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I haven't even listened yet....but.....I have two words.....
MR. WHISKERS!!!!!!
BURT WHERE ARE YOU!!!! :mad:
Pretty straight forward episode. Good length but I want more!!!!!
That was an extremely satisfying episode. I'm very pleased to see that things seem okay at Ft. Irwin. Who would have guessed the stow-away zombie theory would prove to be right? The absence of helicopter skids made us all doubt. Our doubts are traitors!
So let me just say that I'm happy to learn of one of Tower survivor: BURT! (I was going to say Mr. Whiskers but I feel that joke will get played out real quick). Seriously, I thought the old man was pretty screwed but when I heard Saul's description of the condition of the zip-line I figured it was a very real possibility that he's not too beat up. He had to be standing on two feet when he pulled up the zip line through his harness then dropped it to the ground to allow it to coil up.
Perhaps those corpses that Victor found (one being eaten by rats) was one of Burt's victim's as he came down the zip-line? Maybe one of them wounded Burt and that is how Scratch was able to find him at the close of Season 2! This episode makes me very confident that Burt and Angel are now in the custody of the Mallers.
Did Victor kick Mr. Whiskers?! Fucker.
So why was that Maller carrying all those I.D.'s? I guess those were the trophies of his captured slaves. Too bad Saul didn't look them over. Victor wouldn't have recognized Lizzie's ID. Wait? Could that corpse have been Tardust? Maybe...but I doubt it.
So much too comment on! That add for Rex, Zombie Killer sounds gnarly! Can't wait for more. I'll cut it short here since I'm likely to ramble forever. Awesome show, Great job!!!!
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I almost forgot, somebody get Kelly laid!
RANDOM ZOMBIE SPAWN FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
for some reason my ipod only downloaded it to 7:50. i almost had a coronary. so i spent like 20 minutes scouring the internets to find a place to listen to it, then i remembered that the website proper has a listen section. crack obtained.
Mister Frigg'n Whiskers! F'n cats and their 9 lives! LOL. All I'm going to say is that Kelly keeps stealing the show. 2 great lines!
"oh, now we can get laid." Then she tops that off with "So, it not just you being as asshole, it's your training." ROFL!!
I think the evidence that Angel and Burt are in the hands of the Mallers is very strong now, which makes me wonder, what reasons could Scratch have for keeping them? Do you think she will offer them another chance to join thier ranks (something I doubt Burt would ever do) or do you think perhaps there may be an upcoming torture scene? Scratch could hurt Angel further or Lizzie in exchange for information. She may learn that Michael and the rest fled to Ft. Irwin!
Ft. Irwin vs. The Colony?! So much to stew over!
Loved the episode but I starting to get the feeling that KC is slowly building us up to something huge. He keeps giving us just enough to keep the storyline moving but not enough to really get a fix on it.
My only questions are, like some many other peoples questions.
1. Is Burt alive.
2. Will Saul and Vic find Liz and the Mallers
3. Will Michael and the others come back to LA
Another cracking episode, I hope the Ft Irwin residents don't turn out like the colony. If they need to be removed from the story because it's not very interesting if they are just chilling out perfectly safe, then please let there be some epic battle where the zombies lay siege to Ft Irwin and eventually over run it.
Still don't think Angel is alive though, I just can't see how he could be, he was on top of a building as it went down!
Didn't they fly over a whole mass of zombies as they left the field. I got a feeling I know where they are going!
they seem to be genuine military, and if there is one thing i kow about military:there is ordre and procedure. everyone who was, is, or was connected to he military (ie civilian workforce) would most likely willingly fall in line to secure their collective survival. this is because the military attracts a certain type of personality: people who want to get things done but in an environment that has order and structure. they are usually people who can work well with a team and rely on the training of their teammates to get things done. think back to when michael, saul, and angel were clearing the tower the first time. they tried to leave the untrained civilians towards the rear so that they wouldn't get in the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bray
regarding on base structure, i think that the reason rank broke down in the tower and michael was in charge boils down to experience, from what i gathered angel seemed like he was fresh out of OCS and had no leadership experience, where as michael had worked his way up to be a NCO. in a larger unit, even just as large as company strength, the leadership would have the experience that the men would look towards and thus would maintain positive control over the troops. at fort irwin, the NTC headquarters commanding general is (at present) a brigadier general. that is more than enough experience to be able to command the troops in an emergency.
