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Theories, discussions, all go here for 18-2
KC, it made my heart happy that you brought Hope into the story. It's nice to hear that she made it out alive; that is a nice way to make us feel better about you killing off our dear Samantha.
Greg did a good job with his lines, too. He was very chipper so I hope that indicates a happy environment in the colony that we can trust. Although, I could just be setting myself up for disappointment when it turns into a weird place.
Overall, this episode did a great job of advancing the story.
I'm even more anxious to return to the Angel story, though, and finally learn what's been happening at the tower.
Pete is Greg from another podcast! So cool, KC.
Umm ..... the writing seemed spot on. I really felt like this is what would happen but I'm not sure I felt that anything big happened. We did learn that they are pro-military (I was worried they may have actually fought some military earlier), that they still have supplies (and lots of them), and are coming under attack.
They don't seem much like cannibals to me. I doubt they would have bothered with any medical aid if they were planning on eating them. Keeping Hope alive was good pathos and softened the hard image of the Colony suggested in part 1. There's still potential for drama when our crew meets Marcus, but I doubt it will be of the gustatorial variety.
On a different note, I have to say I really appreciate the sound editing. I normally listen on my car speakers which are just factory issue. I listened to this week's podcast in my home office on a set of quality speakers and the sound of the truck rumbling came through wonderfully. I'm tempted to go back and start from the beginning and hear what I missed the first time around.
Speaking of the sound design, as soon as they walked into the street and I heard birds, I knew they were safe. Honestly, when was the last time you heard that many birds chirping in this podcast?
i certainly hope that we'll be hearing more about michaels arm, but i suppose it wouldnt make much sense for michael to tell the story to a bunch of random people. The colony doesnt seem so bad but it is a dictatorship nonetheless.
ok so here's my theory, Michael's arm is out for another month or so, so he's basically useless till then, i get the feeling that this Marcus (speaking of which who is he? other than the leader, have we met him before?) is not gonna let michael leave. Soldiers are valuable, so they might force michael to stay. Maybe Kelly and Pegs will run the meds back to saul in the tower, and then teh next storyline would be something as to how the colony is evil incarnate, and an alliance forms between the mallers and the tower, and then they go to war with the colony as it seems both the mallers and the tower need to relocate.
i rly rly rly want a team up with the mallers and the tower, but this is all just blindly throwing stuff out there to get to an end where theres a maller/tower tag team on the colony.
also hope, i had no clue who she was cause every time i re listen to the podcast, i always skip chapter 10 or all the parts with samantha and datu, but i'd hope to hear where the old tower is and an exploration of that area, maybe they have water or power or maybe thats wehre they'll move into.
Also, KC, i live in Irvine, and i know the santa ana area really well, is the colony based on somewhere real?
Perhaps...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
Why not an alliance WITH the colony? I mean really what's the difference between the way Michael/Burt act and the way we think Marcus acts? I remember Burt not letting people go look for help for Saul ....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
I'm in the minority now that thinks the Colony is not all that bad (yet) but something certainly has the scouts thinking it is... Now what could that be....
I'm with you tentatively. But I believe one of two things will happen: The Tower will agree to move to the Colony and will be attacked en route by Mallers (I think this to be less likely).Quote:
Originally Posted by Adogg
Or, the Tower moves to the Colony but are too used to doing things their own way (and we all know how well people in the Tower obey rules and submit to authority...) which leads to friction and results in conflict between the two groups. This could open The Tower group to the alliance with the Mallers everyone seems so keen for, because the Tower group will be desperate.
i think its also highly possible that the tower is going to move to and re fortify the second tower, now that they have the girl Hope, and she went blind after the outbreak, she'll know the location of the second tower, which was allready heavily barricaded from what kalanin tells us, im under the impression that the story will most likely stay in LA because thats where ground zero is, and taht plays a pretty big role in thisQuote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
And Adogg, i want a maller/tower team up instead of a tower/colony team up because i think Durai is a total badass. I love the whole enemy of my enemy is a friend thing, it was so awesome in dragon ball z when vegeta joined up with goku, or when vader turns against the empreror, Durai's the devil we know, so i want a team up
My God when they went into that door I felt...hopeful. I mean a piano! we had a piano with a happy melody! Man if these guys could do all this I can't wait to see what happens! But the whole thing with Marcus not letting them go seems a bit scary. God the third time this show has made me cry with Hope finding out about Samantha (WHY DIDN'T THEY TAKE KALANI!!!). I CAN'T WAIT FOR NEXT WEEK WE'RE ALIVE HAS MADE MONDAYS HAVE MEANING!!
