hunted down.
Michael will play things out for the long term, he's accpted the position of second in command. We dont know why Shaun was killed, but i'm gonna take a leap of faith and say that he was planning a coup, ( we know that he was the one who saved Hope, and brought her to the colony, he was almost surely a good guy, and he was sick of the tyranny of how things were done in the colony, and so he winds up dead on marcus's orders) now michaels in that position, and he's gonna pull the same thing, except he's a lot smarter because he's Michael and we know what he's capable of.
I dont see michael leaving the colony, maybe Hope gets kicked out of the colony soon, and i can see Kelly and pegs somehow making a run for it while michael stays behind and covers for them, like nikvoodoo once said, things are run like a mafia in the colony, since micahel is in such a high position, he can probably make peggs and kelly dissapear without anyone noticing. but this is getting into detail. in vague terms, i see a small team making it out of the colony and running to the tower with saul's medicine. kelly has to be one of the people to make the run to the tower, she's smart and handy with a gun, she gets to the tower and alerts them of the situation, meanwhile back at the tower, tehres a truce/ peace treaty between the mallers and the tower ( somethign along those lines) the mallers are looking for somewhere new to live, well the colony is ripe for the picking. these two plan a collaborative strike. meanwhile michael insights a revolution wihtin the colony. and there you have it a set up for a season 2 finale ( oh and there will be sweat bottles ;) )
also, interesting choice for a title dont you think? " the catalyst" usually the titles hold double meanings, so this one has to have some importance as well
Amazing episode. Freaking blew my mind. I listened to this while I was working today. Immediately afterward, I went to clean a mirror and noticed how very bloodshot my eyes were. It wasn't from crying. It was from 20 minutes of not blinking.
I don't see a teamup against the colony exactly. I see a rescue of the colony - not necessarily bringing them out of the colony, but saving them from the commie dictatorship they've got going on there. I'd hate to see a bunch of forced slaves fighting for that bastard Marcus.
I'll be listening to this one again first thing in the morning.
Damn i hadnt thought of that... Well this changes everything mybe the season finale will be a revOlution within the colony. But tyat seems sooo much lamer than my maller dea. Oh well as long as the mallers show uP at some point and raise a little hell ill be happyQuote:
Originally Posted by RamblinMike
Hello, my children. Welcome to "I Told You So Theology 101: The Basics"
I know we all get excited and want to say I told you so all the time when we think our theories are correct, but we must look to our Patron Saint of "I Told You So" mythology, Burt Scott. Despite having full knowledge of I told you so sitting within his breast that the party was a bad idea and shouldn't have happened, he doth wait until the opportune moment to throw it in the leader Michael's face. But only did so when the Tower was fully under attack and was minutes from burning to the ground. And when it happened, it was good. And there was much Kalani ass kissing and rejoicing.
SO remember, You must have evidence and proof before I told you so can be thrown about haphazardly. For example, Nikvoodoo predicted we would meet Marcus in Chapter 19. He sayeth unto you "I told you so!"
Ra1th and Adogg, I will need to see you after class......(and Adogg, I'm not even sure what your I told you so was for. Write it in a two page essay by class time tomorrow...).......
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Ok I'm done being weird. I shouldn't be on here after driving for 10 hours in a day.
I won't admit to having heard the entire episode. It's very hard to hear spoken word while driving in a car anyway let alone with an Ipod FM tuner thingy that makes it really hard to hear anything the ipod is playing. I haven't had a chance to relisten to the episode yet, but here's my take on the basics of it: In thinking of the title "catalyst" means one that brings about change without altering the thing causing the change, or precipitates an event. Michael's release onto the populace of the Colony is the Catalyst for a revolution against Marcus. This isn't a society of fairness. It's all for the greater good. Michael disagrees completely. Michael's personality and addition of his defiant spirit to the society will spread like a virus until Marcus and the Guardians can't control it anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
I don't know if this stretches out for the entire remainder of the season. If it does stretch out that long, I'll be surprised how the mallers play in. No one knew about the Colony's existence and if you believe what was said about people not wanting to let that information out...hmm.... so many thoughts. Must relisten and catch everything that was said...
Again, sorry for being so weird.
I've been waiting for this lolQuote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Can I also say that from what we could hear in the car, I just got my fiancee hooked on "We're Alive" today. That's how good the story was. She has been making fun of me and my zombie podcast and forum since the time I signed up in January.