I think our crew got off pretty damn easy. I would one-up Scratch's line of "Back up Bitch"
With: On the Ground NOW!
Hearts and minds? Not in THIS man's apocolypse
Yes. Yes. Yes.
I'm so excited now. I know the Colony was a very polarizing episode, I personally loved it. I like getting our characters out of their comfort zone and into a new place. New voices too! So good.
Also, I like how the sponsor was a series about how animals survive in a zombie apocalypse, and this is the episode we learn that Mr. Whiskers is the death-defying cat.
As far as Burt being alive, it's still unconfirmed and despite the condition of the zip-line it could have been Angel or whomever it was that responsible for all the tracks Saul and Victor found, although it could have been the Mallers with Burt and/or Angel + anything and anyone else they found.
In regards to the base, I was actually a little wary when they came into contact with the (presumed) soldiers. After their experience with the Mallers and the Colony, I would have thought majority of them would have been less willing to trust strangers right off the bat, regardless of the fact they were soldiers. Also when Kelly was mentioning that they/she might finally be able to get laid, I was thinking that she should be careful what she's asking for since this could be like the situation in "28 Days Later," (stop here if you don't want spoilers to the movie) in which the soldiers take them in and eventually intend to kill the men and rape the women. But I guess for now at least Michael and Company seem to be in the clear, for a few episodes anyway. I suspect that Fort Irwin won't last too long or at least fall before season 4 and the series is completed.
Things we can take away from the episode:
1. Burt, Angel and/or someone from the Tower could still be alive.
2. The above mentioned could be in the hands of the Mallers or on the road to find the others.
3. Michael and Company arrived at Fort Irwin and appear to be relatively safe, at least from the infected.
4. Mr. Whiskers is alive and appears to have been doing well on his own.
5. Soldiers appear to be the real deal, but intentions and motives are to be determined.
6. Fort Irwin is either a safe haven or another version of the Colony. (In terms of corruption and danger)
Ahh...It feels so great to have my We're Alive fix.
What to say about this one: We've got the return of Mr. Whiskers and Ft. Irwin seems friendly (At least on the surface) and Kelly wants to get laid....I love it all!
A couple of thoughts on somethings people have said so far:
I remember when Pippin first showed up at the Tower there was some talk about he may have had forged ID's. Maybe this is more evidence for forgeries? Or maybe the IDs are just trophies. If so at least it's a little better than the scavengers at the colony with their finger bones etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
Well there is some evidence that Scratch and Angel knew each other before the outbreak, somehow. I hope that we'll get to hear more about that soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
On a final note...I'm wary of the return on Mr. Whiskers. I'm a cat person, but that cat brings chaos in it wake...
Point in case that dogs rule! Hope did not go back for Mr. Whiskers, only Lady. Dogs FTW.
BTW did anyone notice that Michael said in this episode that he had an I.D. but in a previous (last season) he told Kelly he doesn't even carry around his dog tags let alone an I.D. @_@ hmmmm.
And yes someone get Kelly laid.
