I couldn't be happier that the Tower fell. Thats right I said it!
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I couldn't be happier that the Tower fell. Thats right I said it!
I agree it was time for a change, b-but the people!
but whyQuote:
Originally Posted by HorrorHiro
Because horrorhiro is trollin' for attention by bad mouthing our heroes home.
That's right, now it is I who hath communicated my feelings concisely! What say ye to these developments?
:p just joshin'
at least 90% of those people were less than secondary characters so most likely all of the tower residenve (not including the main characters) and maybe some of the more important characters are gone...
I love you Nik. And I honestly hate most of the Tower Residence main characters or not. So I prefer the Mallers to be honest, simply brecause I like them as an Antagonist and the fact that so many people unerestimated them just makes things so much better...
But they were still people! (from an in story perspective) For some reason Red Shirt deaths affect me. I can't help but personalize the perspective of the non-special people who get tossed around and disposed of brutally in some stories by the major players. And I keep thinking of poor Lewis locked in his room when the building collapsed...
Because I dont like the protagonists nearly as much as I like the Antagonists to be honest.
i totally fill the same way just cuz there not main characters dosent mean ppl dont care about themQuote:
Originally Posted by HardKor
I said it in the chat during the airing, "maybe this will be like a reboot..." sadly, i feel i was right, and i wish i hadn't been. After it happened, it took me a little bit to realize how many people we're (most likely) lost (remember, can't assume).
I wonder if Steven made it out alive, or got picked up 1/2 dead?
I'm not a Pyschopath or at least not a complete pyschopath. I feel for the deaths of "red shirts" especially in stories involving survival, near extinction of the human race. But I wouldn't be surprised if they all died.
I think it's terribly sad. So many people died. Not to mention we've lost a major icon of power here on the forums. The forums were kinda like the people's tower. When someone new joins "A new resident has entered the tower", when some is banned they are "exiled from the tower". And so many other places have been referred to as the tower because of what it used to stand for. Now that is rubble, what do we have to stand for anymore? This has not only impacted all the poor people of the the We're Alive world, but the hardcore fans as well. Our monument of safety is down!
at least some of them are alive
Very true, it's a tough loss for the forum as well. I guess we'll have to pledge allegiance to the Helicopter of the Tower Remnants. Or some really cool name like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Creem_Filling
lol could it fit all of usQuote:
Originally Posted by ComradeNarf
Just because it's important to you doesn't mean the same for all of us. Most yes but not all.
You guys reckon they'll make it o Fort Irwin (or whoever it is) or end up in another tower?
I think they will be heading to Fort Irwin, but the surviving characters will have to meet up again. We still have unfinished business with the mallers, the colony and the zombies, as well as the survivors of the tower, so I would expect a return to LA in the future.
I would think that with the tower, sniff* sniff*, destroyed the survivors will come back in search of anything. They won't do it immediately but it will happen. Also the survivors still have to meet up with Saul and Victor. We all know that Tanya won't let Saul go that easily. I totally agree that we haven't seen the last of the Mallers. I mean they still have Lizzy and now they have (most likely) Burt and Angel!
they might have to go back to la cuz they didnt take any supplies did they
I'm going to assume that were talking to me, because I can't find any other post that this would makes sense. I was just sharing my opinion on the matter, that's what threads are for, you don't need to rage on me. But I will call it silly that you like the Mallers more, I respect your opinion, the Mallers have just been asshats the entire time so I find it curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by HorrorHiro
but you've got to remember, the whole point of going to irwin in the first place was because it was the most likely to be self sustaining. i don't know how many of you know, but ft irwin is home to NTC (National Training Center) NTC is the largest training facility in the free world. they host HUGE training excercises and if there was any one in training at all when everything went down, they would have had tons of food (at least atm) it would also, theoretically, be the most secure facility in the nation, not only do they do MILES training but they also do live fire training, so potentially ft irwin is the last bastion of the US military. irwin is also naturally secure as it is surrounded by desert.Quote:
Originally Posted by andrew_huber
irwin rant over... next
kc said, everyone will hate scratch, and a lot of people felt really attached to the tower. would it be applicable to say that the tower was a character of it's own, and that scratch "killed" the tower?