She's now glaring at me because she wants to listen to the whole story....the story she's been making fun of me for....and it's all my fault! So kudos on solid script today!
big daddy nikvoodoo arrives at last, i was wondering when you'd show up and school us all hahahaa
i'd like to start by retracting my first statement, since there's no way i can defend all the stuff in it, plus half of it was written while i was on a "michael just beat some guy with a shovel" rush.
so my I told you so, will be this, The season finale will end in a glorious war against the colony. conflict against the colony whatever, the colony is the badguy sitting on a fence, and it will fall and all the king's horses and all the kings men will not be able to put the colony back together again. basically i told you so, the colony is actively hostile. i believe that was what adogg was talking about too.
good catch on the title, i was totally drawing a blank on what was being catalyzed.
as for the mallers, i'll eat my hat if they dont play a role at some point before the season ends, maybe they wont come to the tower's aid playing "ride of the valkyries", but i dont see the colony being brought down by revolution alone. No doubt, Michael is a catalyst for the coming revolution, but the unarmed masses can be cowed by the guardians who hold all the weapons. It seems to works just like the communist regimes of old, with a ruling party holding the power (weapons), and the commoners following, if it was to happen revolution alone it would be long and bloody, and success isnt guaranteed. Let's assume there are 500 people in teh colony, if so let's say there are a 100 or so guardians, or something along a 1 armed guardian carrying an m16 (stolen from the armory, this is assuming the colony is the one who stole the weapons from the armory angel/kalani were at) against 5 common folk, that rebellion could be easily quelled, i'm sure Marcus has thought of this possibility and has defenses in place to stop it from happening, so there's no way the colony regiime is goign down with revolution alone, there will be a war, and that's how the season will end.
grade away professor voodoo
As I said, I was sadly in a car for 10 hours. It's very hard to listen/read/and comment while driving, especially when you factor in psychotic NYC drivers who change lanes without signaling, looking or caring if you are there or might have feelings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
Yeah....that was pretty sweet. And by pretty sweet, I mean very sweet.Quote:
i'd like to start by retracting my first statement, since there's no way i can defend all the stuff in it, plus half of it was written while i was on a "michael just beat some guy with a shovel" rush.
Ok, I can buy the I Told You So being the Colony is actively hostile. I can buy it, but I'm not entirely sold quite yet. Again, perspective perspective perspective. The rules are the rules, and if you break them there are consequences. Its the same as any society. They agreed to protection under Marcus, they have to follow the rules. Thanks for clarifying Adogg's comment. I wasn't sure if there was something else on the forums I had missed and I was slightly confused.Quote:
so my I told you so, will be this, The season finale will end in a glorious war against the colony. conflict against the colony whatever, the colony is the badguy sitting on a fence, and it will fall and all the king's horses and all the kings men will not be able to put the colony back together again. basically i told you so, the colony is actively hostile. i believe that was what adogg was talking about too.
I'm just glad I got it in before anyone else did!Quote:
good catch on the title, i was totally drawing a blank on what was being catalyzed.
Like I've said all along, I do believe the mallers have a huge role left to play. I just do not know how it's going to happen right now. There's still a lot of time left to establish and formulate an alliance/uneasy alliance/trick the Mallers into doing something, but I can't see how it can play out right now.Quote:
as for the mallers, i'll eat my hat if they dont play a role at some point before the season ends, maybe they wont come to the tower's aid playing "ride of the valkyries", but i dont see the colony being brought down by revolution alone. No doubt, Michael is a catalyst for the coming revolution, but the unarmed masses can be cowed by the guardians who hold all the weapons. It seems to works just like the communist regimes of old, with a ruling party holding the power (weapons), and the commoners following, if it was to happen revolution alone it would be long and bloody, and success isnt guaranteed. Let's assume there are 500 people in teh colony, if so let's say there are a 100 or so guardians, or something along a 1 armed guardian carrying an m16 (stolen from the armory, this is assuming the colony is the one who stole the weapons from the armory angel/kalani were at) against 5 common folk, that rebellion could be easily quelled, i'm sure Marcus has thought of this possibility and has defenses in place to stop it from happening, so there's no way the colony regiime is goign down with revolution alone, there will be a war, and that's how the season will end.
Remember, if you are an American citizen your country started because a bunch of upstarts organized themselves and outlasted the most power military in the world at the time. You need to have a strong enough will and the true passion to enact change. If that sentiment exists within the working class of the Colony, anything is possible. Michael's coup might take a long time to ferment. Or it will be done before the end of Chapter 19. It's hard to know. I'm guessing it will take longer.
