Anyone ever wonder how the maulers raided everything so quickly?

I was just re-listening to the series from chapter 1, and I found it very odd how everything was already raided the first time Saul and Angel went out for supplies. I believe it was about 3 or 4 days since the outbreak that they went out. Even though that is a decent amount of time for anyone to raid something. It seems that the maulers were organized way earlier then the tower.

My second theory on this is when Saul and Angel found Burt, He said that his store had been raided before he even got there. And I'm guessing (knowing Burt) that his store is the first place he went to after the outbreak happened. So I'm guessing less then a day. And it is confirmed that the maulers were there because they had his weapons.

It might be nothing or I'm looking at it too much, but I think its odd that everything was raided so quickly. Especially because there had to be time between the outbreak and Scratch going to the prison to release every inmate. Some things just don't add up to me.

It could just be that everyone and there grandma raided everything the second the outbreak happened, but still iffy.


*On a side note, Was it stated yet who had Burt's combination to get into his safe that only he knew?

The mallers have numbers when the whole thing started, they probably had well over 100, prly 200. And they don't need organization to loot and raid stores. The moment they were free, they probably went wild and took everything they could get their hands on.

Burt's small safe was broken into by a safecracker, probably one of the mallers.

Alright, I figured as much, Was just a little tooken back by how quick it all went down

I think there may be a couple of factors at work, with the Mallers just being one.

First, downtown LA isn't as full of stores as you might think. There are lots of little strip malls, convenience stores, bodegas and restaurants, but very few supermarkets or big-box stores. Those are out along the Freeways and off in the suburban neighborhoods. So that means that any large stores The Tower crew went to were prime targets for the Mallers, who may have had a day or two head start on their looting.

Second, we already know that zombies scavange for food in the stores. What if this just started earlier than we thought. The downtown LA streets were bare of survivors just a couple of hours after the start of the event. That means by the end of Day 1 there were a lot of zombies in that area, and very little in the way of a remaining food supply for them. If even a small percentage were "Smart Ones" and they started scavenging in the stores to eat, then they could have done a lot of the damage that was attributed to the Mallers.

I figure there is something much deeper than we have been told. But, I also accept creative license as the reason. The base got hit around 11:00.say they hangout there for two hours. In about 4hours pretty much all of LA is gone. They did not get out by plane train or automobile. Every freeway is blocked. In a traffic jam like that, it is not the tail of the snake that gets stuck. It is the head that and then the tail forms.

As for stuff, figure that the stores are full of everything 5million people need for a week. If it all got looted, it is still within the extended city limits because no one got out. I had a friend working in Manhatten. Not in the trade center, but he has pictures of the city streets filled with people. All heading North for blocks and blocks and blocks.

But, as I have said before, there are friggin zombies running 50 miles per hour, so I am willing to acceptvsome creative license

I do kind of agree with you Arthur, all of that stuff has to be somewhere, I assume groups like the Colony or the Maulers have a great deal of it, but in no way was the whole city looted within that short time frame

One thing.. It's LA. They loot in LA just because.
2nd thing is DURAI! A prison is already going to have a pecking order. If Durai wasn't the man, then he was near the top and probably killed his competition.
3rd thing is DURAI!
4th thins is DURAI!

Get where I'm going with this? If we've learned anything, it's that he's very organized and PROACTIVE. I believe that whatever ammo they got from the prison then Burt's store was used up offing the competition, the ones that didn't want to play ball and the zombies they encountered during the first couple days.
Remember the grocery store Angel and Saul hid in? They said it looked basically like a war had happened inside because off all the holes in the bodies.

Yea, it could be. But, I am not sure people can comprehend the logistis for a city of 5,000,000 people. We are looking at

~750Tons of food / 1 million people / day

to feed each with ~1,700 Calories.