edit: to clarify, MILES is Multiple Integrated Laser Engagement System... army laser tag
BRO!, you just made my day, never suspected anyone else felt the same, never having heard it expressed in any other genre or forum for said.Quote:
Originally Posted by HardKor
Yes I think it's safe to personify the Tower in that way, I mean it's not like people hate Durai right now (unless your against the Mallers as an Antagonist and as a whole you kind of have to hate their leader/organizer) but I also think it's safe to say that this was just Scratch's plan. It was even questioned if Durai even knew they were still up north or if he knew the mission he gave Scratch and her convoy had been completed. And that's really scary because that means that what Scratch and the Mallers left from the Arena mission did at the end of season 2 was nowhere near how much damage the Mallers at full force could do. That was more like a spec-ops mission for the Mallers if you think about it. And they sure as hell aren't hurting in numbers. Remember when the fake trade was suppose to happen and the Scratch sent the worst of her convoy to be killed pretty much I mean she knew that the Tower would send their best so she sent her convoys worse as a distraction."Thinning out the weak" as she put it.Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper239
The tower is dead. Long live the tower.
Let's all take just a brief moment and reflect on all the good things that the tower brought us...
hmm... yeah I can't think of anything. As for hating Scratch by the end of the season? No way. Scratch did nothing wrong. She just wanted the bitch that killed her brother, that's all. She didn't give a fuck about anyone or anything else.
Scratch4Life
when the tower collapsed wherent most of the red shirts in the motor pool
see the problem that i have with that way of thinking is this: if it wasn't for the actions of the mallers and latch's willing participation, he never would have died. she's acting like a spoiled little brat, it was their own fault he died for attacking the tower. that's like saying my brother broke into your house planning to kill you, you shot him, and i come after you for killing him. that may make sense to the criminally insane, but i think someone should put her on her knees, make her beg for her life, and then put two in the back of her head. execution. and i'd do it to anyone running wild like that, two to the head, make sure they don't come back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
so yes scratch did wrong and she should be dealt with like the dog she is.
You're making a lot of assumptions. If you consider the only force of 'good' to be the residents of the tower, then yes you logic works. If you consider that everyone is simply trying to stay alive the only way they can, then your logic falls apart. Your sense of right and wrong is distorted through the lens of a one-sided storyline. I feel for you, bro. I feel for you. The residents stole from the mallers. There was a plan for that tanker from the beginning and that plan was quite clearly to destroy as many of the biters as they could. The residents fired the first shot and the mallers reacted accordingly. This isn't rocket science, it's just the nature of the world that the story is being told in.Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper239
So Pegs did wrong and she should be dealt with like the dog she is.
Sadly I think most of the We're Alive listeners have a completely 1 sided view of the We're Alive universe. That the Tower residents are the "good guys" and everyone else is bad, instead of looking at it more logically from the "story of survival" standpoint. And I thought I was the only one that realized that the Tower started the conflict with the Malllers, if the residents had just given Latch and Scratch what was in their territory back maybe just maybe the Tower would still be standing. I mean the number 1 rule of taking something that someone else has already claimed is prepare for the worse because you don't know what their capable of. And everyone completely underestimated the Mallers. So this is the price they pay...Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
True story, sir. True story.Quote:
Originally Posted by HorrorHiro
But by your own logic of doing what is right by them, Pegs was defending herself from an act of aggression. Perspective works in both directions. Yes, the Tower committed the first act, but the Mallers escalated the conflict, and they paid the price for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
And technically, Durai fired the first shots of the war. He was just aiming at cameras. Had the Tower put armed guards on the balconies and they were trained right, they would have fired on the Mallers as soon as they heard the shots.
