Discuss the episode here....and now!....well not now...it's 8:30am on the East coast....it hasn't been released yet but...
...Oh you know what I mean.
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Discuss the episode here....and now!....well not now...it's 8:30am on the East coast....it hasn't been released yet but...
...Oh you know what I mean.
Holy crap! That ending was crazy! This will definitely be the beginning of a war between the Tower and the Colony. This is going to be absolutely crazy!
HAHA! And I so predicted the Maller's and Colony together!
Tower and the Colony?Quote:
Originally Posted by j0be
wait....how is this the start of a War between the Colony and the Tower?Quote:
Originally Posted by j0be
This is where I said Mallers+Colony. The gatekeeper said "Scratch will know what to do with her" at the end of this episode. Pretty sure that means there is involvement between the colony and mallers.Quote:
Originally Posted by j0be
They just took Lizzy captive, and once the Tower finds out about it, there will be some form of repercussions.
That wasn't gatekeeper. Though I can understand why you would be confused. They did sound somewhat similar in their speech pattern. I think I heard his name was Bricks or something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by j0be
Edit: The other guy that had the hand cuffs was named Bricks.
Huh, it struck me right away as gatekeeper. But now that I've re-listened to it, I may be wrong. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Also, Bricks was the subordinate.
According to KC and the Wiki pages he created, the two Mallers Lizzy encountered were called Bricks and Tardust. Tardust had the taser, and Bricks had the handcuffs and the list of run aways....Quote:
Originally Posted by j0be
Which is interesting. Evidently things aren't going so well at the Strip mall these days. There are run aways that are being rounded up and taken back to be punished. Seems like an awful waste of resources.
Bleh. I'm wrong. The voices sounded similar. Bleh.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
In a few pieces, you'll be able to tell them apart. He's only been on the scene for about a minute.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
I've been spoiled with 20+ minute chapters, but I'm satisfied with my weekly fix.
Awesome work on the sound effects. I noted stuff like foot falls, crunching of glass/dirt, and general body movements overlapping during Lizzy's scene. Well done. I also felt that the transition shift for Burt coming off his high horse seemed natural.
Seriously. As soon as I heard "Scratch", I thought... Uh Oh, Spaghettios....
CRAP!!!! poor lizzy
Definitely. This scenario actually played out amazingly considering that it could have easily alienated a core cast member.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombiehead
My words exactly. I forsee another huge fight between the mallers and the tower. Only this time, I'm going to think...Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperSerge76
My predictions:
(read the spoiler for my thoughts)SPOILER
I hate how you do this to me KC, but we all must be masochists or something, because we wait on the edge of our seats every week for the next episode.
You don't have to use the spoiler tags in chapter discussions. Spoilers are allowed here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meeks
Here's what I think is likely to help along the eventual exchange of Lizzy from the Mallers: Thank Pegs. Pegs (by way of Angel) returned Latch's body to the Mallers. It still may not make them all buddy buddy, but I bet that Pegs desire to return Latch to the Mallers is going to play out in a positive manner for the Tower as they seek out Lizzy.
This will definitely play a role.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Omg, this episode was just amazing, i just kept repeating "Oh my god, Oh my god,..." After hearing this episode i think that the mole was actually Steven
cause of his dedication to kicking Lizzie out (Just a hunch). feel realy sorry for Burt..., though this
chapter did prove some peoples theory on how Burt was going to step down as leader. The part where
Lizzie start vlogging reminded me of "127 hours" which got me to think that shes going to struggle to survive.
The guy who captured Lizzie sounds an awful lot like Gatekeeper... maybe there brothers?
Though i think this episode shows that theres going to be a hostage senario kind of thing in the following chapters. Though what i find wierd is
how Tatu seemed oblivious to the fact that Lizzy was gone when he went to greet Michael and the others in chapter 19 part 3.
Tatu is a band, but yeah it seemed odd how blase EVERYONE was about Lizzy being kicked out at the end of 19-3 (including Datu)Quote:
Originally Posted by icepatrol
Funny how they said Scratch will know what to do and not Dauri....
Interesting, very interesting. I couldn't have predicted that it was through Lizzie's disappearance that we'd finally get a follow up with the Mallers. I would be interested to see if Scratch has changed somewhat since we last heard from her, and if she will take the act of good will by Pegs (Through Angel), into account.
Steven may be the mole, but somehow I'm not sure. I'm not certain if he was merely a plot device to cause a transistion of leadership between Burt and Michael, or if he has any further involvement down the line. He almost had too many lines in this episode to be a minor character...