How about a Colony/Tower team up against the "cause" of the issue (aka INK) .... and the Mallers get in the way. Maybe they get into the tower or ....
the colony!
dun dun dun!
Well it looks like the colony isn't full of cannibals or at least of what we've heard so far. I'm just wondering who this Marcus character is, I would really like to hear more about him. I'm also really anxious to hear about Angel and Kalani again. I think right now their story is a bit more exciting while Michael/Pegs/Kelly's story is full of more drama. I wonder how Angel's and Kalani's plan will work out and what will happen. But really this new episode shows that the colony is strong and that its going to play a bigger part than I originally thought.
But thats sooooooo cliche. comeon, 2 good guys fighting the badguy, not to mention, it seems that one of the good guys is MAAASSIVE (colony is supposed to be a few thousand strong) besides the colony. not darth vader, and not very badass. cause heres the thing, the mallers are not that big a threat. last time they attacked, the tower fended them off without any problems, theres no point in a colony/tower team up against the mallers, thats overkill. the colony on the other hand is HUGE, so its ok. oooooorrrr it could be a maller, colony team up on the tower, eh we'll find out soon enough, but i guarantee you this, there will be a team up, or a civil war, or something, but there will be teamsQuote:
Originally Posted by Adogg
Purely Opinionated
Great episode but, it was short lived. It seems that this episode was shorter than others by a good margin. Also, why no update on Angel and Kalani? I mean I can understand how hard it is to make an episode of such pure epicness but we wait a week to get some good media on our brains and we get shorted in length and content? On another note: the Colony people piss me off. Honestly how rude and unsociable can a zombie apocalypse make some one? It seemed like every time Michael Pegs or Kelly tried to talk they would either get told to shut up because they are stupid or get the cold shoulder with some evading answers. It sounds like the people of the colony have something preoccupying their minds all the time and it is either too esoteric to tell an outsider and just let them stumble about in conversations because no one will tell them whats what, or it something that they cant tell outsiders yet and have a problem with whatever it is. It also felt like an anime when the characters arent saying what would naturally come next in a conversation and then being satisfied with not clarifying the ensuing confusion. Other than that, Im anticipating the re-break of Michaels arm with dread, lol. Its like a car crash, you dont enjoy whats happened but you still have to turn your head and watch. Keep 'em comming, they are amazing!
Um, if I remember correctly, the Mallers almost burned the Tower to the ground and the only way the Tower got rid of them was by summoning a massive hoard of zombies. Those seem to be problems. Few casualties maybe, but that was just luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
I loved this episode. When I heard the girl's name was Hope, I leapt out of my chair and was gasping/shouting her name, recognizing it seconds before Michael and Pegs did. Amazing twist. Also, we finally here at least a little bit of how Michael broke his arm. Crushed in a door...but I'm convinced more happened than that.
