Who's The Rat?

Ok, I know there's been a lot of talk about who the rat, snitch, mole, call it whatever you will.

But who do you think told the "Mallers" about the details of the Tower, and about the people inside it.

Remember that Scratch knew that Micheal had a broken arm, and they knew about their ammo shortage.

wtf, who thinks pegs or burt is the leak? why? and dont you dare say angel

I chose Kalani because he was the new guy. And for all we know he could have been a maller who was captured.

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Originally Posted by sdkmcqueen

I chose Kalani because he was the new guy. And for all we know he could have been a maller who was captured.

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I honestly haven't thought of it that way. I like it.

Maybe...just maybe, the mallers abandoned him, and he has secretly wanted to get back at them, and maybe he fired the first shot?

That might explain why he didn't want Angel to put the body back so bad.

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Originally Posted by Ra1th

wtf, who thinks pegs or burt is the leak? why? and dont you dare say angel

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I could tell you who voted for Pegs, but I shouldn't, its confidential and it wasn't me, I voted for Saul.

Kalani wasn't there long enough to recon the building and know about the ammo. He sure as hell wasn't going up and down all those stairs considering his shape. Kelly is the only one with the motivation. She doesn't like Michael, tried to leave..and she's a LAWYER!! No moral compass there.
Bill may have been the one to fire the first shot, and the one to steal the ammo, but he wasn't around enough to really be hip to Michael's condition. He wanted to be left alone and I don't see him calling MORE people into his building.
Burt has a hard on for the Mallers because they broke into his place, so I don't see him as the mole.

HA HA... I voted for Pegs. I rule!

It was Saul, Dammit!

How could it be saul? He was shitfaced with lizzy when the stuff was going down. I still dont know why bill hid the ammo, so he is a viable option. Kelly's nephew (Cant remember his name), could have been the rat. He died in the attack and was mysteriously absent from the radio. Food for thought?

Damn no one likes Kalani haha

I voted for Angel. I did this in protest of the fact that there is no option for "random bastard."

I don't want to believe it was anyone on the list. And until it is made absolutely clear for me via the podcast, i refuse to think otherwise.

[ok, i kinda think bill did it, but shhhhhhh.... don't tell anyone.]

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Originally Posted by hollomandious

i voted for angel. I did this in protest of the fact that there is no option for "random bastard."

i don't want to believe it was anyone on the list. And until it is made absolutely clear for me via the podcast, i refuse to think otherwise.

[ok, i kinda think bill did it, but shhhhhhh.... Don't tell anyone.]

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then why'd u blame aangell???

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Originally Posted by Wicked Sid

It was Saul, Dammit!

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why is it saul?

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Originally Posted by Ra1th

then why'd u blame aangell???

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In protest.

Comon, KC voted for Pegs. [man, i hope he was joking.]

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Originally Posted by Hollomandious

In protest.

Comon, KC voted for Pegs. [man, i hope he was joking.]

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hahaha i didnt see it till after i'd double posted hahaaha, pegs is harmless, and whiny as hell

ROFL@ "No Random Bastard" I'm with you Hollomandious.

It was Angel, he's got a relationship with the Mallers

Ra1th,

Pegs being helpless is probably the reason it's her. She's not stupid, but she IS stupid if you get my drift. She's untainted (she was at least) and probably thinks that calling the mallers gives them strength in numbers. i've expanded this theory a few times, so i won't beat the decaying horse.

I'm gonna say Kelly.

Just for my random vote..... and I think she did it. Have no idea why

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Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel

Ra1th,

Pegs being helpless is probably the reason it's her. She's not stupid, but she IS stupid if you get my drift. She's untainted (she was at least) and probably thinks that calling the mallers gives them strength in numbers. i've expanded this theory a few times, so i won't beat the decaying horse.

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see heres the thing tho, although i could TOTALLY see pegs being naive/dumb enough to believe that, i dont see her as a capable enough a liar to hold up a facade saying she's innocent, she's not really sneaky, or underhanded, she's like a child, ussually after she makes a mistake she'll go cry about it. Besides during the interchange between her and durai, durai didnt know her name, until scratch told her, and i can see an argument saying that durai could be lying but that overcopmlicates things imo

Ra1th,

I see your point as well. I'm just shooting theories out there. Personally, I think it's Kelly. That's if it HAS to be one of the well known people. I'm more inclinded to say its just some fool they picked up. If it was one of the top 6/7, why are they STILL there? Why didn't they slip out during the confusion?

