Saul and Tanya... Family Immune?

So in this last chapter Mike says Tanya and some scratches and blood on her but she in not turned. Even though these could just be brush burns / scrapped from being dragger. They could have also came in contact with the blood from the zombie that was dragging her. And since Mike says shes not turned, just passed out.

Do you think Saul and Tanya somehow have something in them that causes a immunity without knowing it?

Or is it just luck that both of them had open wounds and were close to getting infected blood on them and didn't?

I'm going to bet luck but If she did maybe that stuff reacted differently with the tinks

you know this makes a LOT of sense....but if its true i dont know how they could find out. because if it is true they would have to find out and im not really sure how they could EXPLAIN it.

I was thinking the same thing. Maybe this is where the figure out about some immunity that could be passed on to Saul and Lizzy's future zombie baby. I like your moxxi kid, I'm totally diggin' that theory.

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Originally Posted by Creem_Filling

I was thinking the same thing. Maybe this is where the figure out about some immunity that could be passed on to Saul and Lizzy's future zombie baby. I like your moxxi kid, I'm totally diggin' that theory.

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its not going to be a little zombie baby!

Michael didn't say that she had blood on her. He said that she had "red marks on her face and a puffy left eye" and that she "had some bad scratches on her back."

There was no mention of blood; and in the case of Saul we used to have a great analysis of the blood passage, wound size, bullet temperature and surface area, but it was on the old forums. Overall, it disproved any chance of Saul gaining enough of the mutagen and that it would not survive long enough for infection to occur.

spoiler to the movie "the vanguard"



basically,in the future,the world government creates a virus to control the populous. Well the virus turns out to be a zombie virus...the main scientist behind it had an inkling that this might happen, and made the cure for the virus his own sons blood..so zombie bits him, they return to normal...i HIGHLY doubt that's what's going on with the tinks though....

Yea unless they find some lab stuff no way can they make a cure

Its a cool theory and it would really make an interesting plot line. Even though there was a thread that closely analyzed the the transfer of blood to Saul when he was shot by Bert, I was kind of hoping that Saul is immune. I really like Saul and when Bert got all serious with his "I never Miss" line, I thought he was a goner. No matter what other threads have said, I strongly believe that infected blood was transferred to Saul. I'm not usually the one to make predictions but I really think that the end of this season will leave us with an few unknowns about who has been killed/turned during the looming season 2 finally and I think that the question of Saul's immunity will be part of that cliffhanger. Something to the effect of getting bitten while saving Lizzie and leaving us to wait until next season to find out if he's turned.

Tonya I'm not too sure about. I, personally, don't think she was bitten. We've seen zombies take people without biting them, Datu, Samantha, and Koloni for example. So, her possible immunity is doubtful.

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Originally Posted by yarri

its not going to be a little zombie baby!

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Oh, Ms. I'm-so-sure-pants, aren't you confident? Let me clarify. I don't think the baby will come out biting and scratching, but I think it may have the infection coupled with the immunity. This theory based off a lot of assumptions though, so I think it unlikely still. So bing-bang-boom, you've just been theorized Creemy style.

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Originally Posted by Creem_Filling

Oh, Ms. I'm-so-sure-pants, aren't you confident? Let me clarify. I don't think the baby will come out biting and scratching, but I think it may have the infection coupled with the immunity. This theory based off a lot of assumptions though, so I think it unlikely still. So bing-bang-boom, you've just been theorized Creemy style.

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You can't have an infection with an immunity. One negates the other.. IMMUNITY.. being immune not having it.. If she is pregnant I hope she is pregnant. We can be one with the theories hehehehe

Maybe it will be a half-human, half-infected baby that when it bites a zombie then either turn back into humans or die. So the baby is like the cure

I recently finished my second listen of WA, and I came up with this theory. Is there a possibility of Saul being immune to the infection? This might have happened through an injection, etc. he recieved in the Army. Here are my reasons: In the first chapter, when he disobeys Michel by taking the knife with him, that scene was stressed WAYYYY to strongly for it not to matter. Also, when Saul was trapped inside the crushed car, it seems likely he would have been somehow bitten. What is your opinion on this? This is my first post so tips are appreciated.

One tip is to look back through the pages to see if a topic is already covered by a thread. That's why we broke the theories section down into groups so the searching would be easier on everyone instead of 13 pages worth of theories.

I think the knife example was to demonstrate the fear of the unknown. No one knew anything about transmission other than it had to do with blood contact (per Riley's story on the ride to the tower). And with Saul having pieces of bottle removed from his back and driving around shirtless before encountering Latch/Scratch, I think he survived sans bite.

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One tip is to look back through the pages to see if a topic is already covered by a thread. That's why we broke the theories section down into groups so the searching would be easier on everyone instead of 13 pages worth of theories.

I think the knife example was to demonstrate the fear of the unknown. No one knew anything about transmission other than it had to do with blood contact (per Riley's story on the ride to the tower). And with Saul having pieces of bottle removed from his back and driving around shirtless before encountering Latch/Scratch, I think he survived sans bite.

