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I keep wondering why no one is using any form of a melee weapon? All the hardware stores run out of crowbars, sledgehammers and shovels? They don't run out of ammo. I know everyone (world war z heads)is high on swords and such, but those things are harder to find than guns
They did use knives in the first chapter they decided to stop cuz they were afraid of the blood spray, kind of a shame those knife sounds were sweet
Jamman is right dude, remember, if that blood gets in any orifice you could get turned. Even if you don't have any open wounds, in thru the mouth, eyes or wherever.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamman39
A knife is much different than a machete, K-Tool or a crowbar. You pierce and cut from a much closer distance, so the risk is greater. Beside, Saul was the only one with a knife. There have been plenty of times on the show where the proper application of a solid piece of Steel or wood would have worked better than lead poisoning.
But they are rather impervious to pain. Recall when the Z was walking with a broken leg and Riley shot it in the other leg with the Bow and Arrow. He just kept going. Given the option, I would rather be able to pop 5 rounds of at 30 ft and aim for the head v. having to get w/in arms length and hope to hit a home run.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
Not for me they aren't. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
I'd honestly like them meet some one who is a master at throwing knives. Talk about BA. I loved bow and arrows.
a double tap to the ole bean from a few yards is always better than anything else, BUT, head shots on a moving target are pretty near impossible.. having said that, there's a lot to be said for blunt force trauma. The "Things" may not feel pain, but force doesn't need the object on the other side to feel it for it to work. Saul would be in better shape if someone in the room had a nice home made mace or Louisville slugger.
I completely forgot about the hockey sticks, that part was pretty flippin sweet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollomandious
And they did pistol whip the one and knocked him out when they were trying to put the trackers on them, so they know at least they can be knocked out with hits to the head.
Because of the risk of infection, the Zs strength and immunity to pain, they usually avoid close combat in general. However, they do use it as a last resort.
And let's be honest: if your opponent is really strong in close combat, but has nothing over range, would you get close or keep your distance? There the latter is the only answer that makes sense.
LOL@ a 100 pound sofa falling 60 feet is one hellava melee weapon! Having said that, those are weapons they used by pure chance, but not relied on.
Capt Capslock,
When noise and light discipline means your life.. yah, i'd much rather scavage carrying an ax, crowbar or sword as the primary weapon rather than a boomstick.
Mascaria is right. They can be knocked out! Which to me is more of indicative of Infected people ala "28 days later" rather than a Romero type outbreak.
Well, ranged doesn't mean guns per se: Wasn't Riley good with the bow?
It's not that hard to make a decent bow yourself. It might not be as effective as a professional hunting bow, but it'll certainly do significant damage.
Arrows are a little harder (as you need straight but strong sticks - will require some carving from larger chuncks of wood), but not impossible.
Riley could even help teach a few people the basics.
Training +- 5 tot 10 of the Tower residents to reasonable marksmen should be possible over the course of a week or two.
Datu used a chair leg... that count?
Why not XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Kc
In 18-1 Pegs has a stun gun.
That is one of my biggest questions, What would electricity do to a Z?? There has to be a police station somewhere and they would have tazers.Quote:
Originally Posted by StepLaugh
Good question!Quote:
Originally Posted by They call me Revolver
I know the human body works off of electrical impulses, but what would happen if a Z got shocked with a live wired or something. They could try and make a mote around their stronghold and put a live wire in it, and see what happens, that would be pretty cool.
Also now that you bring up a police station, I dont think we've heard any mention about an officer or a station. Might be useful.
Umm, the reason that humans are subdued by tazers is that the electrical signals that activate the muscle are replaced by about 50,000 volts (for the first few seconds), which cause the muscle to spasm immobilizing the intended target. So, I suppose that the tazer would affect a zombo the same way.Quote:
Originally Posted by They call me Revolver
A little more precisely, it adds noise to your nerve system.
Not only does that control your muscle movements, but there's a lot of other 'communication' running trough them: your senses (pain, heat, cold, touch/pressure, etc.). Because of the high voltage, the electricity will manage its way trough clothing and skin, but because of the low amperage it will not do any real damage.
However, it does add a lot of noise to the signals running trough your nerves. This renders your body unable to 'deceipher' the real messages coming from your brain. Because of this the target often faces confusion and becomes unbalanced. If the charges (roughly) have the same frequency as a human body, it'll also cause the muscles to do a lot of work in little time - the spasms you'll probably think of first. This literally causes the target to become too tired to move.
Back to the point on how it would affect zombies: pain, heat and cold don't really matter, but the muscle movements will still do their job. However, that is assuming the frequency of the Zombie's electrical signals is roughly the same as a human's. The virus could have mutated this.