Another way, say there are 500 survivors and LA had 5,000,000 people and stores were stocked for 7 days of food. If the current 500 looted everything and distributed equally each survivor would have 70,000 Days or ~190 years of food. Collecting that much food is a wicked pain in the ass and trying to convince people that have already collected 1 year of food -- probably more food they have ever seen in their lives -- to keep collecting ~190 times more of it. We have not even raided the canned goods in people's houses.

Now that they have it, where are they going to put it? ~ 25,000 tons of food. Say a Big Rig can haul 10 tons. That is 2,500 semi trucks.

Yea, the zombies may eat some human food. But, assuming a 10% zombification, (1 out of ten people turns into a zombie) each zombie can eat one entire body a day for the next five days before they start eating human food. How much does a zombie eat? Hell, I do not know. But, I am not trying to put a 100pound woman in my belly. Hell, look what a five pound. baby does to a pregnant woman. Call it ten pounds after placenta and fluid. Now, multiply it by 20 because she just ate an average dude. Evan Fat Albert would say, wow, that is a lot of food and I am talking the old cartoon, not the movie remake. The only way they are running faster than us is by rolling themselves downhill.

Just suspend some disbelief.

If you do not, things get crazy. On the other hand, if you want to make an easy parody of something. Mix some true facts, with things that cant really happen.

I can see it now. Ten of the Maller dudes, riding around in forklifts through the store knocking shit over. Every once in a while they play bumper cars to try and trap the other maller dude they do not like so the zombies eat him instead. But, here comes a 1,600 pound zombie with an 1,400 pound belly after eating a person a day for the last seven days. But, here comes Lardo. He was fat to begin with and really hungry. He eats 2 people a day. 3,000 pounds of blubber, but he gets stuck in the revolving door! No more zombies can get in. The mallers do their best imitation of Dead Rising to loot the store. Gotta have a sexy scene. So, one of the mallers drops in the latest sports illustrated swim suit blue ray disk. The mallers stop dead in their tracks as gorgeous bikini-clad women are presented on 20 Big Screen HDTVs. We cannot be sexist, so over on the other side, the women have the latest body building video, or Fabio, or josh tesh or whatever floats their boat in 2011. Durai comes in and starts yelling to get moving. He is all pimped out in a hat and fur coat. Sweating like a pig because it is friggin 95degrees out.

Meh, tough crowd. I thought it was funny

Dude, that comment had too many number in it for me. ROFL!
I haven't been through a hurricane yet, but people here say that the local grocery stores get cleaned out fast as hell. When you can't get resupplied, then what you have is what you have.

We're talking about the same people who've grabbed f'n firetrucks to use among other things.. who the hell woulda thunk that?

[QUOTE=HaveCrowBarWillTravel;20855]Dude, that comment had too many number in it for me. ROFL! QUOTE]

Hah, I thought that too.

But for real, I believe that yes a good amount the the food / supplies would of been raided yes, but all of it? I know that it is prob what we are thinking and just the maulers / looting but it is something that could be looked into.

CJ's group of survivors from the 'other tower' were also carrying out supply runs as well

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Originally Posted by Ra1th

Burt's small safe was broken into by a safecracker, probably one of the mallers.

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i assumed that was done by Latch, thats how he got his nickname - as he had a skill in opening things.... just my guess

I completely forgot about the colony there for a second but yeah, they are a factor as well

The Colony is most likely not a factor in the raiding of LaLa Land. They are too far south, and they were staying close originally because that was an evac site for two or three days I believe. And during those two or three days they were under constant attack. So that burns their time raiding LA by being trapped by zombies hoping for a way out.

The Mallers may have taken care of a good many number of the areas near them and LAX. However, I don't think that every single solitary store that got raided in LA was at the hand of the Mallers. If nothing else, there has got to be way too many stores for the Mallers to take care of by themselves. 200 people or not, you aren't sending out all 200 mallers on scavenging missions at once, especially not if they have taken slaves that they have to keep track of.