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Thanks, I didn't see that. Do you see it being revealed that some people are immune to the infection?

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Originally Posted by kernelsploit

Thanks, I didn't see that. Do you see it being revealed that some people are immune to the infection?

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No worries. Happens all the time. :) (dirty secret: Happens to me too and I am the most pissy about double threads around here)

Possible. Not likely in my opinion but possible. There are those out there far more familiar with the entirety of Zombie canon.....has any zombie story revealed someone to be immune from a zombie bite/scratch? It could be interesting to go down that route, but it does provide a glimmer of hope which usually aren't supposed to rear their head in a zombie apocalypse story. There's supposed to be no chance of survival. That's what kicked so much ass about the original Night of the Living Dead ending.

"You survived your ordeal with the zombies what are you going to do now?"

"I'm going to Disney Wo*BAM!*"

An example I can think of is a movie called "the vanguard"....spoilers below
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The creator of the virus that turned the populous made his sons blood the anti virus, meaning...if he was bitten.. The biter would return to normal

That said, I don't believe it's the case here...luck? Yes. Immunity?....doubtful

i'm going with this theory:

Saul and Tanya do have a resistance to the infection, not a natural one but as i'm a believer that the infection is some kind of weaponized form of rabies (with one of the symptoms the production of large quantities of saliva) and tanya being vet, i'm guessing that she has received the rabies vaccine before Saul was born and this past exposure to this drug has aided resistance to the complete infection

I think its time we got back to this thread, especially because of Tanya's reaction to going to the "weed" to be checked. Clearly she has something to hide (also shown in one of the previous chapters where she is wearing a coat "because shes cold" and refuses Michael's offer of a space heater) this means she's prolly bitten or has a suspicious injury of some sort.

Does anyone remember any other suspicious behavior from her? or when she could have been bitten? Could it have been way back when she was being dragged off by Randy? if so, the chance of her having an immunity is high IMO. If it was more recent than that, there is still the chance that she's immune but there's also the chance that she's just a slow turner.

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Originally Posted by Pfargtle

Could it have been way back when she was being dragged off by Randy? if so, the chance of her having an immunity is high IMO. If it was more recent than that, there is still the chance that she's immune but there's also the chance that she's just a slow turner.

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Something also to consider. What if it isn't immunity exactly, but just a resistance to being turned. Perhaps slow turners are just infected individuals with a higher resistance, so the infection takes longer to surface and take over.

also I just realized that in an earlier chapter (in the colony episodes) Michael mentions a bandage on Tanya's arm and she says that she burned it in surgery. this is prolly what shes trying to hide. so if it was a bite, it would mean she's a veeerrryyy slow turner. and shes hiding any symptoms quite well unless the symptoms include saying "Snippy" a lot.

Snippy! Ha! I remember now about the "burn". Good call.

She gave Saul that drip that he had to take every few hours or something similar and she has access to a lot of drugs. It is possible that when she experimented with that guy who was a slow turner that she figured out how she could control the symptoms/slow the process down and she is taking that medication and has given it to Saul. She may be now experiencing more symptoms (wearing a jacket and saying she is cold) because she didn't have time to get the medication/get enough to last her long enough when the tower collapsed. Also if it is a rabies mutation then she probably knew quite a bit about it being a vet which could have helped her figure it out.

Could it have been possible that the medication included some type of animal DNA thing. Tanya is a vet and is used to handling animal drugs... I guess that goes along twitch the immunity thing

Tanya is a vet and she has been experimenting..on herself 1st prolly. I think anyone she can get her hands on she is immunizing them or something..that is y Riley is being detained and Tanya KNOWS what is up.

I think it was a user by the name of TASM that had mentioned their ethnicity being a possible explanation to their apparent immunity/resilience to the virus. I don't want to go that route, but it is a possibility. Though it seems likely we'd here about more black survivors and one that knew they were immune. But reading that idea that black people might have a bit more resistance to the virus got me thinking about Bill. He had an infection. It was due to the cut on his leg but we never heard how he got that cut. It could have been from a Zed in the building. He had to have come in contact with one or two since he was so very wary and cautious.

Arg! There are just so many possible reasons Saul could breathe while in the Haze.

this intrests me greatly, i had the same idea about the family line of tanya and saul being immune somehow, and thought with tanya's recent strange behaviour and refusal to go through the physical at irwin she may have been bitten on her arm and covered it... or she could have been innoculated from the drugs that saul is now taking, hence when/if she was snatched/bitten by randi she was fine afterwards.
i think she doesnt want the soldiers at irwin to discover her wounds for fear of execution or eviction, not that she's turning...

Saul was able to breath at ground zero. Med drip was suggested. As far as being immune because of race? I wondered that too. Interesting idea. But so far how many black people have we met in this series?

This came up in chat room but I don't think Hero put it in here yet. CJ said the medications must have something to do with why he is not getting sick. She does not know HOW he was wounded. She has no reason to think that he might have come in contact with zombie blood so it makes sense she would say the medicine must be the difference between Saul and Victor and given her keeping all the secrets I don't expect either of the two to volunteer THAT information.
As far as race making them immune I can't think that months after the initial outbreak no one noticed this yet. More likely there is some sort of resistance not an outright immunity that they have.

Just throwing this out there.

Does anyone remember the Jake Gyllenhall movie "Jarhead"? The solders were given untested drugs, just in case Saddam used sarin gas or something. What if that had something to do with Saul's not getting sick @ ground zero. So that would make Michael immune too. Not so sure about Angel, because he has never been in Iraq or Afghanistan. Of course the simplest theory is that the antibiotics are making him immune.

raven has a good point that it may just be a resistnace and not immunity, think back to tommy turning, he had a gash on his neck and came into contact with Z blood after burt put a hole throught the jumper in the tower! he didnt turn straight away, he got angry/frustrated with auntie kelly first, it took longer than a few minutes as riley described in the early chapter.
Saul has come into direct contact with zombies from day one so maybe the more time spent near/killing the more resistant you become?!?
if the anti-biotics are protecting Saul we will find out in the next episode im sure, but why the fuss over tanya, the story line hasnt mentioned her using them and why would she? there must be a link bewtween the tinks!!!

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Originally Posted by GeneTwo

Does anyone remember the Jake Gyllenhall movie "Jarhead"? The solders were given untested drugs, just in case Saddam used sarin gas or something. What if that had something to do with Saul's not getting sick @ ground zero. So that would make Michael immune too. Not so sure about Angel, because he has never been in Iraq or Afghanistan. Of course the simplest theory is that the antibiotics are making him immune.

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I don't think it's likely that Saul would have gotten the anti-nerve agent drugs, though Michael may have. I know the anti-nerve agent drugs were definitly given to troops during the 1991 Iraq War and may have been given during the 2003 Invasion of Iraq. I don't think it was given to soldiers that deployed to Iraq after 2003, or to anyone that served in Afghanistan. We know that Michael was in Iraq around the time of the 2003 Invasion since he said that he helped create the Iraq "most wanted playing cards" that came out right after the invasion. There weren't any clues about when Saul was deployed, but his old unit, 10th Mountain Division, was only deployed to Afghanistan, never to Iraq.

One thing we may be forgetting as far as immunizing things given in the army is the small-pox vaccine. When Michael brings the photo of Saul to Tanya, she recognizes the typical immunization scar/pattern associated with it. this is an immunization that Michael Saul and Angel would have all received. Tanya might have... anyways, its another theory.

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Originally Posted by Pfargtle

I think its time we got back to this thread, especially because of Tanya's reaction to going to the "weed" to be checked. Clearly she has something to hide (also shown in one of the previous chapters where she is wearing a coat "because shes cold" and refuses Michael's offer of a space heater) this means she's prolly bitten or has a suspicious injury of some sort.

Does anyone remember any other suspicious behavior from her? or when she could have been bitten? Could it have been way back when she was being dragged off by Randy? if so, the chance of her having an immunity is high IMO. If it was more recent than that, there is still the chance that she's immune but there's also the chance that she's just a slow turner.

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In the same scene where Micheal offers the heater she states that she has to keep moving. She, also, kept running back and forth to Micheal's room and and seemed pretty hyper. Other than that, she's always been a bit mean and obnoxious like.

I don't think Tanya or Saul are immune at all. Tanya's extreme reaction to the examination was because of her experiences at the Colony. I believe that Tanya was going to be banished/executed from the Colony. They were going to kill her because she had bite scars.

Tanya is a veterinarian. I would think that throughout her career, every once in a while she would be bitten or scratched and that would leave scars. Tanya must have been examined by the Colony and been marked for death. The only thing that saved her was the Colony's need for medical personnel.

What would happen if Fort Irwin or the Commander found out that Tanya had bite scars?

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Originally Posted by GeneTwo

I don't think Tanya or Saul are immune at all. Tanya's extreme reaction to the examination was because of her experiences at the Colony. I believe that Tanya was going to be banished/executed from the Colony. They were going to kill her because she had bite scars.

Tanya is a veterinarian. I would think that throughout her career, every once in a while she would be bitten or scratched and that would leave scars. Tanya must have been examined by the Colony and been marked for death. The only thing that saved her was the Colony's need for medical personnel.

What would happen if Fort Irwin or the Commander found out that Tanya had bite scars?

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Soooo...are you still sticking with her not being immune, after todays episode?

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Originally Posted by Pandora

Soooo...are you still sticking with her not being immune, after todays episode?

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Heck yea! Well Tanya said "You dont understand" when they put her under. I would bet the doctors found the bite scar (from an animal bite) and since she is sedated she cannot explain.

Okay... Why didnt Randy bite her? You dont understand would definitely apply to being immune too...dont cha think?
She was all messed up too...she was 'up and working already' REALLY fast. I have read everything Zombie...I am pretty sure she is immune, I am going to go a little farther with it too..I think some badass perks comes with having 'partial Z virus'

I'm starting to wonder about Tanya and Saul's "immunity". She may not be immune, but she may be one of them on a genetic level. I lost my tinfoil hat.

Hope is the answer I reckon.