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3.5 Hours away from a new We're Alive installment! :omgomg::excited:
So stoked, I'm going to try and keep up on this thread! We'll see how that goes.
Screw that. I was anxiously awaiting We're Not Dead 28 but no, it's not up yet. We all know that We're Alive's purpose is only to exist so that We're Not Dead can talk about it. It's all about WND baby! :P
Seriously, I'm very anxious for the next We're Alive. I feel more confident than ever that I feel like I know what will happen next. I'm going to laugh at myself when KC surprises me.
It's not up because it wasn't recorded. It was scheduled, and then had to be canceled for reasons I'm not at liberty to discuss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
(standby jingle bells and snow....jingle bells and snow: GO!)
So maybe if you all are good boys and girls, Jolly Ol' Saint Britt and her Jolly Elf Greggy will record a double episode this week. :) (and that's me spit balling. I have no insider knowledge of what is happening with this week's episode.)
I can't wait for the new installment of we're alive
Okay so that was an interesting episode. I knew Saul was going to kick that gate to draw out who he thinks could be the Mallers. I say that because there is always the possibility that it is not Mallers who have that small orchard but rather some other group, like maybe an offshoot of the group that ran the water pumping station. That's just a random idea though and it is more than likely mallers who own this orchard.
Poor Michael. He needed that rest and I'm glad he's getting it. I want him firing on all cylinders when he speaks to the brass at Ft. Irwin, if he ever gets to.
Poor Mr. Whiskers. They just left his ass there at the site of the fallen tower. Mr. Whiskers, the caretaker of the fallen.
I'm guessing that Victor is going to come around just in time to fire a shot at the person in a hoodie. Maybe scare them away but hopefully not. I'd like them to get some info.
Call it a hunch, but I don't believe that was a maller. Perhaps we are stumbling upon another group of survivors...
good episode!
I like that hunch.Quote:
Originally Posted by TCM Revolver
Enjoyable episode. I'm really getting to like where the character of Datu (in terms of personality) is going. He's not the one dimensional fix it man he started off as. I like that he's been given a sharp sense of humor and he's been using it (and I think its a lot closer to Jay's personality too from what I've seen and heard of him).
I like Saul's basic idea for his trap....but I would have been a lot more weary when going to try to follow. Especially since the response to the alarm wasn't immediate. I know hindsight is 20/20 but when the response wasn't immediate I thought one of two things: Either whomever "owned" that land was gone/dead/whatever or they were setting a trap of their own.
This seems to be a constant issue with Saul: Comes up with an interesting idea and then finds a way to screw it up by carelessness.
When referring to the trees in the garden did Victor say that the "one's we were going to have in Memorial Park weren't going to have anything for years". I thought the name of the park in the Colony was Liberty Park?
Anyway, if this person wearing the black hoodie isn't from the Mallers, then who could they be? A group that ran the water pumping station? Oh! How bad ass would it be if Sean survived Gatekeepers assassination attempt and was living outside the colony with a small group of people?
Idea, regardless of who it was that took out saul (i assume he's not dead) lets say its someone associated with the mallers, and they take saul as a slave or hostage, what have you. Now there is reason for saul to be paired up with lizzy, at the least, to find out she's alive. What im saying is that maybe getting caught is exactly what saul needs.
Now as for victor, the mallers have no idea that he is there, except that saul was talking to him on the radio, but for all they know, victor is 2 miles away, they wont waste time trying to find him they will leave with saul.
This allows for saul to find lizzy, and to begin hatching a plan before victor, just like michael, comes rushing in and takes them by storm. (that was a reference to the water pumping station episode). Then victor saul and lizzy are paired up once again.
:mad: BOOM GOODIE BLOWS THE ROOF OFF! :mad:
I knew Nik would beat me to it but Datu's pair dropped in the new season in a major way! All the comments about Peg's were great given all the tension and build up at Irwin. As for Saul..... well at least there is Victor right? And I know it hasn't come up in a few episodes but is he done with the pic drip ?