~Sauls my Wingman~

There is one thing that has been tugging at my nose hairs. Durai shot out the cameras. How did he know where they were? I only ask that, because in my imagination, i see really small jury rigged cameras. Ones that aren't really visible by anyone just looking up from the ground... On the other hand, if they were some big joints with lights, then disregard my entire damn question. LOL

Sorry, I totally should have done a Random Bastard option.

I can just guess how much KC is enjoying seeing all this.

I bet he has the biggest grim on his face XD

LOL.. he gets to play God! Wait! Hold up? You created this poll, not KC??? Now i'm feeling like Vinny Barbarino *I'm so confused* that may be before your time, sorry. ROFL!

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Originally Posted by StepLaugh

Sorry, I totally should have done a Random Bastard option.

I can just guess how much KC is enjoying seeing all this.

I bet he has the biggest grim on his face XD

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Hee hee Hee.

I think the rat is Kelly. She was spiteful and was causing a problem(s) at the time. It wasn't until after Tommy died that her attitude changed.

NOW, who do I want it too be; Kalani, so he can finally be off the show.

I'm surprised at how many people think Angel is the "rat"

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Originally Posted by StepLaugh

I'm surprised at how many people think Angel is the "rat"

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Well, one of those votes is BS. [mine]

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Originally Posted by hardrocknguy

I think the rat is Kelly. She was spiteful and was causing a problem(s) at the time. It wasn't until after Tommy died that her attitude changed.

NOW, who do I want it too be; Kalani, so he can finally be off the show.

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Agreed. IMHO Kelly apears to have a disproportionate amount of guilt for Tommy's death. I wouldnt have this feeling if she blamed the leaders for his death and showed some anger towards them. Instead she is solemn and reserved as if to say she doesn't blame them at all. She even was the first to step-up to take care of Saul (remember she was the one who wanted to throw out Tommy for hoarding the gluton free food). Add in that she suddenly agreed with Michael just before the Mallers arrived, as if to placate him, and it just seems evident that she:

1. Told the Mallers what they wanted to know (hence the lack of detail regarding Pegs)
2. Was promised something (protection for her and Tommy)
3. Had no idea that this would result in violence and didn't think through her actions
4. Holds her herself accountable for Tommy's death and Saul's injury.

I can't see how it could be anyone other than an unknown person (maybe a Maller plant?)

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Originally Posted by Adogg

Agreed. IMHO Kelly apears to have a disproportionate amount of guilt for Tommy's death. I wouldnt have this feeling if she blamed the leaders for his death and showed some anger towards them. Instead she is solemn and reserved as if to say she doesn't blame them at all. She even was the first to step-up to take care of Saul (remember she was the one who wanted to throw out Tommy for hoarding the gluton free food). Add in that she suddenly agreed with Michael just before the Mallers arrived, as if to placate him, and it just seems evident that she:

1. Told the Mallers what they wanted to know (hence the lack of detail regarding Pegs)
2. Was promised something (protection for her and Tommy)
3. Had no idea that this would result in violence and didn't think through her actions
4. Holds her herself accountable for Tommy's death and Saul's injury.

I can't see how it could be anyone other than an unknown person (maybe a Maller plant?)

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After you saying all of this you make a STRONG point for kelly to be the mole. You now have me convinced.

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Originally Posted by Ra1th

wtf, who thinks pegs or burt is the leak? why? and dont you dare say angel

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LOL I voted for Burt. My theory is basically that Burt never liked Michael being in charge. How better to get the tower to not trust Michael anymore than show his weaknesses. Just a theory. (do you think KC looks at these and laughs lol)

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Originally Posted by They call me Revolver

LOL I voted for Burt. My theory is basically that Burt never liked Michael being in charge. How better to get the tower to not trust Michael anymore than show his weaknesses. Just a theory. (do you think KC looks at these and laughs lol)

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I would if i knew who it was

I think this is one of the big mysteries on the show. Along with some people's past, and Ink.

What are some other theories?

Might get another thread going?

Team Kelly FTW!

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Originally Posted by Adogg

Agreed. IMHO Kelly apears to have a disproportionate amount of guilt for Tommy's death. I wouldnt have this feeling if she blamed the leaders for his death and showed some anger towards them. Instead she is solemn and reserved as if to say she doesn't blame them at all. She even was the first to step-up to take care of Saul (remember she was the one who wanted to throw out Tommy for hoarding the gluton free food). Add in that she suddenly agreed with Michael just before the Mallers arrived, as if to placate him, and it just seems evident that she:

1. Told the Mallers what they wanted to know (hence the lack of detail regarding Pegs)
2. Was promised something (protection for her and Tommy)
3. Had no idea that this would result in violence and didn't think through her actions
4. Holds her herself accountable for Tommy's death and Saul's injury.

