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"Scarface" was a mother? And she care? Sound like she had a boy.
Oh man. not fair. you have me feeling for SCRATCH. FOR SCRATCH! how Kc?! HOW! WHHYYYYY!!!!!???!?!!
I know :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeyd2tall
Well, i fear people will be bitching about nothing happening again, so i wanted to say i liked it.
Also, just putting it out there- Scratch should kill Pegs and her and Michael should get together. Michael seems like a guy who wont be bothered if his lover cant have children...
I find it interesting that we haven't heard from fort Erwin. I guess the rest of the season would be all our remaining heroes going tot he colony, getting everyone, and then running for the fort?
Actually, it sounded like she had an abortion.Quote:
Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper
Sadly, my feed cut out just before the end so I didn't get the cliffhanger. What happened after Glen said he could possibly fix the phone?
They need to go back tot he colony to fix it, there's a part they need from glen's shack.
Damn heavy episode. So we finally start to get some insight into Scratch's character and who she is. I still don't care how much they build her up, if it comes down to a Scratch or Pegs moment, scarface will have to go down!
And of course Lizzie's little bit of impromptu therapy got Scratch all riled up and after Burt. So now the question becomes is Burt about to go out like Angel did from a quick bullet to the skull or is Lizzie going to find out where Scratch went and interrupt?
And when Saul and Victor started talking about the satellite phone I think I facepalmed at the realization that Glen had one in his shack in The Colony. The plot lines are coming together. I can't wait to see where this one goes
I couldn't see how any one could bitch about nothing happening. We learned an absurd amount here. Like, mad. Its just a little... Unsettling to see Scratch as a sympathetic character, but ooooooh, was Lizzy getting into her head! I wonder if thats the only reason she's keeping Lizzy's kid alive. I was thinking that maybe she wants to make sure 'the family' keeps going by adoption, but letting Lizzy keep the kid made that idea less valid. But we're quickly accelerating towards Tink: First Blood, Part 2. And more Burt!
Also- was a little concerned that Kc had made Angel a rather evil person, but then realized that Riley would have probably made a comment if Angel had been castrated. :P
He need another phone so he move the guts to it. And he know where one is locate... at his shack...... at the Colony......Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Wonderful! Thanks! Fucking android...Quote:
Originally Posted by PuddleWhite
Bah, badasses over hippies i say! In this zombie wasteland, you need a woman that can gut a man trough the mouth, not one with mad flower arranging skills!Quote:
Originally Posted by HardKor
ZOMBABE!!!!!! so now we know a bit more about scratch's history. unfortunately i still have no pity for her. her actions are her own, and she is ultimately responsible. i do feel for her in the situation with her cousin, she was justified there, but everything that has happened since the outbreak is of her own doing.
glenn: i was going to say something important/
everyone else there: SHUT UP!
it's like michael all over again. more reasons to go to the colony.
Wow..... just.... wow. This was probably one of my most favorite episodes so far.
First of all, before I go with my Lit-Treatise and try to dissect the details and make hypothesis about there the story is going, I want to step back a bit an just appreciate what is being done here.
To Kc and the Cast: (the entire cast, including Grayson, the actors, and even the music people)
I've never been much of a horror fan and am not really into zombies, per se. When I first discovered We're Alive over a year ago, I thought the zombiepocalypse situation was somewhat interesting, but it would have fallen flat and dissolved into trivia and gimmicks long ago had I not been carried along into this story by the quality of the writing and of the production overall.
This story succeeds where a lot of Hollywood blockbusters fail because it is strong where they are weak: the plot is intricate and layered, the pacing is balanced and not over-reliant on superficial chase scenes and special effects, the characters are varied and nuanced and are drawn with real complexity and emotional depth, and it is all brought together and carried forth with an uncompromisingly high production quality, tasteful effects, and very competent, believable, and compelling acting. I just wanted to offer my biggest thanks and sincerest appreciation to the entire crew of We're Alive for putting together such a quality artistic product so consistently over the past several years. Not only that, but this podcast has probably done more to resurrect the dead-art of radio drama--and even surpass its previous achievements--than any other audio drama in the history of the medium.
I'm trying not to make this sound cheesy or stupidly fawning, but I can honestly say that I've gotten more entertainment value and overall satisfaction from We're Alive over the course of the past year than all the other movies, TV shows, books, podcasts, and radio shows put together; that is really an amazing achievement that I had no idea I was going to experience when I first stumbled across WA on iTunes early last summer.
