pew pew... enjoy. got sick, so publishing early. /hope I don't screw this up.
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pew pew... enjoy. got sick, so publishing early. /hope I don't screw this up.
Thanks again for another early episode. Downloading it now.
Feel better soon KC. :nik:
...and as I was about to hit the hey...part 2 was posted early... LOVE IT!
Damn, im feeling the love with these early episodes..... Thank you Kc, and hope you get better!
How are they torturing him, putting him on top of the truck.....? Or are they dragging him?
AND HE WAS LYING! THE LITTLE FUCK BUCKET! What a weasel.....
Not sure if i like this new Riley or not, she seems too violent..... But at least they didn't do any extreme torture like Burt had.....
Lol, Saul cracking jokes about Fernando again.... At least he sounds somewhat happier.
The sweat seems to be working, surely the zombies would attack when they are this close....
Oh boy, i feel like something bad is about to happen with the baby.....
Oh man, my heart jumped when the drilling started..........
Haha, Kelly is such a bad influence......
Hm, so Tanya's keratin levels are going down..... Does that mean Saul's is also down? What does it even mean?
Oh shit, the Mortuary has turned into a Ground Zero type gas......
That was a pretty damn cool episode. That weasel Tardust was lying the whole time, and hopefully gave up Scratch's location. Wonder if she is there, or if they find a clue as to where she fucked off to. Also, it seems Skittles' sweat actually somewhat works as a repellent, which will be interesting to see how close they can get to the base of the zombies. Also, since Tanya doesn't notice the air from Ground zero, it managed to contaminate the Mortuary. Since the body was somewhat rotted and eroded the body bag, does that mean the haze from Ground zero is actually from tones of bodies that are rotting down? And does that mean it will spread everywhere since there are dead zombies around the country?
This is a great episode.
Our heroes FINALLY are figuring things out. I just love it.
On the marks: someone figured out already that they probably meant protection and that's why Ink tattoed himself with them. I now think he did it in multiple languages to be sure everyone would get it regardless of their background?
The tension was unbearable for me in so many different ways:
- during the Riley and Burt scene, I was fearing some graphical torture like with Scratch and Burt, which I always skip when re-listening.
- when Michael and Co get close and personal with the korean zombie, for obvious reasons;
- the worst was with Tanya and Pegs all alone out there. Man, all the lines were like "Where did I put this EXTREMELY IMPORTANT piece of information? Oh, sure, I conveniently left it somewhere else... let me pause the description of the crucial findings to go get it and thus interrupt it until next week...". I'm glad I was wrong but I think I stopped breathing for a while. I was fearing a little one would find them, or Scratch, or whatever.
Now, the body dissolving in a cloud is interesting. Essentially I'm thinking this happened before.
Theory 1: The corpses were stuffed underground and rot until whatever makes the gas (bacteria, whatever) did its job. Then it stayed there for a long time, possibly some of the corpses turned into oil. A small quake lets the gas escape (the cracks) and boom zombie apocalypse.
Theory 2: the problem with theory 1 is that Ink cannot predict quakes; so I thought of an alternative: it could also be that some of the yellow gas was present in oil, again, oil produced by the corpses buried underground during the last mass extinction event, and that is introduced in the atmosphere through the combustion engine, although in diluted form. Ink could have figured that after so many years of using the combustion engine the concentration of the gas was about to reach critical mass at least in some of the more developed countries and thus he could have prepared accordingly.
I personally love theory 2, mostly because it makes Eugenio Barsanti responsible for the whole apocalypse and thus this old message becomes relevant to the scenario. :yay:
Hello.
Dragging - fast enough that he can follow the truck by running at the proper pace ...
I completely disagree with Riley and Burt here - especially because I don't see why Riley is so focussed about it. This makes no sense to me.
Also I wonder what gives them the right to hold him as a prisoner and force him to do things. Are the actions justifiable by the means? I have trouble accepting this. So far we know that imprisonment, punishment, and torturing were mostly used by those survivalists who were "evil" in terms of this story (Mallers, Colonists before the last take-over); the one exception was Fort Irwin, when they hid Tanya ... I wonder how Riley's and Burt's behaviour relate to those other examples ...
Where in relation to Inglewood is the Mortuary? Is it as close to Inglewood that he should not make us wonder so much, 'cause Ring of Fore and shit? Or is it some kind of far away from Inglewood that the survivors should start to worry, 'cause gas and stuff seems to "undermine" the whole of LA?
Follow-up question: Is this gas-thing happening in other locations of the world as well? And are there other zombie-infested areas where some kind of weirdo zombie-lord uses symbols of protection and defense?