100% right about the park reference. Could be one of two thingsQuote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
Typo...meant liberty park....oopsies!
We just learned something new 'bout victor
I'm much more inclined to believe this garden is a separate thing from all the groups we have met thus far. The mallers having a garden away from what we have known to this point as their "home turf" just doesn't seem like something they would do.
Anybody else get the feeling mr. Whiskers was trying to tell them of the approaching Zombies?...silly humans, bring the cat with you!!:)
Good episode
Yup. That was an oops on my part. I'll fix it and re-upload it at a future date. It was supposed to be Liberty Park.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
Well hang on now......is it really a mistake, or were the people in the Colony the type to play games with words? Maybe it was Memorial Park but it was too depressing so they made it Liberty park!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
Just like French fries became Freedom fries for a couple of people recently...
Dude, according to Google maps, 8th and Grand isn't that far from where the Tower was. This hidden orchard was right under the crew's nose!
Okay, so if it isn't a Maller in the hoodie, then why did the scribble on the candy wrapper come off a Maller's corpse? Or was he just some scavenger that showed up afterwards, turned, then was killed by his comrades?
or maybe victor changed the name because of the people that most likely died there.
I agree I don't think a maller would be so quiet and secretive. They're pretty direct.Quote:
Originally Posted by TCM Revolver
On another note, I walk my dog while listening. Today I got weird looks for giggling (Datu: Just because i don't put out...You were going to get lucky tonight Michael.) but, I got even weirder looks when I said, "Goddammit KC!" At the end of the chapter...I didn't think I was that loud.
definitely not a maller.
Speculation:
So what if the note on the candy wrapper or whatever is some special "secret garden" if you will amongst the maller group? By this I mean...one maller found it. Wrote the address on the scrap wrapper...used it as a quick fresh meal when out scavenging...later he dies, and the note moves on to the next maller..and so on until it lands in the hands of saul/vic..i could see that happening...honestly in a situation like this...if I was surrounded by people I knew I really couldn't trust entirely..i would keep it a secret as well
Hmmm...
Hoodie?
Maybe it was one of the Boyle Heights Boys or the Seventeens.
We don't know that the corpse they found the candy wrapper on was a Maller's corpse. It was a zombie that looked "fresh" so they assumed he turned during the battle. He could have been from another group and just been recently turned and still had the wrapper on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
I can't seem to turn my theorizing brain off today...so lets question this
How could lord of the flies relate to the w/a story?
I would guess that the note on the candy wrapper could have been something that they Mallers were going to check out or had already checked out. If this is another group of survivors and the Mallers got wind of it they would have sent someone for a look. If it was an actual Maller hide-out I am not sure that there would have needed to be a note as it would be general talked about knowledge, and it probably would have been written on better paper if he did need a note. Whereas if Maller had followed hoodie guy to an address and then wrote it down to report back, it seems reasonable that the note might still be in his pocket on a lollie wrapper which, might have been all he had in terms of paper at the time
I am also wondering if Vic and Saul left the truck near the address after setting off the alarm. All it would take is for the hoodie guy to see the 'new' truck in the area to know that they hadn't left and put him on his guard. Then he would have had time to scope out the area and to see that they were still inside and lure them out.
Otherwise I really love the balance of slightly more happening to one of our groups at a time while we are juggling the two story lines. Last couple of episodes have been minor ones for Vic and Saul but big for Michael and the gang so it is nice to have a swap.
Last point, did anyone else have visions of Forrest Gump when Michael said "And that's all I remember about that"
They could mistake a human for a biter and spear the shit out of him. Or drop a boulder on a fat kid's head.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
The theory of the secret garden where the candy wrapper passes from one person to the next doesn't work too well. At least two people had to know of the garden's existence; the guy carrying the scribble, and the person who responded to the alarm.