If you fan it out from the mall, and take into account breaking them out would have taken at least half a day what's being said is the mallers made it around 25 miles and scavenged every single store in between the Mall and Locked and Loaded. That doesn't seem all that plausible to me. It's just way too much ground to cover. Even if you narrow the window to stores between the Tower and Locked and Loaded (the route that Angel and Saul took to find Burt) that's still a lot of ground to cover (traveling from the Mall to the Tower area, and then starting to scavenge seems....not right to me at all)

My guess, because I can't think of it happening in any other way, is Scratch is the one who jacked Burt's wall safe full of stuff before she got to Eastern Bay to break everyone out. All the damage had been done before Burt got there, so Scratch must live on the East side of the city to get to Locked and Loaded before Burt could, steal a bunch of stuff, and leave Burt to be trapped in the bathroom. As for the rest of the stores? Well, we've met/know of at least 4 sizable groups of survivors. How many more groups were out there that we don't know about?

Add into that fact: The panic that occurs when riots break out. People make mad dashes for things to 1) Stock up and Prepare for the worst or 2) Go to a store in hopes of being able to cop some free stuff because everyone is distracted.

It makes sense that Scratch would raid Burt's gun store before releasing the prisoners at Eastern Bay. She would want to stock up on weapons and ammo before undertaking such a risky attack, and she must certainly have seen the need for weapons in the immediate aftermath of the breakout. I suppose she could have conducted the robbery by herself, but it's also possible that she had a gang of accomplices working with her (families of other prisoners?). This could all have been part of a plan developed well in advance, just in case she had the opportunity to break Latch out someday; the sudden breakdown in law and order during the zombie outbreak gave her the chance to put her plan into action.

hey guys new to the forums . When a large scale incident happens, the first thing everyone does is horde. Just look how food and other supplies fly off the shelves during a major storm or other natural disaster. People focus on personal survival, so shelves empty fast. If the survivors went house to house they would have a much better chance of getting supplies. Also the thing with the mallers is way, way off base. During a crisis like a pandemic or whatever, all jails and prisons are locked down hard and fast. In the real world not like in Louisiana, there would be a prison full of corpses right now.

My question is about all the PMC or private military contractors running around LA. There are dozens if not hundreds of contractors, body guards and other armed security, with plenty of fast reactionary forces to secure a building. Or exfiltrate their primary to a more secure location, leaving behind highly skilled, armed and motivated people to secure a secondary structure. Man that was a lot, sorry didn’t mean to get long winded.

The Maller's came from from the prison, So who knows who survived. The first couple of days there probably would have been mass looting anyway. Besides the Tower just kinda sat around and did nothing but squabble. But who knows if the Maller's did it all.

I don't subscribe to the idea that the stores were emptied during the events at the start of the story. It takes time for people to get to the store and engage in panic buying, even more time for mobs to form to loot them. But we know that most people were overwhelmed in the first hours of the zombie onslaught, so they would have never had the chance to do any of this.

However, it just occurred to me that about two-thirds of the survivors living in The Tower are people who had survived the initial zombie onslaught, and were attracted to The Tower because they saw Pegs' sign, "We're Alive". So that means that there were 20+ people who survived the initial wave who were close enough to The Tower to see the sign and willing to take the risk to check it out.

That isn't much of a survival rate, but it's a lot higher than what I'd been imagining. If these results were typical then there were probably thousands of other survivors holed up around LA in the days following the attack. Before long they would have had to venture out for food and supplies. Add that to the looting being done by the Other Tower, the Mallers and, I still contend, hungry zombies who remember that you go to grocery stores to get food, and it makes more sense that the stores would have been depleted by the time The Tower crew started scavanging.

The Mallers have two things they are doing besides raiding. First, they were taking fuel trucks. We already know that early on they were collecting fuel trucks for an attack on the arena (This does mean that they already knew about the Arena.). Second, The Mallers are/ were creating zombies for recreational purposes. Those are two majorly weird things. We know that the Mallers had been to Locked and Loaded prior to Angel and Saul. They took over a freaking MALL, meaning that they have plenty of food from shops/restaurants. It doesn't give them a lot of time, food wise, but enough for about a day or two. Also, we already know that the ZOMBIES eat anything edible, including dog food.