I can't see how it could be anyone other than an unknown person (maybe a Maller plant?)

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That's one helluva case. I vote Kelly too. Who else bets she'll try and atone for it somehow at the Colony?

It's surprising lots of people are voting Kalani, since he really didn't have time enough to betray them, and no motive either. And, for the record, I buy the story about him as a pilot.

I on the other hand don't really buy him as a pilot. I could have been in the LA area for the whole time if he's making it up. I think he has an end goal.

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Originally Posted by StepLaugh

I on the other hand don't really buy him as a pilot. I could have been in the LA area for the whole time if he's making it up. I think he has an end goal.

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But what possible end could lieing about that do? It's not like anyone was gonna go to Hawaii. Or overall, it doesn't really matter how much worse it is elsewhere, cause they aren't there. And during the boat incident we found that water isn't really a perfect barricade.

I just think he has an annoying personality. But it is, what makes him him. And there's always gotta be at least 1 doosh around at any given time.

I chose Datu.

For the longest time, I would swear by Kelly. She makes the most sense overall to me. But two things changed my mind: I relistened to The War chapter, and the person who first defends the Tower as a weaponless resident is Kelly. She is the first person to throw a couch over the balcony. She's trying to defend their home. I also keyed on Jim Gleason's reasons why Datu survived (thematically) in the stadium as stated on the We're Not Dead podcast. Datu has a never say die attitude and it serves him well. He survives because he has faith that he will. Samantha's fatalist approach to her situation lends to her destruction.

Since the encounter at the Stadium, Datu has adopted the fatalist stance (and become an insufferable annoyance). He's also got severe survivors guilt. When he returned to the Tower, he was crushed and couldn't care less. And he's the only one we never heard at the party.

Can't you just see him talking to the Mallers on the radio, depressed and choking up wanting them to come in and end his misery? He can hear the merriment of the party and it just grinds on his last nerve. Why can't he and Samantha be up there having fun? Then he gets more pissed that they aren't coming in to kill him fast enough so he fires off the first rounds to make them come faster.

So call me/it crazy, but I call Datu trying commit suicide by Maller.

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

I chose Datu.

For the longest time, I would swear by Kelly. She makes the most sense overall to me. But two things changed my mind: I relistened to The War chapter, and the person who first defends the Tower as a weaponless resident is Kelly. She is the first person to throw a couch over the balcony. She's trying to defend their home. I also keyed on Jim Gleason's reasons why Datu survived (thematically) in the stadium as stated on the We're Not Dead podcast. Datu has a never say die attitude and it serves him well. He survives because he has faith that he will. Samantha's fatalist approach to her situation lends to her destruction.

Since the encounter at the Stadium, Datu has adopted the fatalist stance (and become an insufferable annoyance). He's also got severe survivors guilt. When he returned to the Tower, he was crushed and couldn't care less. And he's the only one we never heard at the party.

Can't you just see him talking to the Mallers on the radio, depressed and choking up wanting them to come in and end his misery? He can hear the merriment of the party and it just grinds on his last nerve. Why can't he and Samantha be up there having fun? Then he gets more pissed that they aren't coming in to kill him fast enough so he fires off the first rounds to make them come faster.

So call me/it crazy, but I call Datu trying commit suicide by Maller.

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ohmygod that is brilliant, i mean of all the arguments i've heard so far, and i think i've heard damn near ALL of them, not a single character seemed to have a proper motive to call in the mallers, i mean sure kelly is a class A bitch, and its possible she contacted the mallers but, it just doesnt seem to fit together all that well, same with Burt, it couldnt have been burt, he fought tooth and nail for the tower. Kalani seems possible but once again not enough motive, unless he's not who we think he is at all, so maybe kalani, BUT THIS argument, is possibly the best one i've heard! Datu was not at the party, this could easily be a case of the pressures of the zombie apocalypse being too much for him to handle.

and on top of everything i HATE datu, so this would be awesome! he'd be a traitor, no one would like him, he'd prly die a terrible death, and we wont have to listen to his bitching about life not being fair anymore. Datu just moved to the top of my traitor list!

i love where this thread is going
all your theories just draw me in more

I voted for Kelly, It's probably just because I just don't like her, I was torn between voting for her or Kalani because when Kalani showed up thats when the everything went to hell so I'm guessing he was a maller that was captured.