Michael knew he was going to Fort Irwin ahead of time, and the only piece of proof he had to being in the Army.Quote:
Originally Posted by awkwardalex
Damn, I feel like we need a diagram or something with respect to this zip-line issue (and it's with visually complicated elements like this that audio drama really shows it's limitations). Correct me, anyone, if this hypothesis seems wrong:
Burt was about 5/6th of the way down the zip line when it snapped, the break in the line coming somewhere between him and the Tower he was sliding from. When the line snapped, he fell and screamed, but his Marine training and quick-thinking led him to wrench the hand brake on the now-slack line, causing him to swing briefly and crash into the side of the building he was sliding to. The chopper assumed he fell straight to the ground, but if they had just looked over the edge (barring any smoke) they might have seen an unconscious Burt still hanging off the side of the building, where the impact of the swinging collision with the building had put him out cold. The chopper leaves, then Burt wakes up some time later hanging off the side of the building. He swings outward and (ala Bruce Willis from Die Hard) uses momentum to smash his way through one of the windows of the building, where he collapses into one of the empty offices. He is then bum-rushed by some Mallers, who capture him and take him prisoner.
Not sure if all of this totally jives with the details, but its the best I can come up with right now.
As for Angel, I still think the only way he got down alive was via the loose bit of zip-line still attached to the Tower, which he used to rappel down just before the building-top caved in. But that would mean both Burt and Angel saved themselves through using opposite ends of a snapped zip-line. Far-fetched???
excellent theory...and sounds pretty solid, minus one thing...Quote:
Originally Posted by litmaster
After the fall, Michael pulled the rope up...with no Burt attached. So while he could have landed on a balcony/through a window...he did not have any "dangle-time". Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on that.
PS: this episode was awesome...this is the show I came to love at its best....:)
Great episode. My only problem, was with how moronic Pegs and Kelly were acting when they were being detained by the military force at Irwin. They were both at the colony, both of them should know better than to be so giddy at the sight of another group of survivors. The ex Tower has had full scale conflicts with every major group of other survivors they'd encountered so far in the post apocalyptic world. And although this group seems like it's going to turn out to be a group of good people, at the initial confrontation, there was obvious tension if not hostility between Michael and Puck. Maybe I'm just over analyzing, but it seemed out of character for those two, especially considering how hardened both Pegs and Kelly have become since the beginning.
As for it not being possible that Angel escaped from the crumbling tower, if Burt can survive what initially seemed to be a 10 story fall, then Angel has a damn good shot of surviving a crumbling building. As for how he did it, wait and see, I'm sure Kc'll tell you.
The tyre tracks in the settled dusk seems the confirm the thought that the Mallers section from the end of chapter 24 was in fact later then the start of chapter 25.
While it is silly that Kelly and Pegs were giggling when they met the other survivors at Fort Irwin, remember that the last 1 or 2 days (plus the preeceeding weeks) for them has been really intense. They have been pinning their hopes on there being people when they got to the fort, and there are. Also, I am assuming that their first thought is really that they don't have to think for a while and that might be 'safe' here at the army base. I am not sure how I would react in a situation the same, but aside from Kelly's entry to the tower, both are quite friendly and based on what they have seen from our army boys might be expecting something similar with these guys.
Or shock has finally turned them crazy.
First off, loved the ad, will check out that Rex the zombie killer. Gorilla with a baseball bat! Heck Yes!
Kelly's line about getting laid makes me think that our dear lovable Britt is writing part of the script, that and the line in 25-2 where she makes the sexual orientation joke about Riley. Or Britt is psychic/has a really good read on Kelly. Not ruling that out.
I take hope from the fact that the military guys were BSing around. If they are not rushing, it means the base is relatively safe and secure. If they are having to go through the chain of command, it means there is still an orderly chain of command and probably at least a fair number of troops. My initial impression is that these guys are legit. Puck is an ass, but he is being reasonably cautious. These people just landed here out of no where, he is trained not to trust them. I wouldn't have straight up believed Micheal's story either and if the Mallers still have fake IDs (what I think ID guy corpse hinted at), then Micheal could get one. It is in Fort Irwin's best interest to be wary.
There was a lot of hope for me in this episode. As soon as Saul and Victor found the zip line was unusually placed, I believed this was evidence for Burt surviving and being relatively okay. I was waiting for them to find a corpse and notice a .50 caliber action express bullet hole in it. Hoping for Saul to kind of grin and remark, "Burt and his damn hand cannon"
As for Mr Whiskers, I thought that traitor was dead. But no not only has the cat been living outside the tower and still alive but is THRIVING! Saul mentioned that "zombie kitty" was fatter, living off the rats that could hide from zombies easily.