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Originally Posted by Th3_T3ch

Second, The Mallers are/ were creating zombies for recreational purposes.

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Where do you get that information from?

And they took over a strip mall, meaning there isn't necessarily a food court there. Most strip malls have stores that are all connected on the outside, but there's no internal space/way to get from store to store.

A lot of the time all that separates the business is a non-load bearing cinder block wall. Bricks and a sledge hammer could open each strip in less then a day.

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Where do you get that information from?

And they took over a strip mall, meaning there isn't necessarily a food court there. Most strip malls have stores that are all connected on the outside, but there's no internal space/way to get from store to store.

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I pictured the strip mall like the one by me, where there is a parking lot in the middle and all the stores surround the parking lot, like its all outside and open besides a wall of stores. And yeah, there is no food court or any food place at this strip mall.

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

Where do you get that information from?

And they took over a strip mall, meaning there isn't necessarily a food court there. Most strip malls have stores that are all connected on the outside, but there's no internal space/way to get from store to store.

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20-3 Scratch says "... feed your ass to the sisters" and again in the same episode Tardust talks about Johny (A.K.A. Latch) getting burns on half his body and how he would "hate for him to miss out on meeting you".

That is two clear references to zombie-making by the mallers. Everybody ignored that on the forums because it's the same episode where Lizzy almost gets raped

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Originally Posted by Th3_T3ch

20-3 Scratch says "... feed your ass to the sisters" and again in the same episode Tardust talks about Johny (A.K.A. Latch) getting burns on half his body and how he would "hate for him to miss out on meeting you".

That is two clear references to zombie-making by the mallers. Everybody ignored that on the forums because it's the same episode where Lizzy almost gets raped

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We didn't ignore that. There were assumptions made about who the sisters were. They are in reference to "The Sisters" from Shawshank Redemption: aggressive rapists in the prison system. Kc confirmed this.

And he also confirmed that Johnny is not the same as Latch. Latch is dead. Johnny got messed up and disfigured in the war. But he is not a zombie. And the reason Johnny would hate missing Lizzy is its because of her and the tower that Johnny got messed up and it is implied he would like to extract a measure of revenge.

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

The Colony is most likely not a factor in the raiding of LaLa Land. They are too far south, and they were staying close originally because that was an evac site for two or three days I believe. And during those two or three days they were under constant attack. So that burns their time raiding LA by being trapped by zombies hoping for a way out.

The Mallers may have taken care of a good many number of the areas near them and LAX. However, I don't think that every single solitary store that got raided in LA was at the hand of the Mallers. If nothing else, there has got to be way too many stores for the Mallers to take care of by themselves. 200 people or not, you aren't sending out all 200 mallers on scavenging missions at once, especially not if they have taken slaves that they have to keep track of.

If you fan it out from the mall, and take into account breaking them out would have taken at least half a day what's being said is the mallers made it around 25 miles and scavenged every single store in between the Mall and Locked and Loaded. That doesn't seem all that plausible to me. It's just way too much ground to cover. Even if you narrow the window to stores between the Tower and Locked and Loaded (the route that Angel and Saul took to find Burt) that's still a lot of ground to cover (traveling from the Mall to the Tower area, and then starting to scavenge seems....not right to me at all)

My guess, because I can't think of it happening in any other way, is Scratch is the one who jacked Burt's wall safe full of stuff before she got to Eastern Bay to break everyone out. All the damage had been done before Burt got there, so Scratch must live on the East side of the city to get to Locked and Loaded before Burt could, steal a bunch of stuff, and leave Burt to be trapped in the bathroom. As for the rest of the stores? Well, we've met/know of at least 4 sizable groups of survivors. How many more groups were out there that we don't know about?