Yeah, my thoughts as well. But what would this imply? That a) Ink knew about the catastrophe before it kicked in, b) Ink was part of the people/ things having started this shit, c) that the different symbols root in the same basic (monotheistic) idea?
The way Tanya described lets me believe that there seems to be a direct link between the dissolving body and the gas ... We know and again received confirmation that the gas affects people (Pegs coughing); and from what we "know" and "assume" the gas plays a role in the whole zombie-thingy. But what exactly is it? Or is the gas some kind of counter-measurement against them zombos? I swing towards the latter idea, 'cause a) it seems to dissolve bodies after some time of exposure and b) when Inglewood was affected there were no zombs around.
Now the question: If Ink uses these symbols, does he use them in order to make zombos leave the gas-areas?
Best wishes!
Liam
On thing's for certain ... This chapter is all about setting up the endgame ...
And I wonder how quickly the attached smell starts wearing off and thus exposes Michael, Victor, and Saul ...
And Kc:
Get better! Now! Health above anything else, take care!
Think it's sort of good that they are after Scratch: While revenge is not good, Scratch is till after Pegs, so in a way, they are going after her to protect Pegs, although not directly.
It used to be one of CJ's safehouses, so i would assume it was relatively far away from GZ. I remember them saying its location, but i don't remember....
Yellow gas. Makes me think of Mustard Gas.. Has similar effect. Suffocates you.. I thought originally the gas was purple or it was a purple haze at Ground Zero.. or I am thinking of something else..
It was nice to here Vic and Saul's normal banter.. I think Saul getting out is doing him good.. But seems like Smelly Skittles is something you want to have..
The Cabin in the Woods.. Seen that horror movie.. Looks like we may seen another one.. Scratch style..
But several things about Dunbar has me worried.. Not sure why. Maybe it was me picking up on things that was not there in the conversations. But something felt ominous to me. Maybe it was a prelude to the Gas..
Last and not least.. I hope you get better KC..
Guessing that the Cabin in the art work is the secret base Tardust is taking them too.
Could not resist ...
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I love We're Alive in the morning.
So Riley and Burt decide in making him run instead of pulling fingers. Which I still don't like but it a better thing. Since you can at least recover from that. And by the sound of his voice this was the only thing done to him. Him hide that last site wouldn't be too sinister. She will know if he betray her and as we know that not a good thing when comes to Scratch. Compare this to Skittles worries about be found out.
It's good to hear Vic and Saul joking again. I was just wondering if he had another song ready.
Smell the rainbow!
CJ the planner is better then most zombie survivals series. Morgan from Walking Dead is the only person this ready. And privacy, Ain't Nobody Got Time For That!
Someone is a bad influence. Datu would have not approve.
How made bodies were at ground zero, could also explain why the they all disappear when the gas left.
How did Tanya count go all the way down to normal, could it have been bc she was in the presence of the great Skittles>
So Tardust is guantanamo'ed by Burt and Riley. This not great.
Certainly the wrong music for this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyZrK9meebo
It's also good they made some headway with what the symbols mean: will we find out more about them, or will it not be needed?
Also, what was the symbol called that Tanya was describing after the Eye of Horus? Couldn't figure out the spelling of it...
It's the rune Algiz
I'm kinda more interested in the Rainbow fan though, I'd love to know where that's from or if Kc made that one up himself...
My Thoughts
I said before I wasn't a huge fan of torturing Tardust. That being said... there is torture and there is Torture. One can say that cutting back rations to a prisoner is torture. Locking them in solitary is torture. Both of those are not huge OMG!!! things. Nothing like being beaten with hammers and cutting off fingers.
While I am not a fan of even this much, running Tardust behind the car isn't really hardcore. It is more mental. Seems that they stop anytime they see him fall. They are not dragging him behind the car for long periods of time. It is a dark path though. While, IMO, not a big deal at the moment could turn into something really bad if the show went on for a few more seasons. If their version of torture is just lots of running, then I am not worried to much. It is petty mild to be honest. No long term damage. Just a nap and you are better.
Also I don't blame Tardust too much. The Cabin to him seems like a hail mary pass. They went there once (if he is telling the truth) and that is it. He knows that if Scratch was to kill Burt and Co at the cabin... he is SOL. The other places could be written off as 'They got lucky'. The Cabin is a giant neon sign that says "I SOLD YOU OUT" and his life has a end date. He knows the odds of him living are slim. The odds of him living with Burt and Riley are slim. He will not with Scratch. Not saying he deserves to live, but I understand him trying to save his life and trying his best to keep from dieing. He has to hope that Scratch dies at the Cabin. If she lives he is a dead man. Thus why he didn't want to mention it.