Also, the confusion and disturbance of balance might or might not be affected. These three are all determined by the virus, and thus by the writers.
They can go any way they like without being inconsistent or scientifically wrong (as far as these zombies go).
I was thinking it could be a way to take out the behemoths. Hit him with the tazer, immobilize him then he's ripe for the picking. Since they don't get tired and are impervious to pain.Quote:
Originally Posted by cPT.cAPSLOCK
^^^^ nerd! XDQuote:
Originally Posted by cpt.capslock
lmao!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by StepLaugh
when did angel use a hockey stick? the arena?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollomandious
ROFL.. Step, you were so wrong for that one!
One of my points is that Melee weapons are an after thought, weapon of chance instead of a primary or back up weapon. Oh and Capt, I think Saul is the only one in the group with a Crocodile Dundee'ish knife! I'm not sure how many arrows you can make from a sofa leg. Matter of fact, how they'd even make a bow. This is LA right? Do high rises still have "Break in case of emergency" axes? LOL.
Angel left the stick. Me, i'd have kept it and shaped the inside curve with a cutting edge. One makeshift axe! Not a very strong one, but it's enough of a weapon when you don't have one. Hell, give me a BFR in a sock!
Capt. That was super thoughtful, I totally give props, no hard feeling. :D
And Crowbar can you say Scythe, that's be sooo badass!
Also yeah he used it in the area.
Don't worry Step, I got it was (mostly) a joke ;)
If I find something interesting, I tend to do some basic research on the subject, to understand how it works. A few months back I've seen someone get hit by a stungun (voluntarily, as part of a demonstration on their effect), and I had a talk with the instructor afterwards. In this case, he explained the basics to me, and I continued reading a bit at home.
@CrowBar, there must be some woodshops or Do-It-Yourself stores around town. All they need is some wood planks.
Get 3 - 7 ones that are roughly 0.5 - 1cm thick, 2 - 4cm wide and different lengths. Align the middles, get some duct tape. Then make a cut in the longest plank's ends (*).
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Find a rope (preferably a nylon string), make a knot on both ends, place each end in one of the cuts and you've got yourself a bow:
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These bows work surprisingly well, especially if you use the right wood.
Capt,
Remember, they're in LA. It's straight urban. Pawn shops, corner stores and gas stations. There are 3 Home Depots in LA and they're proabably way too far out and unsecure. They'd be better off hitting a sporting good store, Military surplus or hope Amazon.com still delivers. ROFL!
Your very last sentence is the crutch. The right wood. LA remember? Concrete Jungle. They'd have a better chance of making rock slings than making bows and arrows.
Lastly, a machine shop is noisy as fugg brother! They might as well ring the dinner bell. Their noise and light discipline is crappy as it is (Sorry KC).
but you know what? I have a couple Air Force SERE instructor and a Combat Controller working right down the hall. I'll pick their brains at lunch about makeshift weapons in an urban setting. heheh, i can't wait to see their look when I mention Zombies are the reason i'm asking.
Are you telling me that in LA there are no Do-it-yourself / hardware stores where you can buy tools (hammers, chisels, saws) and materials(wooden planks, beams/timber, and the likes) when required? I don't really believe there are none of those.
Heck, you could even get the required materials at the IKEA if you take your time
You're not dependent on anything growing outside or whatever.
Edit: looked up on Google maps, and there are several hardware stores in LA that have everything you need.
I was instructed with a slight snear and a slap on the back by a fellow SNCO to read the following:
http://www.equipped.com/21-76/ch12.pdf and http://www.equipped.com/21-76/ch8.pdf (look under killing devices)
That's the Army Survival Manual FM-21-76
You let me know if you still think you can make a bow from the wood in a home depot. My opinion only, but lumber is normally the only wood you find. Great for making arrows probably. a Bow is a bit harder. Some kind of rubber, plastic tube may work. The real question is: will there be enough force to penetrate a skull?
So, tell me how you envision making a bow, what kind of materials? I'm not trying to poopoo your idea, i'm asking for clarification.
I'm sorry, but I find it hard to clarify it further.
English isn't my native language, so I don't know some specific words - like the names of specific types or 'shapes' of wood - which I'd need. A good ol' fashioned dictionary isn't of any help either.
All I can say is that I've built some bows as a kid with materials from a local hardware store.
Also, I worked on a potato gun roughly a year ago. After swapping the large, PVC barrel with a thinner (1cm radius) steel one, I could shoot marbles at over 100km/h. They shot straight trough several sheets of wood - they'd be pretty darn lethal.
The 'control panel', a 10x20 piece of wood, had a switch and a button.