I'm going to go with the idea that the corpse belonged to some one from another group, a group that has been able to get around using stealth. A group that employs Skittles survival tactics. Run, hide, vanish. Be the wind! I like the stealth of this black-hoodie sporting person. Hopefully it turns out to be a girl, and her nick name will be Snake Eyes or something cool like that. NINJA!
Whoa...what if dude in the hoodie IS skittles?...
And I think the point of the secret garden analogy was missed...dude in hoodie owns/lives at/around garden...mallers go there to steal goodies...but don't wanna share with the rest of the group...alls I was trying to say...
My bad. I did misunderstand your idea. I was thinking that one dude from the Mallers group knew of of it and kept it to himself, but I see what you are saying now. If the Mallers often went there to steal it would make sense why the person in the hoodie would set up an alarm.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
I'm wondering why it took him hours to get there. Does this person in the hoodie only travel on foot? Oooh, how bad ass would it be if he was some lone teen or something, who is a student of parkour or some crazy shit. lol, I'm already getting images of an action sequence where flesh biters (the jumping kind) are chasing hoodie around roof tops and alley's.
Anyway, I'm done speculating. I can do no more but wonder. All I end up with is that this hoodie guy is like 60% likely not to be a Maller, Victor is going to come to the aide of Saul, Michael isn't going to get laid until he wakes the fuck up and showers, Mr. Whiskers is shedding tears of the lonesome.
The 'Hoodie' is... another survivor from the 2nd Tower!!! Hey, does anyone remember what the name of the woman who was in charge of that group? The one who was supposedly a master planner or tactician? I remember hearing it somewhere, and was wondering when / if she would make an entrance into the story. Maybe now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
More evidence that it wasn't the Mallers was the location--yep, I also went to Google maps, and saw how close 8th + Grand is to the original Tower. Seems very un-Maller like, especially since they were all going south. Besides, when these trees were planted, the Mallers would have been having a field day pillaging the city. Not like them to think ahead to this degree.
So how did Hoodie sneak up unnoticed?
SUBWAY THEORY
The hidden group has gone underground--literally--and is making use of underground subway tunnels to travel unnoticed.
A underground group was one the first things I thought of as the scene was being described. (actually, first thing I thought was a poor man's hotel 23) and while not something I would describe as a subway per se...i could def see a series of sewer lines linking back to a main stronghold somewhere underground. If it's something as elaborate as what the colony had..it could feesibly take hours to travel a half dozen blocks to the garden :)Quote:
Originally Posted by litmaster
Her name was CJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by litmaster
There are subway's in L.A.? Damn, I feel ignorant. Had I known this, I would have theorized an underground group long ago! So is it possible that if they are using sewers that perhaps they were part of the group that kept the water pumping station up and going?
Shit! There are too many possibilities.
I...being a naive Midwesterner, was under the impression that the majority of the areas near the coast of California are similar to Florida..not many basements...subways ..etc...sewers are kind of a necessity though
Clarification from the Cali people?
I agree with Litmaster, I don't see the Mallers setting up anything like this. They were looking for better living arrangements and it wouldn't make sense to plant a garden before they secured a new living space.Quote:
Originally Posted by litmaster
Of course I could see them laying claim to a garden set up by other survivors.
The subway/Metro theory works for me too. Afterall, there were no car sounds.
It'd be neat to think that there is some sub-group of survivors utilizing an underground network of tunnels. I don't know though, with how long it took someone to respond, they could have parked a couple blocks away and went to the garden by foot. It could definitely go either way.
Well, either Victor will scare them away or someone is going to recognize Saul and stop before the trigger is pulled, it just doesn't smell like Mallers to me. I wonder if maybe these people were involved with picking over the surrounding area near the Tower that morning.