what i meant to say was, that they are not an undefeatable enemy. the last maller attack was fended off, and if i had to call it, i'd say the tower did a hell of a lot more damage to the mallers than the mallers did to the tower, point of it is, the mallers and the tower fought head to head, and it was pretty much a draw, so storywise, it would be stupid to have a team up with the tower and the colony against the mallers, the colony has at least 1000 people. the tower has about 30 ppl, and the mallers have maybe 50-80 ppl left, now in what way is a tower/colony team up on the mallers fair? that'll just be complete domination.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pikepaw
the mallers are not that big a threat, because the mallers attacked the tower, and it ended in absolute and utter failure. are they a threat ? yes, but they can be beaten, but if the colony was to become hostile to the tower, now THATS a real difference in power
Without knowing what Durai's plans for the Tower were, we can't really say if it was a total failure or not. Remember Scratch went against his wishes when she dropped the Molotov Cocktail. If the Mallers had wanted to destroy the Tower entirely, they probably could have done it. Hell, they could have taken one of their tankers, driven it into the lobby and thrown a pipe bomb at that. They were most likely trying to take over the Tower for their own purposes which is harder to do than just throwing enough pipe bombs into a building to take it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
I will also say if the Colony turned hostile, it doesn't seem like they would go on an offensive like the Mallers did. The Colony has dug themselves in deep where they are and I doubt they would ever travel up to L.A. to attack anyone. They have a lifestyle that works really well for them, and without meeting Marcus or knowing anything about him yet, it doesn't seem like he would do something so rash as to launch an offensive and leave the Colony in a weakened state.
Just to clarify:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
1000 = Colony (Speculation from Michael, may not be accurate)
30 ppl= Tower (You're close)
50-80 ppl- Mallers (That is completely unknown)
I didn't give anything away, but maybe this might help a little in the discussion.
Yes we do, their base at the time was absolutely terrible. So they wanted the tower which was much better fortified and far easier to defend. Which was why they didnt just blow the place to smithereens. They wouldn't have even needed to drive a tanker there since the Tower had one sitting in their backyard already.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Indeed if there were a 2v1 teamup a maller-tower vs colony seems like it would be more interesting. Though it might be something against the zombie ground zero as well. If things at the colony do go well, despite the subtle hints that it wont, they would have enough people to make a more organized attack on ground zero. Of course that would pose a new problem of convincing the colonists to help, since they are as previously stated pretty well dug in.
Excellent point, hope you're right. Datu has become a really miserable character lately. Maybe this will end his moping and gloom and bring back the old guy I liked.Quote:
Originally Posted by jiwasz
Ok, so this is my first real post on the forum, don't beat me up too bad about not knowing established theories.
Finding Hope was an interesting turn in the plot, however too little too late in my opinion for any emotional connection. But what it could do is give us some backstory on Kalani, maybe Hope knows about him, maybe she can finally get him killed or abandoned. I would like to see the passages written in Datu's journal by Samantha passed on to Hope so that she can read some of her mother's final words.
I have to wonder if the colony has a helicopter. The challenge of getting Michael, Pegs, and Kelly back to tower with Michael having a freshly re-broken arm could be greatly alleviated with a chopper. Also, if a rescue mission is hatched by the colony for the tower, maybe some characters will remain in the tower - skeptical of change and fearful of the new community.
Lastly, as a Walking Dead reader, the colony strikes a sour note and a too close to the Governor storyline. I am willing to look past this in a collateral evolution of a zombie outbreak.
Guess someone would have to read them to her, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffatopolis
Interesting thought. I'm guessing the ones that would stay behind wouldn't last too long if their numbers weren't substantial. Guessing the majority of the named survivors in the tower would jump at the chance to get to a seemingly more secure place.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffatopolis
Let me say the same thing but in a different way: Without knowing what Durai's exact plans are, we can't call the attack an absolute and abject failure. That's the point I was making was the success/failure of his attack. If you had finished reading the rest of that paragraph you would have seen that I concluded "taking it over for their own purposes"Quote:
Originally Posted by Hikaro
Nikvoodoo, ur right... as usual, at this point it doesnt seem likely that there would be any need for a tower/maller team up on the colony. at least not to defend themselves.
It just seems shallow to have the mallers just be the badguy again. Plus the thing is, even if we dont know what the maller intention was during the war, and we dont really know the full potential of the mallers, but it would seem tacky to me to have the mallers become a threat that is powerful enough to eclipse both the colony and the tower. it just seems like it would be changing the enemy to fit the situation, well whatever it is i'm sure it'll be done in an artful way and we wont even notice, cause i had the same worry when the michael group set out to find a doctor (oh are u just gonna find a doctor out there now that u need one? but it was done rly well so)
ahh theres just not enough information on the colony to theorize what will happen.
also, greg miller was pete, i love him and all but his voice work seemd noticeably worse compared to the actors, just makes you appreciate how talented they are.