The firing mechanism involved spraying deodorant in an isolated chamber, where a small fan (connected to the switch) caused the gas to spread evenly (60mm computer fan, running on 6v instead of 12). It was ignited by a spark from a 12v car battery after pressing the button.
Everything was home-made, and anyone with a little knowledge about physics could do the same. Besides, the fan wasn't crucial, it just improved the gun's performance.
The only problem with my gun (for my use) was that it's impossible to aim - the gun I had built was positioned stationary, and aimed in a straight line down the improvised firing range.
Still, if you'd wear the car battery like a backpack it'd be very possible to create a similarly effective portable version. Using a smaller battery would work too: it'd only need to be able to give a spark, and power a fan for a few seconds if you'd add one to the construction.
The biggest problem would be the rate of fire and ammunition. Unless you raid a toy store you won't have many marbles. And to load the gun, you had to push open a little latch (opened inwards), spray the deodorant, close the door, roll down the marble trough the barrel (it stopped because of a sorta barricade at the bottom of the barrel) and only then you could fire.
Not ideal unless rate of fire is no issue.
I applaud the ingenuity regarding the hockey stick, but you'd be better off the the loaded sock. A hockey stick (presumed to be a forward's stick) located inside a professional sports arena would 99 times out of 100 be a composite stick (fiberglass/aluminum). The odds of you doing any real lasting damage swinging the stick with the intent to kill would be so low. The blades of the stick are light weight, glued in place, and would probably fly off after a hit or two, if the shaft would last that long. Hockey sticks are designed to flex so if you hit a hard enough object, it would keep flexing and just snap....at least you'd have a spear as a last ditch effort...Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
Now, if you find a goalie stick, you would have something to go with. They are thicker, and designed to take punishment. They are heavier and weighted more to be wielded as a weapon. And if you were to put a blade on the paddle's edge, you'd have a far more effective weapon. Again, it wouldn't last long and the effort to make it would make it worthless...
but it would make Casey Jones proud....much like I am proud to have actually been able to use my years of hockey knowledge in a zombie apocalypse.
LOL@ Nikvoodoo's Hockey knowledge!
Thanks for the reply too. My thing is that you can put an edge on anything given time, rough surface or fire. My thing is that any weapon is better than your hands. The rock in a sock works too with a thick enough sock or couple socks. Most of the time you don't need to kill them, you just need to create space enough to get your ass outta dodge.
Ok, so i'm talking about a time where all the bullets have been used, and until you can find more or find a replacement projectile weapon you'll have to use something else, a close range weapon. Modifications can be made on said weapon
My Melee weapon would either be:
A crowbar: its a tool, and it has a long reach.
Bowie Knife: 6 to 12 inches in length, well made and can be stored in a sheath.
Axe(fire, wood cutting ETC): good reach, can chop wood and a good weapon.
Chain saw: Yes it makes alot of noise but it cuts through zombies like a hot knife through butter.
The weight of the weapon is also a factor, and if it needs fuel. But it is a good idea to have a back-up in case your ammo runs out.
I rest my case.
well for one thing, i'm not using up all my bullets. Gotta keep one round for myself in case things get out of hand. Call it cowardice, but one flash of pain or being eaten alive? I'll take option A thank you.
But if I had to pick a melee weapon I'd prly go for a sword if I could get one, crowbar or an axe works too. But stealth is your only option. If its the WA universe the moment you're out of bullets, its all over. You'd have a small chance to run around and hide and try to skittles your way back to safety.
Chainsaw only works in l4d imo, i think the only way to go is stealth kills or long distance kills.
No bullets... I guess I'd really like an actual katana sword. I have some sword training, but finding a real heavy duty one that's battle-ready may be difficult. Most are display shits. Or maybe some type of spear... Melee weapons sound good for smashing skulls, but I'm afraid of blood spatter and getting the weapon stuck in the zombie. I'd love to use the chainsaw, but I think it's just a failure waiting to happen in the W/A zombie world.
Melee weapons I have immediate access to and would use:
- An US army surplus machete
- A Crocodile Dunee-ish "knife"
- Reserve Officer Academy knife
- A battle-ready 1400-era German knight's knife
- two crowbars, different size
- several baseball bats
All of which I can use. We also have a chainsaw in the shed, but I wouldn't use that except as a last resort. It's loud, dependant on outside power, very messy and has the risk of blowback.
Luna.. what the heck is a German Knight's Knife??? Take a picture and post that please! I'm an advocate of a large..ahem, Crowbar myself... Titanium preferably. Light weight, strong and multipurpose.
Machette are also a great weapon. I call them the AK47 of swords.