The Source/Cause of the Infection!

Hello everyone on the forum. Random newbie here. In honor of the season two finale coming up this weekend, I've been re-listening to the series at work/working out/whenever. That's besides the point, though.

In chapter 12-4 (The War- Part 4) I noticed something interesting. When Tommy was initially offered to get rinsed off, he was rather polite about it, but just before the infection set in, he had a VERY strong aversion to water. That's when it hit me! I had a theory about the spread of the zombie infection.

MUTANT RABIES

Don't laugh it off quite yet. Just think about it for a moment! What are some characteristics of rabies?

1. Hydrophobia is an early sign of a rabies infection.
-Considering Tommy resisted getting washed quite violently before he turned, plausible.

2. Spreads through bodily fluid contact, like saliva-to-blood and blood-to-blood.
-Fits the bill on how the zombie disease spreads.

3. Rabies is characterized by cerebral dysfunction, abnormal behavior, hallucinations, and general agitation.
-Zombie-like loss of coordination, reversion to primal behaviors, attacking humans and animals alike, etc... could all be potentially pulled from quasi-rabid behavior.

Now, of course, this doesn't explain things like the big ones and the little ones or the super-high rate of infection. At the same time, cases of prolonged turning could be examples of people who are resistant to the strain of the zombie virus. It makes sense! (to me, at least)

Thoughts?

I've heard speculation that the legends of vampires may have been inspired by the behavior of people infected by rabies. I think you make a compelling case that whatever caused the zombie outbreak in WA had something to do with rabies.

Come to think of it, in World War Z the early outbreaks of zombies were attributed to "African Rabies".

I approve of this logic....:)...keep going!

Also, in World War Z, Max Brooks writes that one of the early names for the zombie plague in that universe was the "African rabies". Coincidence? Perhaps. Or then Max Brooks is the Nostradamus of We're Alive...

Seriously though, this is great thinking! Keep it up, we'll have this figured out before KC spills the beans (if he ever does...)

Luna, In WWZ the infection actually started in China did it not (I didn't really care for the book)?

Anyway, about Tommy... I have a teenage step-son who is water adverse as well. Its just what they do, little bastards just hate taking showers. Mugs think they'll go all Wicked Witch of the West.

You have just described the book "Tooth and Nail" by Craig DiLouie. It about how the Rabies virus mutated with another to created a zombie like infection that spreads like rabies.

I am assuming KC did his research on all things zombie and I don't think he would copy this books premise.

Heres the book description...

"As a new plague related to the rabies virus infects millions, America recalls its military forces from around the world to safeguard hospitals and other vital buildings. Many of the victims become rabid and violent but are easily controlled-that is, until so many are infected that they begin to run amok, spreading slaughter and disease. Lieutenant Todd Bowman got his unit through the horrors of combat in Iraq. Now he must lead his men across New York through a storm of violence to secure a research facility that may hold a cure. To succeed in this mission to help save what's left, the men of Charlie Company will face a terrifying battle of survival against the very people they have sworn to protect-people turned into a fearless, endless horde armed solely with tooth and nail."

due to all the variation, behemoths, little ones, smart zombies, ink, i don't think it's rabies, or even super rabies per se. instead i think rabies may have been used as a base or another virus entirely but spliced with charecteristics of rabies. also keep in mind that while the virus in wwz was initially called african rabies, it was later determined to be something else (solanum i think) a virus completely unrelated to rabies. also those zombies were completely dead, slow, and unthinking, and there weren't different variations of zombies. of course if we look at left 4 dead we see a super rabies virus with multiple variations, but the baseline zombies aren't particularly strong. another source for the super rabies theory is the movie quarentine, similar to l4d minus the different types, or 28 bays later

Sorry I have been away so much. Starting a different phase at work and been crazy. BUt, I almost have it calmed down to regular waves.

Here is some work that I did for another zombie site. Please note, I published this before National Geographic posted the idea and encorporated into their zombie show.

http://www.lostzombies.com/group/the...ource=activity

Going back to "Tooth and Nail", the implication of that story was that the hybrid of influenza and rabies was something man-made, with the influenza element weakening the immune system and creating the opening for the rabies element, while diguising it from view until it was too late. The influenza aspect doesn't seem to be a factor in We're Alive, but the idea of this being an "engineered" outbreak is certainly consistent with what we've seen so far.

Yeah I agree that the flu symptoms are not there in We're Alive

yeah we're alive seems to have a zombie/notazombie switch, I kinda miss the Romero slow burn turning process

There is a subsection of biology called astrobilogy. Life on other planets, bacterial contamination and clean up in the space station etc. But, on the fringes there is a scientist that preaches that virus can be shed from coments and asteroids. They slowly settle in the atmosphere. Birds catch influenza first because they are in the area while we are on the ground. They start in China because the himolayas (spelling?) disrupt the wind currnets as the highest place on Earth. These statements are conjecture with no real proof. But, he also claims that the influenza hit on the same day in the Us and in India. But, there were no means of transportation fast enough to do that.

Space Rabies!

I think it is an interesting plot device for stories, but I do not believe that space influenza is a regular thing. I have also been unable to substantiate his claim that things started on the same day.

Without invoking a large conspiracy, the astrobiology theory of disease is a mechanism of dispersal of the contagion.

A mutated or genetically altered strain of rabies sounds very interesting, but what I’ve been dwelling on is how it began. Mind you, I just started listening to this podcast just a month ago and I’m only up through Chapter 17; however, early on our survivors were watching a DVR of a newscast that had been recorded in The Tower. It appeared that the infections had their beginnings in many major cities across the United States, perhaps, even in every major city around the world, within hours or minutes of each other. Though this infection metastasizes rather quickly through the host and is easily transferred to another host’s body, it would be impossible for the disease to appear in every major city across America in an hour if this with a natural infection. Also, if this had been a natural infection, then we would have seen one city or area with the country with infections; then, following manmade transportation routes, primarily roads, as we’ve yet seen a zombie that can pilot a plane or boat, we would have seen the infections travel to other parts of the country. That this is not a natural occurring plague is also supported by the fact that the outbreak appears to have occurred on isolated areas of our planet, such as the islands of Hawaii, at the same time as on the mainland. If the plague had originated on the mainland, then it should have reached Chile long before it reached Hawaii, as the ocean would have created a natural barrier. The way in which the infection has spread would suggest an orchestrated event; biological terrorism. So, let us assume that I’m right, that a person or persons unknown have released this ‘zombie’ plague upon the earth. This raises several questions, of which are: 1) Who are they? 2) For what reason did they release the plague? and 3) What was the initial catalyst? Was this the action of some nation looking to obtain all of our planet’s limited natural resource and dominate the world? A zombie plague would ride the world of humans, yet leave their resources intact. A nuclear bomb gets rid of just some humans, but generally makes the hardest hit area uninhabitable for decades. Was this a holy war against ‘unbelievers’, with ‘The Profit’ heralding the coming destruction of mankind and reaping political and military power by the accurate prediction of man’s fall? Also, if we can assume that this plague is manmade we can assume that there may be an antidote and/or that the plague may have a shelf life. The longer that you allow any plague to go unchecked, the higher the chances are that the plague will mutate and make it harder to combat or eradicate. But if you can design the plague to expire within six months or a year, and are able to hold up somewhere underground for that time, you’ll come out of the hole you’ve dug for yourself, release a dove and be King of the Earth, with everyone you’ve saved with you in your hole groveling at your feet, ready and willing to be your faithful subjects. What was the initial catalyst? The easiest way to spread such a plague would be through the air, say within ten feet. Someplace where there are lots of people jammed together, like on a subway. I’m thinking of a unit that is basically an atomizer hooked up to a cell phone; something small enough to be hidden under a seat or in a ventilation system. You don’t need to contaminate a city’s entire water system, or drop a dirty bomb, or fly over each city in a helicopter and spray the populous. In this way, it takes just one person to become infected and the deed is done. I look forward to your comments.

Taking into consideration all other zombie outbreaks and causes out there, this one I think is from human testing. They mention on the news broadcast that 'Ink' is being moved to a mental institution. They could be moving him from the hospital somewhere and along the way he gets out, possibly in the zone where Lizzy and Victor got sick. He spreads the disease from there, and the people transporting him could have been carrying whatever they injected him with and it became airborne, expediting the process. Considering that no one who was in that area later got sick, perhaps the 'virus' can only survive for a short time in the air, say a day or two. that would explain the spreading from that zone and perhaps the odd feeling in the air without getting infected. The mental place under the hospital not on the map could have been illegal testing of some sort of super virus that the creators may have thought could do good or bad. Maybe they were hoping for a sort super soldier, or something, that would be strong, fast, fearless and not react to pain (jumpers?) or giants to be super strong (behemoths?) etc, you get the idea, and the tattoos for the little ones a way of recognizing what works and what does not, and Ink or whoever is one of those doctors changed over and trying to continue the experiment (dr.'s make smarter zombies). Many movies and books have been based off of trying to get a 'better' human. Perhaps this outbreak is that kind of attempt gone horribly wrong?
This was kinda lengthy, but I think as I write, so yeah this is just my rambling brain trying to work things out lol.

Khhhaaaaaaan!!! I mean, Kek!!!!!! DAMN YOU!!!!

You beat me to it. As for a specific infection that causes the Zombie-fication, I have no idea but, I am of the opinion that the virus or whatever it maybe, is the result of human experimentation wither it be intentional or not. The area not mapped in the Hospital was most likely a testing facility and probably not the only one.
Hospitals are typically run by a larger, parent corporation (Umbrella Corp.?), having said that there are probably hospitals nation wide, if not world wide, conducting the same experiments. Now as to the intentional release of the outbreak, I see several scenarios: it was completely intentional, as to what the desired outcome of the release, your guess is as good as mine. World domination, purging the world of the unpure or unworthy, general death and destruction, pure scientific knowledge. Another idea is that it was completely a work of fate, the stars aligned against us, an human error lead to chain of events which allowed the outbreak occur.

Or perhaps it was a coordinated prison break by the test subjects. Now at first it may sound outlandish but, hear me out. In the hospital the zombie that was encountered stopped a flying arrow, who's to say that the zombies do not have other ways to communicate and coordinate a jail break. This is the Zombie Revolution!!!! Rise up, my Undead brethren and strike down our Human oppressors!!!

LoL. Okay, sorry just having a bit of fun but, their demonstrated level of intelligence is scary, couple that which their strength and other extra-natural abilities, looks like us (the human race), is in a world of hurt. My question is who is leading them. Is it Ink? Another zombie? The Zombie King? Or maybe a human . A man. And he rests atop a throne of corpses. . . .

I like the human testing under the hospital (and other places) scenario.

Aside from the Jail Break idea, could also have been released by some hippy who thought that it would be a good way to bring attention to what they found. Idiot.

I dislike the whole 'human-testing-gone-wrong' storyline. It's been done before; over and over. Give me something new as a catalyst. Give me an evil protagonist that has caused this to happen. He'll make zombies look like innocent victims of his terrorist crimes; a devil worse than Hitler for Michael and what remains of the Armed Forces to fight.

Like I said before, it seems to me to be human testing. Maybe Daniel Glenn is right, but instead of one evil protagonist, it could have been a group. Perhaps something like Umbrella Corp. that is trying to come up with a way to eradicate the human race, or the classic 'take-over-the-world' plot. It could be anything, and thanks to KC's amazing writing and story telling, we know it can be anything. There are so many ways to play this. Perhaps there is an evil protagonist, but his plans went awry and he became a zombie, maybe a zombie king or Ink. Or maybe a hippy organization did discover the human testing and tried to bomb it or stop it or something (explosions at beginning? lol) but instead ended up spreading the contagion. Or someone tried to break Ink out of jail or the madhouse or wherever he was and that caused the outbreak. So many possibilities!

As a writer (well, hopeful writer lol) I can appreciate the fact that KC is heightening the suspense by including all these little tidbits that will make us think one thing, but then the next week he will come up with something completely new and blow all out theories and predictions out of the water. That is one of the reasons this is an amazing podcast.

Well, that is enough of my rambling, I tend to write a lot when I am thinking and typing at the same time lol.

No, it's great. I like what you've written. Guess we will have to see with what KC comes up with.

I think its genetic mutation done to people because of hints in ch1

As to what is the cause of the infection, I think the unmapped area in the hospital clearly points toward man's interference into God's realm. We have tread on to holy ground and are paying the consequences. My guess for who's to blame, my working theory (Well, that's until the next chapter comes along and changes everything.) is that the corporation that conducted the experiments and they are no longer in control and the Zombie King, reins supreme. (King Ink the First, anyone?)

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No, it's great. I like what you've written. Guess we will have to see with what KC comes up with.

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That we will. I can't wait to find out what happens next. So many great possible theories thrown about, someone could take all these and write another zombie related story lol.