WRONG. Burt fired the first shot [first introduction of Scratch and Latch, showing the two that there was only way of reasoning with the residents: with force] of the conflict between forces. This is canon and cannot be disputed. Pegs may have been defending herself from an act of aggression, but that act would likely have never taken place had the tanker not been stolen from the mallers in the first place. Either side of the coin you flip to, murder is still murder. Yes, I am clearly ignoring everything Scratch has done in the past. Fanboys do that. Deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
I said the War. Not the overall conflict. Burt fired the first shot in the overall conflict between the Tower and the Mallers. The War is accepted as the contents of Chapter 12. Hence why the chapter is called "The War."Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
The stolen property is what caused the conflict, not Burt's dead eye shot on the mirror. And the shot was taken only after an acceptable trade could not be established for the release of the Tanker. Had Burt killed Latch or Scratch and leaving the other alive to go back to the Mallers would fulfill your scenario of Burt's shot causing the escalation by using only force. Remember, the only part of this story that Durai knows is the theft because Scratch lied to him and pinned it on Charlie. The only thing that matters to Durai (other than wanting the Tower to live in) is the theft.
I stopped reading after you began arguing semantics. The cause of the war is the theft of the tanker. Fact. The first aggressively hostile move is Burt shooting at the mirror. The first shot of the 'war' was taken from the tower. Let's have more semantic arguments.... Bill shot a mirror belonging to the mallers. The mallers shot a few cameras belonging to the tower. Blah blah blah, things happened, tempers flared and Pegs shot a man in cold blood. Whether or not that guy was in the wrong is so massively debatable that it isn't worth arguing any further than this. Facts are facts. The first hostile activity was a direct result of Burt, Saul and whatsername stealing the tanker. Spin it any way you feel like from that point, but you're not going to argue beyond the facts. Even though it's lots of fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Scratch4Life
So I'll do the same and stop reading your post when you start arguing semantics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
Now when you go back and re-read my post like you should have in the first place, I said the first act of the conflict was the Tower stealing the tanker. But since you insist on continuing to argue, I'll turn this on your girl Scratch and say that the first aggressively hostile act was Scratch pointing a gun at Lizzy and claiming she'll shoot her. Facts are facts. She's the first person to act out of hostility. These are facts that can't be debated.
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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Lol. You're such an ass and that's why I <3 you. I DID read your post and like I said yadda yadda yadda, things happened. The first shot fired in an open act of aggression was Burt. Scratch pointed an empty gun at Lizzy. Why wouldn't Scratch react that way though? Their shit had just been jacked and the thieves made aggressive moves towards them when confronted. It's one of those 'who did what first' arguments and we know the root cause of all of it. The theft of the tanker which had been earmarked and needed for a greater purpose. One that would have been a benefit to both sides. So... the first hostile act would be consider the trespassing and theft on behalf of the tower residents. This is the only fact that cannot be disputed in this round of arguments. Had the residents not stolen that tanker, Scratch and Latch would have never confronted Saul, Burt and Lizzy. Burt would have never fired a shot in a show-off 'don't fuck with the best' move, Saul would have never had reason to follow Scratch and Latch. Scratch would have never seen him spying on her and taken that as an act of hostility, chased his candy ass down and eventually ended up knocking on the front door of the tower. Should we go back further?
I <3 sparring with you and I knew you had to have read the whole thing :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
We could go back further and argue the semantics of stealing something while ignorant of ownership and territory but that would just bring us back to pretty much where we are now...and it would take about 3 days.
I understand the rally cry against the lack of gray area some people view the Mallers (THEY ARE BAD BAD PEOPLE WHO NEED TO BE HURT SEVERELY!), I'm not one of them. I've argued the Maller perspective up and down the forum because it's boring to have antagonists who are purely bad and nothing else. I agree the stolen tanker is the issue that started it all, I just personally think it's Scratch who escalated it beyond the initial problem.
I agree to disagree, sir. Scratch may have served as catalyst for the 'War' but I think the overall reluctance and aggressive posturing that Michael took with Durai was the downfall of the tower. There may have not been an amicable solution to the situation, but... hindsight is 20/20 right?Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
For the record, I hated Latch.
Agreed. I would really liked to have seen how that situation would have been resolved if Pegs was able to continue to negotiate. Durai seemed to soften up a touch to her...now whether that be a tactic or legit...guess we'll never know...oh but no...Some asshat had to shoot off a couple of shots and ruin our fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris