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I feel bad for skeptics.
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Think it can be funny that some fairly ignorant people at still out there that think it isn't happening, even with the evidence presented. Ah well, just hope it doesn't get too out of hand. I do my part. Mostly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
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Originally Posted by Gooer
That's really the point isn't it? Whether or not it's real (though it certainly is), what is so hard about simply doing your part to not cause a strain on your own little part of the world? I can't fathom people's staunch refusal to leave a better world for the next generation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWT-EWKIR3M
I can't believe Marc Morano (Moron?) supports fracking.
Ew, Piers Morgan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
Also, most ways to cut CO2 emissions, funnily enough, also saves money for them, so what's the harm? Even if the slim chance that global warming isn't real, we are still using up the last of the non-renewable sources of fuel, so what's the harm in cutting down a little so they can last just another few years?
I would think the answer to that is painfully obvious: profit. There's money to be had, doesn't matter what it costs the future.
This doesn't apply to me. Chicago is always cold. :D
Curse you, Chicagonian!
Turbo, until it's hot. Remember July 4th last year?
Thankfully there are absolutely no repercussions to all of it!
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/20...tudy_says.html
Look on the bright side. Now we can easily get to all that oil under the ice shelves. I think it is high time we brought democracy to those penguins and polar bears.
MURICA!
Penguins have been oppressed. They may also have oil. Or terror. Aren't penguins being terrorized by whales? Fuckin' whales! FREEDOM!
Kidding aside though, I couldn't pin all the blame on America. Every country on the planet is to blame for this mess. Except for Canada.
Seems some people seem to act that because they cannot see anything happening now, as scientists say it will take years to take effect, that nothing will happen now, so nothing needs to be done.
So we're surrounded by ostriches? Is that even a word?
I believe in it. I live in New Mexico and we got SNOW today!! This time of year we are usually battling 80-100 degree weather...
i feel bad for the Dinosaurs and their SUVs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
LMAO that was hilarious
I will just start with I believe Climate Change is a real issue and that man does play a role in it. Man however is not sole reason and we need to accept that some climate change is natural. These are not separate issues so why leave out a variable. I just wish that 2 things would get solved; one being regulation is not a magical fix but rather an excuse to find loopholes or excuses to come up with the money making ventures like Carbon Credits; two is, and I'm not sure if it is the same in other countries but, if meteorologists are not capable of telling us what the weather is going to be in a week then how reliable are any studies on weather or climate when weather prediction is essentially educated guess work. The weather prediction issue really drives me crazy regardless of how much it plays a role in climate study. I just hope we don't start trying to control the weather on a mass scale like what China did for the Olympics.
I think part of the reason it keeps coming up is because of the severity. They're trying to scale things in a way that people might actually take notice. Storms get stronger, damage becomes more catastrophic, strain on the economy, and hardship for the many.
Climate change takes place. That's that. The reasons for this: heavy and increasing industries (since 150 years now) as well as cutting down the giant forests all over the world - not only in South America and Africa, but also in the USA, Canda, Russia, Skandinavian countries and shit ...It is a huge picture, which also includes consumer idiocy as well as sacrificing the understanding that it cannot go on like this.
This picture speaks for itself:
in Ohio the saying "if you don't like the weather, just wait 5 minutes" is completely true.
Solar Activity is one HUGE thing that comes into play. it ebbs and flows and affects us.
and the earth is a crazy place. life has a way of adapting and shifting and being awesomely destructive and yet sustain in amazing ways.
call me the Odd Man Out, but i don't like the government in my business, but personal responsibility needs to come into play with everything.
I forgot to mention the natural causes as well. They are part of the big picture, too. But in my understanding there is not just this one reason behind the changes in climate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Footbutt
Climate (and weather) is (or are) very complex creatures of madness. And certainly any simplification by basing changes in climate on just one or a few major reasons is next to being ignorant about it all.
But that's just my 2c about it.
I recently read an article about Germany's switch to solar energy in an effort to back away from nuclear power. I have to admit, it made me feel good about being on this planet for the first time in a long, long time. Not that my day to day life drags me down, but the idea that we're so locked into either fossil fuel or nuclear power really does bring me down. This morning I read an article (days after the previous report of Germany decimating everyone on the planet in power generation) that touts the US as being the biggest solar power giant... by the end of the year. I was immediately struck at the competitiveness, and again... it felt shitty. A few minutes after I finished the article, I fell into a click-trance of coffee and pictures of cats lying on books, when I came across a third article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...e-economy.html
Profit. Is it always going to boil down to profit? You don't need to supplement the days when your energy production is lower with coal plants. You just need to share your energy production with the person living next to you. It seems so easy to shift to solar, and plug your neighbour in. Share the energy coming from the sun. Nobody owns the sun. None of us have a problem with being connected through the internet, do we? Why not approach solar power the same way? Everyone is connected. Everyone benefits (except North Korea, fuck those dicks). The only reason we're locked into this cycle is greed, and it's disheartening. We need to stop putting value on pieces of paper and come to terms with the fact we're all here together. We're all human beings.