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NIK,
You're shooting holes in my Mallers Raid Theory I see. I see what you're saying and yes, 200 plus folk couldn't possibly hit all the stores, but they could hit the largest ones if it was coordinated from the start, which I believe Durai was/is capable of doing.
The only other bone I have with your comment is about Scratch hitting the safe. The only thing I see wrong with that is that she didn't have ammo for the weapon she took. IF, it were just her, then she would have picked a weapon that had ammo available.

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NIK,
You're shooting holes in my Mallers Raid Theory I see. I see what you're saying and yes, 200 plus folk couldn't possibly hit all the stores, but they could hit the largest ones if it was coordinated from the start, which I believe Durai was/is capable of doing.
The only other bone I have with your comment is about Scratch hitting the safe. The only thing I see wrong with that is that she didn't have ammo for the weapon she took. IF, it were just her, then she would have picked a weapon that had ammo available.

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There was a lot of time that passed between outbreak, and fueling station. Perhaps a month or so. If Scratch did take stuff from Locked and Loaded when I think she did, she would have to fight through the whole city, whatever prison guards remained etc etc. And for a fire happy group of people, she may have simply run out of ammo by the time we meet them.

I think Scratch was at the Prison when stuff happened, but running out of ammo is a damn good angle! LOL

Are you saying she was a "guest" there? Or she was there visiting? Because Kc said she wasn't incarcerated at the time of the outbreak.

q: Anyone ever wonder how the maulers raided everything so quickly?

a: The Tardis

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Are you saying she was a "guest" there? Or she was there visiting? Because Kc said she wasn't incarcerated at the time of the outbreak.

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Ok, my theory again in a nutshell:

Outbreak happens in the AM-Noonish. By the time Mike and crew leave the Armory the streets are already deserted. By the time they get to the apartment building, everyone has evacuated.

Outbreak kicks off during visiting hours at the prison. Scratch is there visiting latch. Now, this is a reason why there are other females with the mallers.
Things get hectic, the guards and whatnot decide to hell with everyone and bail. Scratch decides to rescue all the prisoners.
Durai takes charge because he's hip like that and starts organizing everyone. Teams for weapons, food and shelter are sent out!

There is really not enough time to loot. People are still pretty much in the dark at 11:00. Angel's radio was talking about a small riot or two, not get the eph out of Dodge. Zombies hit Bell around 11. Maybe they stay at the base for an hour, but when they do drive back out, Everybody is gone. The populace did not drive out of LA, because the roads are jammed. If the stores were looted, and the people did not get out, than LA, is just one big picnic with lots of food scattered over all the roads.

I did not just pull the numbers out of my ass. They are a close approximation of what I remember from the studying the logistics of the Berlin Air lift.

RE: firetruck Not just the water it has, but its ability to refill itself with water. How many swimming pools are there in LA? Each one is great source for grey water.

Here is another idea. I have so many of them, that I do not want to pour them out. People already probably label me a spammer.

Operation, Snow Drift.
If you go to any large shopping center in the North East, they will have some front-end loaders/earth movers to move and stack the snow. Yes, I know there is not much snow in LA, but there or something similar has to be scattered about.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tylerkellen/4441481384/

You do not have to fully clear the roads, just one lane or so. Do not opt for the highways unless one has to. Local roads probably have less congestion. And I bet the concrete stream beds are even less congested.

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We didn't ignore that. There were assumptions made about who the sisters were. They are in reference to "The Sisters" from Shawshank Redemption: aggressive rapists in the prison system. Kc confirmed this.

And he also confirmed that Johnny is not the same as Latch. Latch is dead. Johnny got messed up and disfigured in the war. But he is not a zombie. And the reason Johnny would hate missing Lizzy is its because of her and the tower that Johnny got messed up and it is implied he would like to extract a measure of revenge.

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I was unaware that Kc made those confirmations, that doesn't seem like him to give away a part of the story. Thank you for telling me this, but still the Sisters are Maller controlled zombies. Or at least some variation of a people eater.