While I suspect that Mr Whiskers is the rat (I believe cats can use guns), I know that he is a foreshadowing of bad things. First appearance he causes a whole lot of tension and nearly gets Pegs shot. Right after his second appearance, on guard duty with Pegs, Kelly falls asleep on guard duty and the Mallers show up. Third appearance is during the war, where Pegs running after him nearly gets her and Micheal killed. Am I saying that Mr Whiskers tried to get Pegs killed? Am I saying that he may have drugged Kelly to allow Scratch and Latch time to scope out the lobby? Am I saying that he knew where the pipe bomb would be and tried to lure Pegs and thus Michael into its radius? Am I saying he may have had something to do with Burt's possible capture? Am I saying that he is planning more and has it in for Victor and Saul?
That is exactly what I am saying
While I'm sure I'm making something of nothing. We have now had two characters named puck....that is all
It's really early to jump in on this theory/prediction but that's sorta my thing....
I was just talking it over with Beez and I'm forumlating the following theory: Mallers/Colony team up vs. Ft. Irwin/Tower alliance. There will have to be some semblence of a conflict between Irwin and Tower involving returning to LA (after Saul and Victor get a message to them somehow) but Michael, crew and some Irwin-ites will go back to LA-LA land to get Saul, Victor, Lizzy, Angel and Burt back.
Some aspects of these theories have been around for a while, but now that we know for a fact that there is a military presence at Irwin......Theory On!
Yeah, you're right, 7oddisdead. I went back and listened to the end of 24 and Michael did narrate that, though it was smoky he saw the taught line go loose, heard Burt fall, then pulled up the 10 yards of zip line still attached to his side before getting to the frayed end. He apparently couldn't see Burt falling because of the smoke. But a few things about this scenario don't make sense to me:Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
1. Saul later found the end of the line that Michael had pulled up hanging straight down from the building and onto the ground, which would have to mean that the building the chopper took off from is no higher than 10 yards from the ground (given the 10 yards of line was tangled on the ground at the foot of the building and not still hanging loose). So there goes my 'Dangling Burt' theory, unless...
2. THE DANGLING BURT THEORY, pt. 2: Unless Burt did the hand brake Tarzan swing maneuver on the OTHER end of the snapped line, which would mean it snapped between him and the building he was swinging TO, and he swung and hit the tower itself. But there are a couple of problems with this theory, also:
---If Burt didn't die, why didn't he call out after he fell?
---If he was unconscious and hanging from the tower, or too hurt to call out how could he survive the tower collapse?
---And if he got to the ground before the collapse and scuttled away, how did he manage to avoid getting munched by Eaters?
3. If Michael pulled up the 10 yards on line on his end, then that left how much hanging on the Tower side? It's relevant, given that would be Angel's only ticket to reach the ground, and he would need to have enough line to reach the bottom before the tower went down. Or is it possible that Angel rappelled down, found an unconscious Burt lying nearby at the bottom, then helped drag him far enough from the tower before getting nabbed by Mallers and the tower collapsing?
Hmmmm... the more I think about all this, the more I'm thinking it likely that they're both dead.
Hell, maybe Burt just fell on Mr. Whiskers...
p.s. Oh, but let's not forget that Shane is still available as a 'voice talent'... just in case anyone is needed to play Datu's evil twin or something.... right, Kc? :rolleyes:
At 4:13 in the new episode, we hear Cpl. Puck say, "Hey you, shut it down! Kill it! You're wastin' fuel."
This seemed an odd thing to say--why would Puck care whether or not the Tower chopper has fuel, unless...