Also after re listening to it all, michael and peggs seemed like douche bags about questioning Hope, seriously, what good came of that other than making her cry, and then not even realizing that they made a serious mistake. they're guests, they should behave that way, i guess we'll find out where the second tower was, maybe thats where the tower will move to, cause it seemed very secured from what kalani told us. it seems like a better idea to stay in LA because thats where ground zero is and that seems like it'll play a role in the story
Was this one of the first episodes besides the first ones that only had one story plot?
Could it perhaps be right around here? Pretty close to Los Alamitos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
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I think greg did a good job as Pete
and I TBH I'd rather that the tower doesnt ally with anyone especially the mallers
I hope so. Domino's Pizza is close so they can probably get delivery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Servernode
Bringing back Hope was awesome. Have a feeling she will play a bigger part in outing Kalani in whatever his past his. Or she can just inform more about the other tower, maybe even give some info on Ground Zero.
Greg's part sounded like any shop keeper in a RPG. May I show you my wares?
I think the obvious conclusion is that Michael and company are going to have to break out. Probably with Victor's help as he seems to hate being there and that is why he didn't want them to come. I think with a little sweet talk they will be able to win him over and stage a break out.
As for all these team ups, I don't know why everyone thinks a team up has to happen to get rid of another group. In fact, taking a cue from Egypt, I could even see a uprising and Marcus being dethroned and the Tower people moving in then. But while I could see that happening, I don't think it will. Ground Zero is in LA and so is Ink so I don't think we are leaving anytime soon.
All I have to say is that Michael really doesn't know how to STFU when in a strange place surrounded by strangers for an Intel guy, especially Psych Ops. Running his mouth instead of paying attention. Hell, I wanted to slap him for the doctor.
Speaking of STFU, did anyone else notice when Kelly was coming into the room with Vic? She was saying, "[something... sounds like, 'lost'?] on the beach, and then one thing led to another, and then we ended up here." Sounds like she was speaking a bit freely with him. I figure that either this will come out poorly (in the form of Vic spilling the beans to Marcus, and then Marcus using it against them) or well (in the form of Vic choosing to side with the Tower and helping the three escape).Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
My reservations about The Colony, far from being dispelled, were further confirmed in this episode. Tanya says that when Hope arrived, "nobody wanted her around". Tanya had to take the blind 14yo zombie apocalypse survivor under her wing just to keep her around. I think that while the Colony may have good intentions (we'll see), they're highly self-serving. Has anyone considered that they might have turned Michael away not because he might be infected, but because his arm might be a burden? I'm guessing that if you can't help them, they don't want you, whether you're a soldier with an ugly arm injury or a destitute apocalypse survivor.
Anyhow, Vic's comments are still bugging me. "If you last a week, then we'll talk". That hasn't been explained yet. But there's obviously a lot of forced work going down, and I bet Vic and Ferdinand didn't choose to be scouts at Outpost One - hence the bitterness.
Wasn't exactly what he said...Quote:
Originally Posted by RamblinMike
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Originally Posted by RamblinMike
Actually Vic says ''Talk to me in a week''
Re listen to chapter 18 part 1, around 4:25 minutes in he says it
Maybe Kalani isn't telling them everything. I do think Hope will tell them something about Kalani that he doesn't want them to find out. Maybe its something he did at the tower or beforehand.Quote:
Originally Posted by megamanxzero35
Here's something we haven't mentioned yet: What was Tanya starting to say when Michael and she overlapped in the beginning of the episode. I didn't catch it the first time because I was on the subway, but I listened again and heard the overlap. Because that is obviously there for a reason. There are ways to fix that in post production if it were an accident while recording. Anybody able to catch what she started to say?
This was a really good episode. I had a feeling that they wouldn't be allowed to leave if they got in to the colony. Anyway here is what I think will happen:
-Either Kelly or Pegs will escape and get back to the tower to help Saul.
-They will come across Skittles and he will help escort either Kelly or Pegs to the tower.
-Saul will recover and the tower will go to attack the colony.
... and somehow they will all become friends and make an awesome city.