I've decided to purchase the complete Season 1 and 2, (and 3 when it comes out) even though I've already listened to them many times, because this is exactly the kind of art I want to support. Even after this series is over, I get the feeling that I'll be following the name Kc Wayland on the internet for quite some time to come...
p.s. And to anyone who wants to bitch about nothing happening....
Screw you.
You're dumb.
You wouldn't know good art if it bit you in the ass.
Grow up.
Move out of your mom's basement.
Start learning how to appreciate something slightly more subtle than blood splatters, explosions, and car chases.
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Scratch doesn't want your pity, she wants your respect :DQuote:
Originally Posted by reaper239
I doubt it. I think Scratch gave the impression that she messed him up bad, in the, uh, offending region. Judging by him having a girlfriend, Scratch only vaugley recognizing him at first, and Riley not saying anything at the Stadium, I don't think he had such a scar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyhoerium
i don't respect criminals and thugs.Quote:
Originally Posted by PuddleWhite
Good point about Riley in the arena. I forgot she saw his underwhelming member!Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateer
Hrm. Now think about it, doesn't the slavish devotion to code and her dead brother kinda put away the idea that Scratch being a psychopath/sociopath?
Not to imply that crime is good in any way, but allow me to indulge my Scratch fanishness in the following rant:Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper239
It is, as we can imagine, hard for women in the crime world. For scratch in particular, it meant dealing with rape, pregnancy and abortion at the far-from-ripe age of 16, and thats just what we know for certain about her. The whole situation is made harder by the fact that ist not something she chose, she was obviously born into The Family. In the present situation, we know she can handle a crew of convicts, not an easy feat for any man, and she is no man.
On the softer side, i may remind you that the reason Lizzie remains un-raped, un-worked to death and un-tortured for information is because of Scratch?
So, i personally don't think i would have been able to grow up where she did, and even if i did, i probably wouldn't have been able to give to shits about anyone else at that point.
And i believe that everyone that achieves something extraordinary should be respected, if not loved or liked. If nothing else, if you fail to see the capacity of your enemies, that would lessen your chances against them, right?
Re: PuddleWhite:
The big question, I think everyone will agree, is /why/. She has absolutely no reason to treat Lizzie humanely other then pregger, and, eh, I don't know. She might just have a soft spot for kids.... well, unless you consider Hannah a kid. Kinda blows that idea away. And she's not only showing Lizzie's unborn son compassion, but seemed to nit be awful to Lizzie, either. And she's creepy and/or awful to /everyone/. So... Why! Damn you, Kc!
Hrm.... And with Burt, maybe she wanted to make sure Pegs killed her brother? Maybe to make sure Angel was really Angel? I've got a feeling he's gonna be an important topic at least once in the chapter.
Oh damn! Awesome episode [like always]
Ah shit Scratch has a soul and feelings?!
Osiris will never let me hear the end of this.
This episode furthers my thought that Saul will be caught somewhere in December, or go somewhere where they want his information.
"But let me go back...to November 27th."
I stand corrected, Sir. You called itQuote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Well, if we suppose that Scratch was a nice person turned bad by circumstances, the answer is obvious- she cant just turn off her shield, her facade for the world, that would jeopardize her position. So Lizzie is her vicarious window into what she really wants, the dream of meeting someone wonderful, falling in love and making a family with. Instead she is born into a dysfunctional crime family where she is raped, and later loses the ability to have a child of her own, forever.
If we suppose thats true (quite a stretch, i admit), her choice of an abortion is quite brave - if she was goig to have a child, it was going to be on her own terms, and not anyone elses.
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Originally Posted by Litmaster
Yeah, what ^ he said. Ditto that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
Don't say that. It may or may not be true, but its not constructive. If you call a troll a troll, you've called him a name, you haven't solved anything. People come here expecting a tv show, and the right way to appease them is not to call them stupid, but to show them that it isn't, and it cant be, and that its good partially because it isn't. I don't believe they are dumb, or don't know art, or are immature. They just don't know how to look at it properly.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the baby, if thats what you're getting at. What is that was supposed to signify that Lizzie couldn't read the sonogram, and ''What was wrong'', was Scratch getting chocked up, for whatever reason...
i feel you, and yes i agree, very tough upbringing, very hard to find true north after being so spun around like that, but that doesn't remove her guilt for the things she's done. i know people who grew up in criminal families, but got out. it's possible, and if anything it shows scratch's true weakness. scratch is tough as nails in a fight and can put any man down with impunity, but she didn't have the strength to remove herself from that situation. that shows a true weakness of character. now, i'm not condeming her for that, few have the intestinal fortitude to leave like that, but that doesn't absolve her of her actions before the outbreak, and especially with the dissolution of social constructs after the outbreak. she clearly had a problem with what happened to her, so once she could get away from the family, why didn't she? it would've been fairly easy for her and latch to slip away in the night, but they didn't, and that makes her culpable for everything that she set in motion, to include the death of her brother.Quote:
Originally Posted by PuddleWhite
not really, there was no devotion to her cutting up that guy like a turkey dinner just so he would take the blame for the trucks dissapearing. she's a psychopath, even if complex and driven by a cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateer
Thanks! I appreciate that. One day I promise, a tell-all book. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
God I loved hating scratch but I kinda love scratch cutting the guys nuts off! Damn, I mean if thathappened to me I'd do that and worse.
That would be a time I'd be glad I know Yarri, she could come up with something way worse then scratch or I could ever do.
Well, i will try and answer your point, but it is true, Scratch is not one of the good guys. I do, however think i can make her out to be one of the light grey guys...
So lets get to it :)
I would plead that it could have been Latch that kept her in. If i remember correctly, we know she did a crime, he got sent to jail for it, and she busted him out when the outbreak started. A somewhat unprobable, but possible scenario goes- after her crime she could have been trying to steer clear of The Family in the meantime (probably a hard thing to do with her previous record) when she gets a chance to spring her brother, whom she owes, from prison. She does, and here we have to ask ourselves, what kind of a guy Latch was. He might be Jesus reborn, but then again, it was him that tried to get Lizzie in exchange for the tanker, if you remember. Anyway, it's not inconceivable that he would want to stick to Duray, out of fear, or loyalty, or whatever, and its also probable that Scratch would not abandon him (My own brother is dumb, far more beautiful than me and does things i abhor every day. In an apocalypse though, i would never ever leave him by himself.). But then he gets killed, and Scratch wants revenge- irrational, stupid and understandable. Her only chance is sticking with the maulers, whatever they might do, be it slavery or whatever.
Of course, its a far fetched theory, born from my want for Scratch to be good more than anything else.
true, it is entirely possible that latch was the reason they stuck with the mallers, but somehow i think it was less to do with latch and more to do with a joint desire for self preservation. after springing them, scratch had the number two position in the mallers. that affords her a lot of protection, both from external threats, and from internal threats. self preservation is a powerful thing, and can drive people to do insane things. in "The Book of Eli" we're introduced to the possiblility (not for the first time) of survivors in arid climates with little food and water turning to cannabalism to survive. true it is a movie, but are we so sure that people wouldn't be driven to that extreme just to ensure their survival. and we know that such acts have occured in the past from the donner party. well here they're not worried about food as much as they are with zombies. while we may not necessarily blame her for sticking with the mallers, she must still be held accountable for her actions understandable or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by PuddleWhite
Well, i guess I hope for redemption then :)
Btw, did you know that, in the book of Eli, the reason they always checked the hands of strangers is because they were looking for shaking? Uncontrollable twitching is a symptom of Kuru, a degenerative neurological disease that you get from eating human meat. That's why both the bartender and the shopkeeper wanted to see Eli's hands and thats how he found out that the elderly couple were cannibals.
Alright, so it sounds like Scratch was heading to see Burt with Lizzy and Bricks hot on her trail. So how do you guys see this playing out when Lizzy finds out about Burt being held captive? Does she play it cool and go along with it or demand that he is let go? Will she try to use her newly gained personal info on Scratch to convince her to let him go? This is about to get really interesting!
I agree with most of that. Family is definatly important to scratch no question. Avenging Latch maybe more of family love then "the famlies". I have to agree my brother is pretty and dumb and I worry about him going anywhere alone, and he gets anything he wants, but when someone comes after him (which has happened) you have to hold me back from avenging him, and he and I have done so for each other several times. So I can definatly see why scratch wants to torture Pegs and kill her.Quote:
Originally Posted by PuddleWhite
Scratch can be irrational but she is not dumb. She doesn't have stratigical training that Michael has but she is not dumb. She does need the Mallers, she needs people to work for her, she needs intel, food, medical, and more.
But I do not see her as a "grey guy" she was bad before losing Latch.