Okay guys... here's some more miscellaneous thoughts and theories about this episode, now that I've gone through it a few times:
Scavenged Bodies at Fallen Tower
- Definitely seems to me that they are making a lot of effort to cover their tracks and not reveal any information that might lead them to be followed, wherever they are going (Colony, etc.). The turned out pockets and absence of maps and useful information indicates that concealing their future plans from others might have been Scratch's main reason for returning to the Tower. The fact that they even took their brass shell casings shows they don't want anyone to know which types of munitions they have. This kind of calculating cover-up job seems like something Durai would order.
- Wherever the Mallers are going, they are intent on it being a secret from all others, including Bill's Zombie tribe (Nik wrote he thinks the hit on the Arena was to prevent the Mallers from being followed).
Zombie Body Collectors
- The fact that zombies have returned to clean up the bodies suggests that Ink and the boys have finished setting up shop over at the hospital, and are now established enough to get that big ol' pile of corpses re-established.
- We still don't know what the deal is with that, right? Is that the zombie version of MREs, or something?
Barracks at Ft. Irwin
- The whole base looked about the same to Michael as the last time he was there (before the zombie outbreak) except for the barracks, which have been turned into a mini-fortress with sandbags, guards, & towers. However, the fact that no one else seems to be within tells me that the compound was designed to keep people in more than out, which would make it more like a prison.
- The smell inside the barracks might suggest that some of the previous evacuees who have been transported here (as some of us were guessing) later turned zombie and were contained within this barracks area. This would explain the heavy fortification and the orders not to leave.
- Are there any other 'inmates' currently in this little barracks-prison? And why did Puck tell them to stay off the 2nd and 3rd floors? What's up there... a morgue??
"Just Because I Don't Put Out"
- This comment from Datu seemed rude, strange and out of character to me. Sounds like he is still bitter about Samantha's death, and seeing Pegs with Michael is bringing out the bile in him.
The Secret Garden
- As several have suggested already, this does not seem like the handiwork of the Mallers, except for the fact that the gate was rigged with an alarm, which does seem to be in the Maller's capability given their technological advances over our Tower members (remember all their radios, etc). But the tree planting would have required the transplanting of several saplings or even mature trees from an orchard some time ago to this hidden spot, which requires long-term vision that I don't think Scratch has. Durai maybe, but if they were going to up and leave south, why would they continue to maintain a garden up north? That doesn't make any sense.
- Here's my theory: this is one of several 'secret gardens' that were planted some time ago by teams from the Other Tower, the one Kalani and Hope were living in before it fell. I went back and listened to Chapter 11-2 (R&R), where Kalani told us how much more advanced that Tower was in terms of security and procedures, mostly due to the master planning of this woman C.J., who Michael said sounded "like one hell of a planner." So perhaps in the early stages of the outbreak, C.J. has some of her convoys go around to orchards and re-plant various gardens, knowing that canned goods were going to run out sooner or later and food would become scarce if they didn't do something. This garden was created by someone with a very long-range vision and the leadership ability to have it carried out. This C.J. is the only person mentioned in the story who seems to fit that profile.
The Identity of Hoodie and the Underground Group
- I have an hunch that Hoodie will turn out to be a girl. This is based only on Saul's mention of her short stature and Kc penchant for giving us the unexpected.
- I don't think Hoodie is a Maller. If she is, then Saul is ass out of luck. It seems more likely that Hoodie is part of a secret group of survivors from C.J.'s tower that has continued to exist in secret ever since their tower was overrun. Back in Ch. 11-2, Kalani did mention that just after their group's big convoy got ambushed and many of their 'best' killed, several members of their group deserted and struck out on their own. Also, it's possible that not everyone in that Tower was killed or captured... we already know that Hope made it out of there alive. And didn't that Sean guy come from there as well?
- As mentioned, it seems likely to me that they've 'gone underground', either by using subway tunnels or sewers, to pop up unawares. The fact that Hoodie has hiking boots and a backpack, and took a few hours to show up, indicates that she came on foot. This would also explain the absence of a vehicle for Saul to follow.