IRWIN FUEL THEORY:
Let me be the first one to float this theory, that the reason why the other choppers we saw were still 'strapped down' and not being used is not because of a lack of available pilots, but because Ft. Irwin lacks enough fuel to fly the birds. Hmmm, now where could they find some available fuel.... enough, let's say, to fuel a fleet of assault choppers to launch an upcoming aerial attack on the Maller / Colony ??? HA! That would provide rationale for our friends to make a return trip to LA, and a possible reunion with Saul and the Gang.
burts for sure alive i dnt think kc would have said that if it werent true. but lest we for get that angel was on top of the building. he would have fallen nine stories to the bottom. although im sure angel is alive, its very unlikely that he wouldve in the real world.
Just to add to all the Burt possibles....here's one
Burt hit building(not tower) lands on balcony...knocked out. Later runs up to roof...choppers gone
Uses rope to repel down building...gets captured when mallers return
On angels end, perhaps he did have the same idea and was repelling off the tower as it collapsed..ill admit this one is way out there...but when the tower fell. He somehow survived by not actually being "on" the tower..though it did kinda fall "on" him...
Well that's enough makings things up for one day...:)
there were survivors of the Twin Towers who survived the collapse from the 22nd story. So it's possible in real life.Quote:
Originally Posted by StickUpKid
Angel only fell a fraction of that height at 14-15 stories.
hmm never thought of that. but i do hope he is alive he was growing to be one of the better characters
I just realised something. The Fort Irwin guys recognised the chopper when they landed. This is the Jolly Green Giant from the airport, which means that at some point this chopper either went to or came from Ft. Irwin. I am guessing that it was possibly a fuel run if they went to the airport, and Michael and crew might have to answer some questions about how they came to be in possession of it.
Yeah I forgot about that part. But wasn't that the same one that was filled with bullet holes, dead bodies and blood? Hmmm they've got some splainin' to do if it was =PQuote:
Originally Posted by cupcakezombie
Great episode (like that even needs to be said), and it definitely demonstrates the difference between a soft skill soldier (Michael) and an Infantryman (myself). 1. I see a HMMV and a squad car, especially with a dude in the turret, I find cover that will stop that .50 cal. 2. No freakin' CPL is going to talk to me the way Puck talked to Michael. I don't care what the situation is, you respect my freakin' rank. I know Michael is the type of NCO that has a level head, and he's only a sergeant, but a corporal is below my rank and will respect me and my guests. 3. When someone draws a weapon on me, I tend to ask questions. Mostly "what unit is this? where is your squad leader? who is your commander?" This is going to be interesting.
The most interesting thing to me while they were dealing with Puck was Puck referring to the post commander (yes, post not base) he kept saying Colonel. As was pointed out earlier in this thread, the post commander for NTC and Fort Irwin is a one star general. I really hope this unit ends up being a bunch of AWOLs and turdbags that got there late and started acting like they were in charge.
I think you two are onto something....namely the conflict before the any alliance can happen between the Tower and the Irwin-ites. it can't be easy or where's the fun in that?
I thought Pegs had the chopper from the hospital. I'm pretty sure but could be wrong
She had the LAX helo. Remember, the chopper from the Hospital was ready to go immediately which is why Kalani flew it to the Golf course for the exchange....and then into the base of the Tower/Tanker Truck. Datu and Pegs arrived late to the Tower's destruction "party" because she was waiting for Datu to fix the shot up army helicopter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulla
I'm getting a feeling that the base wasn't the primary evac spot but some kind of second location. And I think Mr. Whiskers is lonely.
Hello, New to posting on this forum.
I'm just wondering why the bodies back at the Tower were left to rot? Shouldn't the zombies have taken them to eat?
Wondering out loud now: One thought I have is that someone (Mallers?) have come back to remove from the dead bodies any evidence of where they are, their plans etc. But why would they go to the effort of doing so? Maybe the Mallers are worried the Tower group will lead the FtIrwin Soldiers back to them. Some greater battle having already occured between Mallers and FtIrwin outside of the story arc??