C+. You have some capitalization issues, and spelling issues. Some of your sentences run on far too long and there is some very interesting punctuation. ;)Quote:
grade away professor voodoo
i suppose this is the whole perspective argument again, but Marcus isnt exactly the nicest guy in the world, i mean yes dictatorships do offer some benefits, but the people live in tyranny none the less, a broken neck in exchange for a broken nose? that's an extreme set of rules, but i suppose for now those rules have kept those people alive, but there is a reason kc is giving us said perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
well here's the thing about our revolution, yes we were a bunch of upstarts that took on the british superpower, BUT we did have help. at one of our most crucial moments, France went to war with Britain causing them to divert their attention away from the colonies. So that's why i say that the colony guardians are gong to be distracted by a direct assault from the outside, while michael and his rebel's start a guerilla war from the inside.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
as for the maller involvement, my theory is that there will be two fronts in the war on the colony, one direct assault from the front, and a rebellion from within crumbling the colony empire. BUT for that to happen, the tower would need to stage an attack on the colony, and the fact of the matter is, the tower simply lacks the man power for something like that. How many trained offensive soldiers do they have that can do something like this. You've got Burt, Angel, Saul (assuming he gets his medicine), Riley, Lizzy, these are ur leaders, and other than that, you have maybe 20 more people in the tower, but assume that about half of them are in no shape for battle. *cough* Datu n Kalani *cough* plus i'm sure there are tower tenants who arent capable of running and gunning etc. so on a good day the tower can muster up 10-15 ppl. thats ok when on defense, but not enough for a serious threat to the colony. AND BAM maller time. we know what the mallers are capable of, especially their offensive tactics. earlier someone mentioned that the mallers werent going all out on their attack on the tower otherwise they woulda driven an oil tanker to the tower door and blown it up, so anyhoo the mallers have the fire power, and the tower has the intel.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
sob sob sobQuote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
http://blog.changemyselfchangethewor.../failure11.gif
One of the rules in a zombie apocalypse is to approach other survivors with caution and take note of EVERYTHING. If they are not a welcoming community like our Tower-folk (with some expected reluctance to take in another mouth to feed), they are one or more of four categories...
A) they want to eat you
B) they want to experiment on you
C) they want to rape and pillage or
D) they want to ensalve you
Since Victor(?) wasn't too thrilled about bringing them home we knew right away that they weren't sheltering old folks in the back room. A massive scale prison breakout would be ideal and make for one heck of a finale, but at the moment I'm skeptical (when am I not) about how our trio will escape (IF they escape). Unless I missed a detail somewhere the Mallers have no good reason to help the Tower folks nor come to the aid of Michael Pegs and Kelly. Not to mention the Tower has no reason to trust anything the Mallers say. And after the War, do either side have the resources and man power to take on The Colony? Yes, Scratch has a grudge against Pegs and a "nobody kills her but me" mentality but Durai is running the show.
This is all blind speculation but did anyone consider Michael could take over The Colony at some point in the story? The man is pretty quick to figure things out and he's got the ability to gain influence over people who are pains in the butt. It'd be a shame to waste everything the Colony has to offer with the Tower still being in such a weakened state. Perhaps this mysterious Randy is the person that saved Michael's life at the water tower. Who knows. Gah, I need another episode. It's too early too tell.
One issues here is the rules, aside from the "EVERYONE WORKS FOR THE GOOD OF THE MOST" we haven't had a rules brief yet.
Sure don't take in more people than you previously stated in the gatehouse is a unwritten rule, but is there a curfew?
Is there a rule wall or is it more like a silent oppression...
Tanya ratted out Micheal in < 1 day no doubt, and not because she had to but because she chose to.
She wanted to be on Marcus's good side, note the hot coffee that she was told to go fetch upon his arrival.
Hot coffee for example may be something he has over most of his working class.
It seems like there are a privileged few and then there are those who are a lesser class, follow me on this: a noncombatant class of people that are valued lower than the leader for example.
He has already stated all for the greater good and what not so why wouldn't he withhold the best stuff for the upper class?
Or it really could just be some simple cafeteria instead of a locked down prison slop hole.
A man was hung up for a previous incident as was stated earlier, martial law may not exist yet outside of "work hours" but it is clear that something is at play larger than what we have seen.
I feel like what was dropped in the hall was blood.
I feel like there is something serious going on inside the Colony, Ground Zero stuff.