- The presence of an alarm suggests a centralized lair from which someone is monitoring the alarm, or several such alarms. This suggests organization and a group of people, rather than some lone gardener.
- The fact that Hoodie came alone suggests that this group is small, and doesn't have a lot of members to spare.
- If the guy found at the Tower with the 8th and Grand note in his pocket was indeed from this Underground Group, then it seems that the group has existed, in part, through scavenging. Also, that they have concealed their presence from the Tower members for some reason, and perhaps have been monitoring them for some time.
- Prediction: Hoodie will reveal herself as a girl, and will confront Saul and ask him why he is stealing their fruit, etc. Saul will talk Victor down from shooting the girl, who will agree to take them to see her leader, who might very well end up being C.J. herself, who has some secret lair setup in an underground labyrinth. This would be a kick-ass development in the story, in my opinion, because Saul and Vic really need some allies at this point.
That's all I got, folks! Hit me with some rep power if you like any of these thoughts.
I was thinking this. I wouldn't put it past Tardust to have found a garden that predated the Z-pocalypse (which it would have to be in order to be fruitful). And then he just didn't tell anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
If it were Tardust or someone else already established, it would make for a really interesting retelling of what happened from their perspective. That would also help visualize how they sneaked up on Saul.
Also, Michael is turning into a big pity party douche.
That's a little wild, he was just being smarmy. It was funny and sarcastic and Michael didn't get that or was annoyed, that's why Pegs said what she did.Quote:
Originally Posted by litmaster
The Vic/Saul pairing couldn't be any worse at scouting if they wore Deadmau5 heads and and tap dancing shoes. Seriously, those dudes don't plan at all. Vic was a scout before meeting up with the tower and he goes out without at least 2 days of food. Saul gets obsessed with things and forgets what is outside of his objective area. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Vic got caught trying to save Saul.
The barracks smelling funny....honestly I've never been in a barracks that didn't smell funny. It's usually a mix of man-ass and urine.
I agree! I think he's just in a great mood, they may have found somewhere safe, somewhere good.Quote:
Originally Posted by beezball
Long day at work. Listened and read forums. Thoughts
I have been partial to Cj. But the most recent mystery woman was Hannah
I like the the other tower group. I like running sewares but without pumping the clean water pipes will also be available. Last year I called this rattenkrieg. War of the rats and thought it would be an exceptional transit method to avoid a hard contact with zombies
I would like to see Skittles again. The stealth is in line, but sweeping the legs does not seem skittles like.
I do not think it was the mallers and scratch that turned out the pockets. The mallers are resource heavy and Scratch does not care enough to check. It would not surprise me if hood did it. That kind of gunfight with helicopters and RPGs would be heard all over the place
Saul knows of skittles but would not recognize skittles from Adam /Eve unless they were cutoff tees. So the only thing that breaks the initiative of the hoodie is a recognition of humanity and subsequent empathy. Alternatively, Victor could get the drop on them. I lean for the former.
A twist on the barracks would be this is where Ft Irwin placed slow turners. We have heard of them, but the closest we have seen is Randy. Michael's arm is all messed up and black and blue had he'll. Tanya has the bandage. Hope is blind, but I think in ep 1 they say she has not always been so. Riley is still messedup from ladt night. The soldiers could be thinking oh its the old my friend is passed out. Not turning into a zombie. If this was My House, you can bet that anyone who (re)enters from the hot zone would be lockedvdown in quarantine for observation.
1:love Arthur posts
2:the garden was within a "construction zone" of sorts, correct? Assuming if we may...that would in some way be tied into the sewer system. This would give easy access to within the fence with no visible way of entrance...the time it took for hoodie person to arrive has me beggining to think more in the direction of hoodie being a solitary caretaker. In my fuzzy logic, if I knew there was a problem at my garden, I would wait long enough for the intruders to leave before I walk up into a large group...