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As to what is the cause of the infection, I think the unmapped area in the hospital clearly points toward man's interference into God's realm. We have tread on to holy ground and are paying the consequences. My guess for who's to blame, my working theory (Well, that's until the next chapter comes along and changes everything.) is that the corporation that conducted the experiments and they are no longer in control and the Zombie King, reins supreme. (King Ink the First, anyone?)

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Idea. How about something DOOM-ish like some scientist opened a portal to hell? shovel:) ouch. ok, i'll stop.

I don't know if this has been discussed since I'm new, but I'm confused on how the infection is spread. We know that getting bitten does it, and in the beginning being splattered or ingesting blood did it too. I was re-listening, however, and when Riley and Angel were in the arena they were in piles of the dead monsters for hours. Riley got juices in her eyes and mouth and I assume Angel did too. Can the infection not be spread by the dead bodies? Do they need to be living/fresh remains in order to spread it?

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I don't know if this has been discussed since I'm new, but I'm confused on how the infection is spread. We know that getting bitten does it, and in the beginning being splattered or ingesting blood did it too. I was re-listening, however, and when Riley and Angel were in the arena they were in piles of the dead monsters for hours. Riley got juices in her eyes and mouth and I assume Angel did too. Can the infection not be spread by the dead bodies? Do they need to be living/fresh remains in order to spread it?

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This question goes to the heart of one of the unanswered questions of the series: How do they decide between turning someone and using them as food? That pile that Angel and Riley hid in might be just be people that the zombies killed but never infected them. We've seen them dragging live ones around, but we've also seen them jump on Todd and Fernando for immediate eats. If they can control themselves to the point that they don't bite right away, that entire pile could have been full of people who got their necks snapped and tossed onto the pile.

Likely? Nah, not really. But possible.

Did the zombies take live people during the beginning, I wonder? or did that come later, once Ink (or whoever is the smartest zombie in the group) organized everyone, newly turned and all, and 'told them' what to do?

I have often wondered if the tatoos might serve a transmission function. Just as some diseases can be spread through needles, the same might be true for zombies.

Bill Roberts (A.K.A. "Ink") might have been turned after getting one of his many tatoos before becoming Patient Zero for LA the LA area.

Also, the tatoo gun at the Mental Hospital might have been used for more than just labelling the Little Ones. Perhaps it is being used to infect others? With new strains?

I'm curious about transmission theories related to Ground Zero and Inglewood. While it's apparent that the virus (or whatever) is transmitted through blood and bodily fluids, and it's therefore possible/probable that it's being transmitted through the tattoo needle, I'm unsure about what part Ground Zero plays. We heard the theory that Ground Zero is where everything started, presumably where the virus first began spreading, at least in the Los Angeles metro area. If that's the case, and considering that something in the area causes violent illness and vomiting, there must be some sort of other method of transmission, perhaps airborne (although Pegs said something about how it didn't seem like it was in the air, and Pegs and Victor didn't acquire the virus even after they were exposed to the air of the area).

I wonder if WA is based on real locations?

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I wonder if WA is based on real locations?

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Generally yes. Kc has said he likes to write about what he knows and where he can visit. There are obviously exceptions like the Colony....I doubt there's a booby trapped stronghold in SoCal full of sociopaths.....

...,at least I hope there isn't!

aybe u could pinpoint and track a characters location and maybe figure out some stuff

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Generally yes. Kc has said he likes to write about what he knows and where he can visit. There are obviously exceptions like the Colony....I doubt there's a booby trapped stronghold in SoCal full of sociopaths.....

...,at least I hope there isn't!

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You mean other than Orange County?...badda bing, badda boom!

Seriously though, who says every zombie related plot point has to stem from a single source? There's the beginning and then there's the aftermath. For instance, There's something very wrong in ground zero that may be related to how the virus was dispersed. Then there's the possibility that someone is doing research on the infected and tracking generations or crossbred creations.

The main question I have about Ground Zero is why people get sick/can't breathe near there.

I'm starting to think Ink is a bit like a second in command--and I'm wondering where Skittles is.

