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The Circle of Life.....it moves us all.
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End of a chapter....you must have thoughts! So you know th drill: share thoughts here, we'll forget your name but share it on air.
The Circle of Life.....it moves us all.
I think I'm the only person that sees an Empire Strikes Back moment in the future for Riley. The moment she discovers her beloved Angel is the long-lost cousin of her mortal enemy. I can almost hear the John Williams score rising over her cries of "Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooo"
Edit*
First.
It was a deep chapter. A lot to take in. CJ may have just gone to far, and from the sounds of it, if Saul and Victor do have to live in Dunbar, it's damn strong! Take the core group with them, and they'll fortify it even more...what if Scratch is holding up in Dunbar since she knows everyone is at the colony(assuming she knows where the tower is)
I don't recall hearing Mikey give an answer. I can't see him standing by and letting CJ kick Saul and Victor out of the colony. Fuck that. She's gone cray.Quote:
Originally Posted by turbo
He didn't. The whole next chapter is going to be intense. If he works with CJ, he may be able to talk her into letting them stay. They are strong, smart, and good to have around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
I could see that happening, mainly because he want's to move forward and attack, and he will see staying at the colony as settling maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
Haha, I'll second that.
Although, could you see him growing an attraction to CJ?
Stumpy? Nah. He's into chicks with two legs. Like Nurse Britt.Quote:
Originally Posted by turbo
That said, I'd totally go for CJ.
Sans panties.Quote:
Originally Posted by turbo
Naaaaaaaaaaaaughty
Really puttin' that nurse Britt theory to the test, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
I have no idea what you mean by that? I was just bringing up a theory about Nurse Britt. That's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Just joking about the best way to catch britt's attention is to mention nurse britt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
Oh so bonus question for wnd #57: what is the worst lie you've told to a close friend?
I mean, answering that would incriminate me. I think my favourite lie was "I will absolutely not date your sister, bro. Not never."Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Also, I'm pretty sure that she just searches the keyword "Britt" and goes from there.
Searches the site or google?Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
I don't know. Britt doesn't strike me as the type to google herself.Quote:
Originally Posted by turbo
after listening again, I have a feeling the its not gonna be as big of an issue as we might be thinking... I think Michael will work out a deal once he finds out about Saul and victor.she runs the colony and he runs the combat side working out of Dunbar. that's the only reason she would need him is for the military side of things.
as far Burt and Riley, I see them going at it alone, and sadly I don't see them both coming back from the attack on Scratch.. I have a feeling we might lose Burt in the fight...and possibly a captured Riley... I don't see Scratch going down by the duo...she has too much vested in the overall series and connections to too many other characters. I see Scratch going down in a battle. with several original. characters, not just two..I also see her getting at least one, if not two more character kills in....
and just for shits and giggles, what if scratch gets captured by TOWTM and becomes zombifide super scratch? would be a match made in hell, both evil and both with unique. facial. features..
CJ is emotionally compromised. Even though I agree with ReZombie that it would be good for Saul and Victor be part of a military operation based out of Dunbar as part of a compromise Mikey could make I just don't see how she is emotionally willing to listen to reason regarding them. Plus how are they suppose to leave without telling anyone why?
Lizzy and Tanya won't be willing to stay if Saul is kicked out unless he somehow convinces them that it is only temporary. Which makes me think that if they are booted, Victor, Saul, Burt and Riley go hunting for Scratch. If Scratch and the mallers are dead she might get them back in. Or more likely, Saul needing serious medical attention after fighting scratch.
Nurse Britt is hiding out at the Live Fire TOC on Goat Mountain, way off on the north side of the Fort Irwin reservation. It has air-conditioned buildings, generators, and it's kept stocked with fuel and water. I seem to remember leaving a stockpile of frozen Buffalo Wings when I was last there, along with a supply of bourbon. That was more than 20 years ago, but I'm guessing they're still there and still good. All she has to do is wait for dark and fire up the enormous "Bat Signal", which Michael is sure to see from LA.
If the gang splits up I hope that Kelly stays at the Colony as Michael's agent. If anyone is going to be able to counter the lies that were told about Michael from their first visit it will be Kelly...she was a witness to what happened, she's shown that she can be persuasive, and she probably still has connections among the laundry crew (always the biggest gossips in my experience). She'd be perfectly positioned to get Michael's side of the story out, and maybe sow some doubts about the new regime.
Nothing we've heard about Dunbar Apartments makes me think it would be a suitable base for the helicopter. Unless there's a landing space on the roof there would be no way to protect it from inside the Tower. And once it flies there you can say goodbye to any chance of keeping the location of Dunbar a secret. Though I guess it's only really a secret from Scratch now.
We do know of one place that's ideal for landing a chopper on, the helipad on the roof of Cain General Hospital. I'll bet there's also a helipad on the roof of Radon Labs; if only we knew where to find a dead Smart One with a Level 3 Radon Labs Security Pass clipped to its belt!
If Michael finds out about it, I don't think Saul will let him act it until the baby is born. Saul will ask Michael to play along so that his family can remain in the relative safety of the colony while they secure Dunbar.
Ever since Grognaurd (forgive me if I butchered that spelling please) mentioned Michael's PTSD, I've been noticing little things.
For example in this episode - nicknames.
Saul is finally at that comfortable point with Victor that he can call him Vic (as he did in this episode) and Victor reponds normally.
But Victor tried to speak casually to Michael by calling him Mike or Mikey (listened three times, couldn't hear which one) and Michael is quick to snap, "Don't call me that." As an added note, Michael doesn't even let Saul nickname him.
Edit: Also loving the jab about forgetting your name but quoting you anyway, Nik. :cool:
Saul, Vic, Mikey, Tanya, Hope... Screw that, all from Fort Irwin goes to Dunbar.
Colony falls since Ink and his amigos will attack right when the chopper flies towards LA. It's going to be Irwin V2.0.
I'm just waiting for Skittles to return. The crazy folks are aaalwaaayyys important! He'll probably turn out to be Hope's father, and him and Datu will spend the rest of the season arguing who of them shall play the mother's role... (I promise you, that's what's gonna happen!)
I wrote up a pretty lengthy set of thoughts on 37-3 over in the episode thread: http://www.zombiepodcast.com/forum/s...of-Power/page8
Key points
I see a key split happening in the immediate future:
To Dunbar: Saul, Victor, Michael, Puck, Carl, Muldoon, and Robbins
Stay in the Colony: CJ, Pegs, Kelly, Glenn and Colony crew, Burt and Riley
To be determined (either Dunbar or Colony)
Tanya, Datu, and Hope - Tanya wil be torn between Saul/Baby and the patients of the Colony (including CJ). Datu will want to go with Michael but will not want Hope to go into danger - Datu will not leave Hope.
The helicopter - no good way to take it back up into LA but no desire to leave it in the Colony. May go, like someone else put it earlier, to LAX. But that may mean leaving it unattended for long stretches of time.
Burt and Riley will stay at the Colony for now since Pegs is there. Burt knows full well that Scratch wants Pegs. So Burt and Riley will hatch a plan to stick close to her and maybe even find a way to use her as bait. I don't think that Burt is ready to make a berserker rush out into zombieland to chase down Scratch without having a clue where she is. Wait for her to come to them....
In the discussion about who goes where and who goes with whom, the real wildcard is TOWTM. If he sets up an attack on the Colony any time soon, then most of the planning and posturing will go away (at least for a while). An attack on the Colony before Saul's week is up changes a lot of stuff...
After a couple of listens to 37-3, and going back into 37-2 as well, I just want to say that Kc is doing a great job of putting us on a roller coaster with the main characters. There is so much to love about the characters that when something comes up that is "bad" with them, I feel real emotions. I wanted to slap CJ in the face after 37-3 and knock some sense into her head. In the same way that I wanted to kick Michael in the butt in earlier episodes when he made his bonehead moves....
Saul and Lizzie are about the only ones that I feel like haven't has a "dark side" really in the show. I almost felt like he was going to when arranging the prisoner swap in Season 2, but it was all out of love for Lizzie...
In the end, I think it may play an important role in the overall story that Saul and Lizzie are the "cleanest" characters in WA.... (I just don't know how yet)
I have a funky theory about Lizzie.
I know her friends are the residents. However, she got very close to Bricks and even (albeit in a manipulative therapist kind of way) was able to get personal with Scratch.
Will this affect her loyalties to the residents of the Tower? Will it make her less eager to leave the Colony to hunt down Scratch?
Just a couple thoughts.
I don't think Michael has so much influence to have much saying in what is going on in The Colony as of now.
1) CJ made up her mind about Saul and Victor; and she won't change it.
2) If Michael wants to move to Dunbar, the soldiers won't follow him as easily, 'cause probably they stick with the idea that the civilians need protection; also I don't think that Dunbar offers a proper landing site for the helicopter. Also the soldiers have nothing or only little to do with Saul and Victor; so they are not as heavily attached to them as Michael is.
A reasonable thing they could or would do is that they establish a military base at Dunbar in order to perform military operations/ missions from that place. But would CJ play along - especially as she and her minions will do anything to keep as much guns/ weapons/ ammo at the Colony as possible?
Michael cannot challenge CJ openly; he has nearly no support from the colonists. And his (former) friends seem to be on or become loose.
I don't like the situation Michael is in. Now he is even more with his back to the wall than any time before #37 ... And he needs to make sacrifices - a lot of them.
Best wishes!
Liam
Thoughts being pulled over from the episode thread-
I think there is an interesting parallel going on between CJ and Riley right now. Both have lost loves (romantic or otherwise) in their life. But, CJ is handling it by pushing people away, and not really choosing to go after the main source of the problem, the zombies. Riley's response is more productive in my opinion, and I'm excited to see how her and Burt's storyline plays out. The ending scene is one of my absolute favorites of the series so far.
Assuming Riley and Burt do hunt down Scratch, I could see Pegs being used as a decoy to lure Scratch out into the open, but not actually participating further in any violence that may ensue. I'm throwing my hat fully in the Burt/Riley camp for the actual death-and I think they will do it together. Pretty much the same thing SCBubba said, but I think Pegs could be convinced to be the decoy willingly.
Finally, really CJ, really?! Tanya saved her life, regardless of her perception of how she wound up in that situation. I understand there is a lot psychologically that goes into losing a limb, but her behavior is unacceptable. I can't find it now, but whoever said that this is really more about the fallout from Saul turning her down than it is the lie, I completely agree. Also, I think if she doesn't sit herself down to recover, we may be seeing some nasty complications in this recovery-that wound could still get infected badly, and it sounds like Tanya's at the edge of her supplies and know-how. And that's if she's even around the colony to help CJ.
It didn't stop her from trying to get Scratch killed when she had Bricks show Durai the tape, and that was while Scratch was the only thing between her and potentially, a good bit of rape. Don't see why she'd have a change of heart now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alizée
Perhaps that is why Tanya was wanting to look up staff infection. CJ was having a little bit of a cough.Quote:
Originally Posted by EpiEpee
Scbubba: the no-brainer for me is this: if Saul and Vic leave, it will be with Lizzie and Tanya: Saul just went through hell to save Lizzie; Victor went along to help his friend (as opposed to CJ who doesn't care about anyone else and was in only for the revenge); Lizzie was not letting go of Saul's arm after reuniting with him, even with CJ dying and Burt half dead; and Tanya, well, is Saul's mother and about to become a grandma, I doubt she would even consider her duty to stay to help the Colons out. The idea of them splitting doesn't make sense at all. If Saul goes, Lizzie and Tanya are automatically out. I see your points, but I just think the ties between these characters are too strong to break, and any reason for them to split sounds like a pretext to me.
Yeah, I agree on Lizzie's feelings. I was called out for not including her over in the 37-3 Episode thread too. My intent was to put her with Saul going to Dunbar.Quote:
Originally Posted by clem131
That's what puts the pressure on Tanya. In the end, I think Lizzie and Tanya will both go with Saul. It will not be an ideal situation because the Colony at least has an infirmary and some medical supplies. But we've seen this crew work with little and less and make things happen....
So, add Lizzie to the Dunbar list and keep Tanya in the not sure but with a 75%+ probability of Dunbar...
All that being said, the discussions and emotions over the next couple of days (in WA world time, not real time) will be very interesting as we see how people come to their conclusions about which side they are on. The key being whether it is an "amicable" split between the crews where they plan to at least operate together or if it is a "cut all ties" kind of split.
And then the wildcard of zombie attack might change a lot of minds.....
I got the impression she was looking for info on Staph infections for another patient, but it's possible. S. aureus can cause a respiratory infection (pneumonia), but I suspect if she was looking for info on Staph, it was much more likely to be due to a skin or wound infection on a patient-it's a fairly major player in sepsis and other nasty disease processes that can kill people in a healthcare setting.Quote:
Originally Posted by pmchawk
Im just going to copy and paste my post in the episode discussion thread
That's the one thing about Saul and Victor leaving and pretending like it's their own choice to protect CJ. It just wont make sense, especially to those closest to them. Why would Saul randomly decide to leave right before his first child is born? It's all going to come out and quickly, that's why CJ's butthurt attitude is going to doom the colony. Michael isn't the type to bend over and take anything. He'll give CJ and the Colony a big old "Fuck You". Its not like the Colonists even like him and they've made it clear they blame Michael for everything. It seems like CJ and the Colonists are a match made in Heaven. Selfish, ignorant, unable to see the big picture. The Colony will fall, not COULD fall but WILL fall.
And after it falls, the survivors will all run to Michael at Dunbar for protection and although Michael will obviously welcome them with open arms something deep inside me hopes he just tells them to "Screw Off"
Seriously you think Lizzy is going to be OK with this? Even if Saul tries to play it off as his own plan, it wont work. "Hey Lizzy Im glad I finally found you and got to see you for a week but Im going to leave now so bye! PS I hope the delivery of our first child goes well! PEACE! IM OUTSKI!" Even Michael wouldn't believe that story. CJ may be a good planner, but she is really stupid if she thinks everything will be fine and dandy. Michael will leave and Robbins and crew will follow him (why would they stay at the colony?). If Saul goes then Lizzy and Tanya goes. If Liz and Tanya go then Hope goes along with Datu. If Victor goes than Kelly goes (sprained ankle or not, they do have a helicopter). So Bye bye military assistance and bye bye Medical assistance. This is why I think CJ and Michael will come to terms as everyone is saying and make Dunbar the FOB, its either that or the Colony will be wiped out within a month.
In any case, after listening to all this idiotic humans hating each other for various reasons I think it's time to go back to the zombies and the whole "it's time we go to them" thing.
That, or a Lady-centric episode, I am not sure.
Mr. Whiskers and Lady need to go on an adventureQuote:
Originally Posted by clem131
I do not think we will see a split. I am tired of the tinhorn DICKtator of the month club. I want the adults to stand up and rally humanity. Michael has a natural charisma that has been on display since chapter one. Each season he has gotten more comfortable and proven himself. Winning over a hostile crowd is his next test.
Driving from boulder to Ft Irwin is 1000 miles in our world, not a post Apocolyptic KC world. We had turners in the convoy when they got there, and i still think We will have turners in the colony.
Nick, please start a petition and announce it on air on the podcast.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmokeyZombified
I'm still of the mind that we will see a split, at least for some amount of time..... I agree with you about Michael's capabilities and I really want him to be the big hero guy we always love, but I'm not sure it's gonna play out like that right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
As for turners, we know it can take a while sometimes. Like you mention, we had a pretty long time lapse from Boulder to Irwin. Not sure if those turning at Irwin were first infected at Boulder or if they got infected along the way (since there were continuously new little ones in and chasing the convoy). But Amy is our key here - we know that she had a couple of days (minimum) from injury to turning (whether it was regular Zed or Little One we don't know yet). That's proof enough that someone else in the Colony may have an unreported injury..... <cue ominous music>