Experimental or something otherwise that was taken from the last tower that fell maybe something that Shaun/Shawn/Sean went back for?
well the reason the mallers came a knockin on our tower's front door was because they needed a new place to stay, and that's exactly how there could be a maller team up with the tower. the tower has its agenda, rescue group michael, and the mallers get a new place to live. of course the hole in this plan is the people living under tyranny in the colony. they cant live there if the mallers are gonna be in charge. they shoulda been cannibals, no one cares if cannibals dieQuote:
Originally Posted by Zombiehead
Communism 101, well the failed version that the ussr used anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by Funny Muffins
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Originally Posted by Funny Muffins
Maybe there were lots of rules once, but I'm guessing it's been boiled down to this one:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
I dig this theory. Sounds plausible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombiehead
This was a cool episode but so frustrating because it only cemented exactly what most of us thought. The colony was not going to be good and I think it may have been a better idea to have one of them not go in and at least be able to relay where they were but now they're stuck for the time being. If Burt had been there no way he was giving up shirley.
It's the payoff. So far KC has been setting up the character of the Tower and its residents against the Colony, and now we're seeing the worlds collide. When the magician pulls the tablecloth, nobody complains that the table's disappeared. Setup and payoff. It's good stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beaumont
I know it's obvious, but it hasn't been stated in the discussion yet, but in thinking of our I Told You So 101 lesson earlier, Victor is about to get himself a big ol' I told you so to Michael next chapter. That's where Michael is heading at the end of the episode.
Again, I know that's pretty blatant but nobody has stated it yet.
Dictatorships can offer stability when there is none to be had. One person rises to the top, establishes control and...well basically expects everyone to kiss his butt for the rest of time because he did so. Yes, it is extreme to hang a person for breaking someone's nose but that is the norm of this society. And the reason we get this perspective is so we can see how different and unfair people are treated in the Colony vs. The Tower. Just imagine if Michael had the Colony's rules at the Tower. Riley, Lizzy, Kelly, Kalani, Burt, Pegs, and Saul would all be dead for challenging his authority at some point in time. Oppression of a people works and has worked for centuries....the problem is when a catalyst comes along....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
Kudos. I raise your grade from a C+ to a B for this argument. :pQuote:
well here's the thing about our revolution, yes we were a bunch of upstarts that took on the british superpower, BUT we did have help. at one of our most crucial moments, France went to war with Britain causing them to divert their attention away from the colonies. So that's why i say that the colony guardians are gong to be distracted by a direct assault from the outside, while michael and his rebel's start a guerilla war from the inside.
The person who mentioned it wasn't an all out attack was me. The Mallers want the tower for their own. If they wanted it destroyed and its residents to die, they could have done it with ease during the party without ever trying to negotiate.Quote:
as for the maller involvement, my theory is that there will be two fronts in the war on the colony, one direct assault from the front, and a rebellion from within crumbling the colony empire. BUT for that to happen, the tower would need to stage an attack on the colony, and the fact of the matter is, the tower simply lacks the man power for something like that. How many trained offensive soldiers do they have that can do something like this. You've got Burt, Angel, Saul (assuming he gets his medicine), Riley, Lizzy, these are ur leaders, and other than that, you have maybe 20 more people in the tower, but assume that about half of them are in no shape for battle. *cough* Datu n Kalani *cough* plus i'm sure there are tower tenants who arent capable of running and gunning etc. so on a good day the tower can muster up 10-15 ppl. thats ok when on defense, but not enough for a serious threat to the colony. AND BAM maller time. we know what the mallers are capable of, especially their offensive tactics. earlier someone mentioned that the mallers werent going all out on their attack on the tower otherwise they woulda driven an oil tanker to the tower door and blown it up, so anyhoo the mallers have the fire power, and the tower has the intel.
The one major major major missing component at the moment is the ability to contact the Tower. They are out of radio contact with the Tower, they are not allowed to leave the Colony at the moment and Burt isn't going to send out a search party to find M/P/K. If Michael finds a radio tower in the Colony and can give the Tower a message that they are in real trouble: your Maller/Tower alliance becomes much more of a foregone conclusion. I agree with you that the Tower can not go on any sort of offensive. The Mallers (as we saw) can.
They really haven't set them against the Colony until this episode. It really could have went either way once they were inside, even though we were all suspicious, but given the circumstances thus far every character should be much more cautious than they have been. They really didn't have many options given injuries and transport so they had to step inside and if Michael can be given some sort of authority inside "The Colony" that is really going to be the only play they have at the moment other than random recon they can get from seeing and speaking to the others. I'm sure not all the people there agree with how things are being run and might be following due to fear of the outside or just not having any other options.Quote:
Originally Posted by RamblinMike
We don't really know what the internal economy of The Colony is so we can't really call it a communism. Since there are trading posts and it seems that things are run on barter we can be pretty sure that it's not communistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by RamblinMike
Do you really believe that's all the Mallers wanted? Not for nothing but if you wanted to take a place over, maybe pipe bombs would be left at home?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
For the record, it's Sean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Funny Muffins