Okay well a simple case of rabbies does not travel anywhere near as fast as what is described in Were Alive. So unless it is a extremely mutated case of rabbies like said early there is no way it could be that. Also I would like to point out that when victor and pegs were heading to the airport so pegs could practice flying the helicopter they got lost and drove right into ground zero, the start point of the outbreak, and they could not breath or anything, leading me to believe that what ever it is that causes the change to zombie started out as an bacteria of some sort that spreads by air in it's start stage, which explains how such a large group of people would be changed in such a short period of time in the beginning, and then it most likley kept mutating and advancing like other bacterias, but at a extremely fast rate, make it completely uncureable. I believe it was some experiment gone wrong and completlelly going out of control, breaking free into the world and mutating drastically once it got into the outside environment.

The incubation time for rabies is much longer. The "We're Alive" turn occurs in minutes. No known Virus or anything else can work that fast in OUR world. But, there are zombies running around, so I suspend disbelief to play along.

If we switch back towards "The Real World" and play "let's make a zombie plague..."

No DNA or Bacteria we know can spread that fast. Period.

The only thing we have that can modify behavior that quickly is a DRUG. But, the problem with a drug is that it is a one-off. Drugs do not reproduce, so each generation of victim will have a lower does. In this case, it will reach a point where it is slower acting or has less of an overall affect.

What I do is combine the two. We need a drug for fast action and we need a virus or bacteria to propigate the drug. There are many drugs that are currently being made in bacteria and viruses. But, these vectors are killed off while the drug is purified prior to use in people. But, there have been "drugs" developed that are administered by direct infection with a modified virus. The hope is the drug will be delivered and the virus will die away or be inert. But, going back to the Math-dude from Jurasic Park, "Nature finds a way:"...

OK, another problem with viruses is that they are very small. That means they do no have a lot of "RAM" to hold new information and programs. However, some viruses contain "pseudo-genes". These things get into the human cell and change the expression level of traditional genes that we all have and use in day to day life. Although the possibility also exists that they may awaken "ancient" genes. Genes that may control agression or feeding behavior that human evolution has turned way down so we can come together as a society. Change the expression of some proteins, turn on some silent genes, drop in a gene to make a drug like LSD to really mess with perception and we are on our way to snarling ravenger with reduced cognitive abilities

I have done work on the other side of the phenomena. Modification of the flesh. BUt, Kc's "zombies" are more about cognitive function rather than physical; special zombies exempted.

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The incubation time for rabies is much longer. The "We're Alive" turn occurs in minutes. No known Virus or anything else can work that fast in OUR world. But, there are zombies running around, so I suspend disbelief to play along.

If we switch back towards "The Real World" and play "let's make a zombie plague..."

No DNA or Bacteria we know can spread that fast. Period.

The only thing we have that can modify behavior that quickly is a DRUG. But, the problem with a drug is that it is a one-off. Drugs do not reproduce, so each generation of victim will have a lower does. In this case, it will reach a point where it is slower acting or has less of an overall affect.

What I do is combine the two. We need a drug for fast action and we need a virus or bacteria to propigate the drug. There are many drugs that are currently being made in bacteria and viruses. But, these vectors are killed off while the drug is purified prior to use in people. But, there have been "drugs" developed that are administered by direct infection with a modified virus. The hope is the drug will be delivered and the virus will die away or be inert. But, going back to the Math-dude from Jurasic Park, "Nature finds a way:"...

OK, another problem with viruses is that they are very small. That means they do no have a lot of "RAM" to hold new information and programs. However, some viruses contain "pseudo-genes". These things get into the human cell and change the expression level of traditional genes that we all have and use in day to day life. Although the possibility also exists that they may awaken "ancient" genes. Genes that may control agression or feeding behavior that human evolution has turned way down so we can come together as a society. Change the expression of some proteins, turn on some silent genes, drop in a gene to make a drug like LSD to really mess with perception and we are on our way to snarling ravenger with reduced cognitive abilities

I have done work on the other side of the phenomena. Modification of the flesh. BUt, Kc's "zombies" are more about cognitive function rather than physical; special zombies exempted.

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check out quarentine, (think i spelled that right) they covered the issue of super rabies by establishing that the scientist in the apartment shortened the incubation period. i was curious, so i looked into it: by splicing together traits from rabies, ebola, and proly a few other select viruses, you could create something with an incubation period of hours, a lethality of near 100%, and a very high rate of infection. granted, a few hours is not several minutes, but a multi-million dollar corporation, with a high tech lab and a lot of time could proly figure something out. plus, we can accelerate the incubation period a bit for a work of fiction.

i like where you're going with the drug/virus combination though, it's a great idea (great being a relative term).

What most people do not know is that there is an airborn strain of rabies. It was identified in Spelunkers (cave explorers) and came from bat guanno (poop). Subsequent studies in the controlled conditions of the laboartory confirmed that it was airborn. Some work I did for other authors combined Influenza with rabies. Later, the idea was picked up by National Geographic.

I did not need the drug in that case, because for their mythos the incubation period was several days.

The speed of the infection is really puzzling; mostly fast but sometimes there are slow turners. Seems to be spread by blood exposure even on unbroken skin, but then why was the husband of the woman who hid in the closet at the beginning able to beat a zombie head to a pulp and then wash his hands and carry on.

The complexity of the virus is a different puzzle. I guess you could just call "genius". Someone who could figure out things that other people couldn't

I've heard one theory of the Black Plague is that it struck according to blood type (also that it could have been something other than Bubonic). As in B protects weakly and people with A are most likely to survive. Type O's die like flies (yet another reason I wouldn't have survived the middle ages)
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I'm looking forward to the solution such as it will be because KC is determined to avoid the sins of Lost (and, hopefully Battlestar Galactica).

Has anyone looked into the fact that this may be an irradiated virus that is causing the outbreak? In chapter 3, part 3, Bert goes on to explain the "smart ones" who used to be scientists and such, the so called "smart one" is wearing a clearance level 3 ID badge for a radon labs. This may explain why people feel weird when they are at ground zero. I know this has some holes as to how it was initially spread but i find that this may be a cause to the source of the outbreak.

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Taking into consideration all other zombie outbreaks and causes out there, this one I think is from human testing. They mention on the news broadcast that 'Ink' is being moved to a mental institution. They could be moving him from the hospital somewhere and along the way he gets out, possibly in the zone where Lizzy and Victor got sick. He spreads the disease from there, and the people transporting him could have been carrying whatever they injected him with and it became airborne, expediting the process. Considering that no one who was in that area later got sick, perhaps the 'virus' can only survive for a short time in the air, say a day or two. that would explain the spreading from that zone and perhaps the odd feeling in the air without getting infected. The mental place under the hospital not on the map could have been illegal testing of some sort of super virus that the creators may have thought could do good or bad. Maybe they were hoping for a sort super soldier, or something, that would be strong, fast, fearless and not react to pain (jumpers?) or giants to be super strong (behemoths?) etc, you get the idea, and the tattoos for the little ones a way of recognizing what works and what does not, and Ink or whoever is one of those doctors changed over and trying to continue the experiment (dr.'s make smarter zombies). Many movies and books have been based off of trying to get a 'better' human. Perhaps this outbreak is that kind of attempt gone horribly wrong?
This was kinda lengthy, but I think as I write, so yeah this is just my rambling brain trying to work things out lol.

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I'd like to add to this if I may. I agree 100% that this is a virus. And history is full of "illegal" human testing right down to Dr Jonas Salk who documented work of testing ways to infect people with the flu. He was using a "nasal spray" form of the flu virus and testing how lethal its effect was on mentally ill and handicapped women. You all do know we can deliver a flu vaccine via a nasal spray right? Guess where it came from?

Kek's idea is quite sound.

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Like I said before, it seems to me to be human testing. Maybe Daniel Glenn is right, but instead of one evil protagonist, it could have been a group. Perhaps something like Umbrella Corp. that is trying to come up with a way to eradicate the human race, or the classic 'take-over-the-world' plot. It could be anything, and thanks to KC's amazing writing and story telling, we know it can be anything. There are so many ways to play this. Perhaps there is an evil protagonist, but his plans went awry and he became a zombie, maybe a zombie king or Ink. Or maybe a hippy organization did discover the human testing and tried to bomb it or stop it or something (explosions at beginning? lol) but instead ended up spreading the contagion. Or someone tried to break Ink out of jail or the madhouse or wherever he was and that caused the outbreak. So many possibilities!

As a writer (well, hopeful writer lol) I can appreciate the fact that KC is heightening the suspense by including all these little tidbits that will make us think one thing, but then the next week he will come up with something completely new and blow all out theories and predictions out of the water. That is one of the reasons this is an amazing podcast.

Well, that is enough of my rambling, I tend to write a lot when I am thinking and typing at the same time lol.

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My theory is its some eco terrorists bent on ridding the world of mankind cause they know Ol' momma earth will be better off without us. It would explain why the virus has not as of yet crossed species into monkeys, dogs, cats etc..