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A lot of Forum members think they heard Little One #1 say "We're alive" before it started saying "die, die". Could this be an indication that some element of the zombies', or at least the Little Ones' humanity has survived?
Oh yeah believe me....this one is gettin' covered! I can't wait to listen to it when I'm not walking around the streets of NYC/in a chinese restaurant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
The NYC streets actually run THROUGH chinese restaurants? that must be one wide-ass buffet line.Quote:
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Jokes aside, shorthand theories from previous threads:
Dunbar is finally mentioned to Michael. He's informed that there are some supplies there. In 36 Michael notes that they only get attacked in large numbers. All this coupled with the ongoing "CJ plans, Michael executes" mantra, and CJs impending amputation I think naturally leads to CJ planning a separation of the groups into formidable supply lines once she's coherent, running the show from her hospital hold up, defended/cared for by Tonya and Saul, necessitating Lizzy to stay for a hospital pregnancy scene, and obviously Saul can't be without his mucho macho man, Vicky. I imagine the largest group stays at the colony with the helicopter, a mid-size group enroute to Dunbar with it's pre-set defenses, and a smaller team running Recon between safe houses with the other .50 Cal if it is repaired.
This might give us a tie into the Maller storyline as they have been mentioned to know where Dunbar is, so if Scratch and Tardust made their way to Dunbar, there would another climactic scenario in Dunbar...My assumptions being at least Pegs, Riley, and Burt going to Dunbar, allowing us to have a resolve of all the ways they individually tie in to Scratch. I can't imagine Michael letting Pegs go far from him again, but Michael excels at surprises, so maybe he just lets Puck or someone else go as his watchful eye over Pegs.
Also: Polar bear cavalry
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Originally Posted by Hoff4D
After listening a few times it seems like the little one says "die, *stuttering* die..... DIE" . I don't think Scratch is very far from the Colony, her need for revenge won't let her give up on killing Burt/Pegs, she's likely in a building nearby watching, perhaps the same one the Saul, Victor and CJ used to plan their attack.
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Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
Bravo *slow clap*. CBP always delivers
Theory I started working on in the Episode thread....
I'm torn about CJ. Half of me says she's gonna have horrific leg amputation surgery (that will make the autopsy scene seem like a nice picnic) and then become Colonel CJ: Human Mastermind. The other half says that she will have horrific leg amputation surgery (see above) and then die on the table. Michael will get the blame because of the homemade chloroform. This will drive him nuts blaming himself and it will also drive a wedge between him and most of the Colonists/Mallers still around. This will cause Michael and a few of Our Heroes to depart the Colony and head for Dunbar to plan an offensive on their own. The left-behind Colonists will eventually be attacked again and a few of our friends will make it out alive to reunite with Michaels crew....
Ok. I'm really leaning toward the CJ dies and Michael gets the blame. Probably divide Michael and Saul, at least for a little while, since Saul's negative reaction to the chloroform idea was so strong.
Anyway, feel free to discuss.
and +1 for the polar bear cavalry!
Because CJ would feel so useless without being able to have legs, I can see CJ try and convince Tanya to experiment with zombie blood and her "cure" to give her enough zombie to get her legs back. I can even see Tanya say no, and CJ just contaminate herself, warning others to shoot her if it goes wrong. Would she completely turn, or would they find another way to fight INK?
(The way you say my name (Tahirih) is, Tah-hooray!)
i'd like to see how the colonists attitude towards michael will be... will the coup with gatekeeper be explained that absolves michael from all blame.. he is after all only a tiny catalyst in a plan that was already being concocted by gatekeeper & Co. So the colonists uprisal is not really Michaels fault.
Brave to CBP for the polar bear cavalry...
Cabbage Patch Challenge:
Turtle Artillery
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Extra credit, a Korean Turtle Ship, which was one of the first cannon-armed warships:
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well played.. well played!
*stands to ovate*
Hello.
As I mentioned on the episode-thread: This first episode seems to be packed with foreshadowing big time - see there.
But I have another thought ... Amy.
Amy was hurt by zombies; she only spoke of a scratch, but how true or false is this what she says? Considering the time between the initial attack on the Colony and the hours afterwards it came to my mind that Amy might have had certain "slow-turner"-qualities. So what is it that makes her "special" - or in a much broader sense: Why is it that slow turner seem to show up in the Colony more frequently than anywhere else?
Keep in mind: With Fernando and even with Tommy we had to perfect examples for quick turning; and throughout the whole show the quick turning was normal - in the beginning as well as as late as in in Boulder ... So: When was she hurt? And if she was hurt during the first attack hours ago (during chapter #36), then why did the process of her turning take so long until Tanya took care of it.
Best wishes!
Liam
Judging from some comment in the forum you would think that there is something Freudian concerning Michael and fighting zombies. After a tough days work he falls asleep for days.
1) First night of outbreak.
2) Long nap after surgery (Possibly due to anesthesia)
3) First day at Fort Irwin
4) First day back at the Colony.
A couple of people suggested that it was due to some sort of zombie proximity, but I'm guessing his Necro-Narcalepsy is just an adrenaline crash. A sort of 'OK, someone else is looking after things now' induced relaxation.
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There could be some significant lag time between contact with a Little One and turning. The soldiers at the crash sight, the survivor at the medical check point, (Tanya mentions that it was the second or third time it happened that day) and Roman a examples compared with the speed that Fernando started to change. Then again, Tommy took several minutes too. Also, Riley mentioned varying turning times from the flower shop.Quote:
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Which is true; but having several specifically mentioned victims on which the turning took a few or even more minutes does not establish a rule - at least not the general case, right? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
And the slow-turner-subject is one of the many - maybe even important - things to be discussed on the show. They became important with Tanya mentioning them; they are important with all our theories regarding Tanya, Saul, and maybe even little Henry in terms of a certain blood-type or blood-factor or genetic quality of this family-blood-line, which may have the potential to slow down, if not stop, the zeeh.factor.
We don't know, when exactly Amy was hurt - and how actually. It might have been just a few minutes before she was brought to Tanya's medical center; but it even could have been the few hours Michael mentioned, which passed between the initial zombie-attack on the Colony and the last ones being killed by the soldiers. So if the second case or something between both extremes might be true for Amy, then she could or should be considered a slow-turner. So: What would make her different from the average guy next door being either insta-deathed by zombies or turned into one in a few seconds up to minutes? And how it comes that any case of "slower" turning zombs have a direct link to The Colony?
Ok, Tommy took some more minutes, and he had nothing to do with the Colony; but is his case so obviously different from the average zombie-turning? I don't think so, because his mood and attitude changed rather quickly back then - right from the helpful young guy to an aggressive moron.
So, these things keep my mind busy right now ...
Best wishes!
Liam
Trying to recall how long Tanya's initial "slow turner" took. Was it hours or days before they put him down?
All the other examples were minutes of elapsed time, I think. Amy was probably hit in the 2nd wave (assuming - no proof) so it may have benn as little as 20 mins if she got injured right before the Little Ones went back over the wall and then got hunted down. So maybe normal turn times are from seconds to tens of minutes and slow tun times are in days....
Doesn't get us any closer to the "why" right off, but might be important.
Also, did Tanya treat the slow turner immediately or some time after the turn started? How long after? Time to go do some digging.
I isolated the clip of the little one saying "We're Alive" So everyone is listening to the same thing, It sounds like it says We're Alive to Me!
Victor heard it say We're alive so the is NO Arguing it, it is FACT!
http://podcastnerd.com/Zombies_Alive.mp3
as far as the Michael sleeping hypothesis, can we not just call a spade a spade and assert that he fell asleep because he was exhausted? dont know bout anyone else.. but that kind of happens to me after i've had a long day zombie slaying...... O.o
In the WA universe, sometimes a spade is a spade and sometimes it is an opening into the whole cause of a world wide Extinction Level Zombie event.....:DQuote:
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Very well played. Up for another one?Quote:
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Giraffe snipers. Go! :D
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ooo i want to see this one :P:cool:
well holy mother shitballs!!!
wtg cabbage!
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I bow before your awesome might, CBP! My only wish is to one day study at your feet.....
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If this helps: Tanya says, in Chapter 29 Part 3, that there were cases of people turning slowly. What usually takes minutes or seconds can take days or up to weeks. She only goes into specifics regarding one slow turner but on two occasions mentions that there were several.
Y'all are right in that there is no telling when she was infected. Questions abound.
1) According to Micheal's description, her wounds sound like they could have been scratches. Maybe bites and or blood contact works faster than scratches.
2) Maybe Inklings infect at a slower rate.
3) If the speed of infection varies because of the location of the victim ( L.A. vs Colony vs Ground Zero ) with Ground Zero having the fastest followed by LA, then why did the victims in Boulder turn with lightning speed? The Boulder victims were the farthest from the Ground Zero Hot Spot.
With Amy(edited to clarify) being in the hospital, isn't there a possibility that Tanya slipped her the cocktail that she and Saul had taken? It would serve as a control of sorts to see if its the medicine or something in the family genetics.
About Michael sleeping for long periods, each of those situations involved alot of physical and mental stress to him beforehand, which I think could justify the heavy sleep periods.
So . . . Saul gonna give CJ a transfusion or am I daydreaming?
P.S. I'm pretty sure you guys are all drunk.
Amy infection: I tought we settled that: during the autopsy Tanya notes the little one has self-inflicted wounds. They "poison" their own nails with their blood and infect with the scratches. I agree that until now, with the one exception of the slow turner who bit Tanya, we had only fast turning. Which is what made the fall of Boulder so unconvincing to me, people turning after more than 24h in a car (plus other convenient accidents). Funny enough, Amy's own slow turning makes sense now in light of the fact that slow turners were in the convoy.
I think we should discuss the absence of the "this is now" line from Michael's initial speech (plus he seem to stammer on "didn't"). It is a significant difference that sets this season apart, KC does not do things like these randomly, he usually is very deliberate and takes great care to chisel even the smallest details.
Undo my dislike for the above post.. Damn smart phone and chunky fingers. Grrrr. I agree,that the,omission of this is now should be discussed as well. It is a significant part of the narration of the story. It has been one of the welcoming constants, and now even that has changed.
cabbage patch challenge: Meerkat Infantry.
I noticed the missing "This is now" from Michael last night on a 3rd listen. Not sure what to think of that at the moment but it is pretty obvious in it's absence. I used to always think that the line "That was then. This is now" meant that he started fearing death when Z-Day happened and he saw the Zeds. The missing "this is now" in this episode has me wondering when he did start fearing death - right after Z-day because he didn't want to become a Zed, after getting involve with Pegs because he had something to live for, or after the whole ordeal that WA covers because of something we don't know of yet?Quote:
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Or, and I'm just spitballin' here, the Water Works? :tinfoil:
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Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
I rarely know what's going on but this thread is making me question my reality....
On the thought that the first zombie said "We're Alive"
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I've noted this before, and you can call me a pessimist but i simply cannot back the idea of turned Zombies being able to be "cured". There is just too much that a human being cannot recover from that a Zombie has endured. Mal-Nutrition, Brain inactivity, missing limbs! Am I the only one who can not see a way this can be "cured"?
If it did say "we're alive" my guess would be that it was referring to the Banner on the first tower that said "We're Alive". Perhaps this one recognized Michael, Victor, Saul. I would wonder though how this one could have read the banner then but its supposed maker Pinstripe couldn't read numbers to open the front door then.
Oh it's real, all right. A little too real..... :squint:Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
What hasn't been mentioned yet are Michael's ominous words just after the hunting party: "But it didn't matter now; what we faced here couldn't compare with what we faced in Boulder and Ft. Irwin... or so we thought."
This seems to indicate some greater horror yet to be encountered, something even more terrifying than hundreds of Little Ones pouring over the walls, and seems to hint at the heart of this whole epidemic. What will our heroes find when they again visit The Devil's Workshop?
I'm beginning to think that Cabbagepatch is like CJ, with a stash of EVERYTHING imaginable so he can post pictures of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch
Any thoughts on what pegs is doing since everyone else is being useful but her? We find out what everyone(hunting little ones, watching Lizzy, and working at the hospital) is doing outside of Pegs, Scratch and Tardust.
Oh, and I wonder if cabbage patch can find a navy seal seal.