The rant may be a little left of the target, but god dammit people, we have to start fixing this shit somehow. The problems aren't going away, we can't just ignore it and leave it for someone else.
Nice little report i found today...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-27435624
I can't believe fracking is still being lobbied about as an option for the future.
But..... It's the way forward to rape our planet and make it less inhabitable for the next generations!
Probably why that one way trip to Mars is sounding better every day.
Wonder what would happen if the modern renewable sources were looked into more early (obviously we've had renewable sources for millennia, mean like solar panels nd shit). Would we be more advanced or about the same?
Germany's eco-politics is totall f*cked up. Solar-Power could be an option, if they really cared, but instead they invest in old-fashioned solar-stations that are limitless pointless in the cocktail of different power-solutions. Wind-Energy is totally hyped, but in order to build the Wind Power plants the involved partys of local, regional, and federal politics plus the companys take down huge forests and even nature-sanctuaries, because the companies being involved try to milk the system - and the ones paying for it twice are the people paying the higher power-rates as well as paying taxes being poured into the wallets of the companies. Pure madness. This is only about the money, nothing else.
The right policy would be to consider strategies to reduce the hunger for power (energy); but in an economic system mostly based on consumption such policys are not accepted.
I am not certain if colonizing Mars would be an option; actually Mars looks pretty much like the future face of Earth ...
Best wishes!
Liam
I would not say that German eco politics are totally fucked up. It is quite right that there are plenty ways of optimization but I guess it is valid to state that we have come a long way here in Germany. Due to its federal structure, we have seen an intense discussion among the federal states about promotion of economic development - whether there should be more wind, solar, water energy and so on. This will take some time for sure. As a side note - we will not make it on our own. Germany will need to take more action towards an European approach. However, it will take some time (I am repeating myself) again.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
My three main complaints about eco polictics are:
1) Germany's Green party - or the big communication disaster. They - in my opinion - used and still use to teach the condescendingly from above. A "we can be better than this, we will benefit from this technological improvement" is always better than "Oh! What! Have! You! Done! We will make it much more expensive for you because we do not what you to <insert environmental sin here>." Though this creates publicity, people tend to react negative to it because it appears to make their lives more complicated - simply put.
2) People themselves are Janus-faced. A lot of week-end environmentalists like to drive an SUV - even here in Germany because it is a nice cosy thing. And these people vote the eco politicians they tend to blame for bad eco politics. (I like to emphasize that I am NOT looking at you Liam, just at society in general)
3) We have to realize there we are still at the beginning of the next technological revolution. This means, we have to except that we will stumble into some blind alleys along the way. We still have to find solutions to better store and distribute energy during day- and nighttime. This requires a change in our mindset. Be more fault tolerant. In the end, Mr Adam Smith, with the right technology, each revolution grants a lot of different ways to yield a profit. That is a valid point too.
Fracking is still being presented as a viable option because it’s an easier sell to the average person. If you tell a person that they can keep doing more or less what they are doing now with little change they are going to be easier to convince then telling them you have to change your whole infrastructure ASAP. A company that used to produce and manufacture crude into various grades can modify their equipment (granted it is still a million dollar venture) to accept gas. That is not the case with wind or solar.
The companies that are trying to sell fracking to the municipalities are not going to the large or affluent cities because they know they will get more pushback. They are going to the towns that are scrapping, have lost the majority of their industry and need another income source. This has been the case in Upstate New York and Pennsylvania in recent years and it still surprises me how it is considered a “hot button issue.”
When the companies go in they want to “lease” farmers land so they can get access to the shale below and you can continue growing your crops and we send you a check. Everyone wins right? Except when something goes inevitable goes wrong and suddenly, you can’t water your crops because your ground water has high levels of chemicals in it or your friendly neighborhood corporation fractured the bedrock in your area and now you have unstable bedrock below your house. Oh and BTW you leased out use your land so you can’t go after Frack company for losses.