Also I hope the biodiesel conversation was a shout out to Redbeard of We're Alive Fancast. Unless KC says otherwise.. it will be in my head.
The Skittle Musk is still odd to me. He really feels like a Maguffin. We set up they track by scent, so we have a random guy produce a smell that makes him be ignored. Just very very odd to me. I would have rathered they rub poop, Zombie Blood, or waited till it rained. Just seems so very very odd. The guy that caused the fall of the last tower is invisible to Zombies. Just feels forced. Like he had to be awesome because the fans wanted him to be.
I like the way the symbols are turning out. They hit on that he had to know something. I think it was Elisa that has that theroy. The one where he tat'd himself up with a bunch of stuff hoping one would stick. If so.... High Five! You're awesome. I will have to so back and look at the thread and give ya rep for it.
I liked the way Dunbar felt like a family. Kelly being the 'Fun Aunt' and Pegs being the 'Responsible Aunt'. Was nice and fun.
Holy Crap the Haze and The Bodies. Maybe that is why Tanya's levels have been going nuts. I know that doesn't explain Saul, but it is just an idea. Wonder if the small amount of gas they put off jacked with her levels. It just wasn't enough haze to bother people yet. Her being away from the bodies for a few days allowed it to drop. Just a rough idea.
The Pegs is such a Care Bear ...
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Na, there is an even better song to play at such occasions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp0k72UA5Dk
What a classic. Haha.
This might have made him enjoy the torture more...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgzGwKwLmgM
One thing that came to mind: If a zombie jumped out at attacked Tardust while being dragged, how would Riley and Burt be able to stop it, if they were driving? unless someone was ready....
Longer and a far more concentrated dose.
To be honest, when they came up with B&R driving, and then it revealed they had Tardust running behind the jeep, i suddenly wished they had been playing "Eye of the Tiger" on the radio in the background.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btPJPFnesV4
Not only would that have been funny, but it fit's both Burt and Riley's personality. In addition it would have added an additional amount of psychological aspect to the torture for tardust.
OK, quite a lot to bite into in this episode, where to begin....?
I loved the comedy at Dunbar, CJ's crazy surveillance and her casual lack of understanding that some people might not like being spied on 24/7, had me in stitches. And Kelly playing the "cool aunt" role complete with "shot, shot shot!" chant...pure gold.
And I love Pegs, but she does make me facepalm a lot. Whether because she's being the stick in the mud who won't let Hope drink or her line about "When Michael says he wants to be alone, I just know it means he needs to talk." That makes me feel sorry for the guy, it really does.
Now onto more serious matters:
Haze in the Mortuary.
So Tanya seems to be through the woods when it comes to infection (although I know I can't be the only one who thought she was about to turn when she had to go back into the mortuary to get her notes. Always a bad sign when information is about to be delivered but has to be stalled.) But she is still showing signs of immunity. I really don't know what to make of all this other than what we've already learned.
The other interesting thing is that the haze seems to comes from the decomposing zombie corpses (or maybe the gas gets trapped in the zombies and then slowly leeches back out after they die?) I wonder, maybe the zombies aren't a new phenomenon. What if there have been outbreaks in the distant past, followed by lots of zombie corpses getting trapped underground, releasing gas as they decompose, then the gas gets suddenly released thousands of years later and we get a new outbreak. OK maybe that deserves a :tinfoil:
Alright and now for the final topic brought up in the episode:
The ethical treatment of prisoners (or lack thereof) by Riley and Burt.
I've always been a big fan of Riley, but I've said before that I don't like the path she's going down, and I still don't. Sure, their treatment of Tardust wasn't as bad as it could have been (as far as we know he still has all his appendages), but threatening to road haul the guy isn't something I can condone. Especially since I still don't think he was trying to hide anything and as someone else said I think the cabin was a last ditch hail mary on his part to save himself. And I wonder, if he hadn't thought of the cabin, what would Riley and Burt have done? I like to hope that the "just keep going and drag him" stuff was a bluff since not only would it have been well beyond the Moral Event Horizon, but also because it wouldn't have served their purpose of getting information. But the tone in Riley's voice makes me wonder if she isn't close to going completely off the deep end.
I don't think any of this bodes well for Riley and Burt's future in the series. Going down this kind of dark path is a good way to coax karma into taking a big bite out of your ass, and I have a feeling that whatever they find in the cabin isn't going to end well for at least one of them.
As it appears to take some time, what about 10 hrs of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1Kc-fAVrXw
Or, as an alternative:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCBASt507WA