Oh! We should remove this post from going in there. Nik, can you exclude it?Quote:
Originally Posted by j0be
Listening to the dialogue going on in this chapter got me thinking about the Colony structure. Going back to Chapter 19, Gatekeeper was their pre-Tommy-death Kelly. As suspected before, Marcus' words start to make more sense, at least from his position. Seeing as how they have "contracts" for all persons present, I'm sensing that's a result of getting too many, too fast. Considering he was using a lie to stay in power, things got more difficult with more people making it harder to show leniency in cases like Lizzy's when you have someone constantly challenging the rules. I think Marcus was doing what he had to do to keep the Colony moving but he knew loyalties were strained. The more people you have the more problems occur. He wanted someone with experience and who was a natural leader like Michael to take some of the burden and keep people happy and maintain balance.
Wow great episode. I totally thought "Tardust" was Gatekeeper and there was a joint Mallers + Colony thing going on. Excited to see how this chapter plays out.
Great episode! Opens up a lot of new questions too... Now we'll get to see the creepy inner workings of strip mall "land"!
I love Pegs, but I'm hoping Scratch will say "Lizzy for Pegs."Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryzilient
I'll poke around and see what I can do about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
I thought that too. But I still want to believe Durai is still alive. And until I'm told otherwise, I have to believe he is. Much like there's still the possibility that Marcus alive...just in reverse.Quote:
Originally Posted by timberwoof
That would be an amazing chapter ending cliff hanger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombiehead
I think Scratch being mentioned hints towards one of two things : Either Durai got usurped after the humiliation of the tower attack, as, although it can't been seen as a victory for either side, Durai was humiliated in the way he dealt with the situation, and Scratch was probably in line to replace him after her deeds during the initial outbreak(getting the mallers out of the prison). However, not everyone would have agreed with Scratch's leadership and therefore they became "runaways".
The other possibility is that Scratch is now working with the colony, having left the Mallers after the attack on the tower or another event we don't know about, and is now working to recapture the deserters after the coup, the only reason I feel this is a possibility is that the two mallers/colonists were surprised that Lizzy had a gun, and I don't envision such tight restriction on guns in the mallers camp in comparison to the colony, who had a very tight lockdown on weapons, and therefore guns would be easier to come by for fleeing Mallers.
Angel going back to bed with the simple "OK" was how his actions were interpreted by Datu. It's not necessarily how it happened in real time...its just how Datu happened to see the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
That being said, intriguing. Very very intriguing.
even if thats how datu interpreted it, he still went back to bed without looking into the situation, not very AngelicQuote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
hey u know what the title of the chapter is, and you know first hand they ALWAYS have double meanings, and this chapter feels like its gonna be jam packed, with stuff no room for victor and kelly out here
I'm sooo stoked for Angel right now! if that is what actually happened!!! :D:D:D:D
Brown chicken brown cow... Sorry the whole Angle-Riley thing.
You're completely right. I was playing devil's advocate to your Angel fan-boyness. It appears that Angel and Riley could be the double meaning of the chapter title, unless something else comes along. And honestly, we're set up for lots of stuff to happen right now...I have a hard time figuring out how a relationship fits into the storyline.....So maybe Angel/Riley might very well be the big happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
I think this chapter is one of the instances(possibly the first?) that proves how subjective the Journals are in relation to personal interpretation, it also sets up the stage for people possibly lying in their Journals, which could possibly have a good payoff when the traitor is revealed.
My two cents on this chapter:
I like how Lizzy took one for the team and allowed Burt to save face. Having said that, Burt should simply had said "She's not going" and that's that. Sorry Ra1th, but Angel isn't strong enough to back him up. Proof of that is him crying about being considered for the leadership position. Angel is a good manager but not a leader.
They would have been better off coming up with a plan for her to live in the "Sweat Test" building next door. I know I wouldn't go too far.
I like the double fed issue with the M16. One prime reason that carbine ain't for the faint of heart in the field.
Lots to talk about here!
Durai: I simply think that this is a matter of Scratch having more to do with the Tower than Durai. In the long run of things, who would be more eager to see one of the Tower residents in their hands? The girl whose brother got killed.
Lizzy: I can't imagine she walked too far from the Tower. It was a day of travel which was also filled with her finding food. Which gets me to thinking: exactly how much of the Mallers died in the War? Obviously, a lot died. Not enough to not bring down the essential structure. If that's the case, why haven't there been other instances of fighting? Sure, because they got their asses handed to them, this is more just me rambling off.
Saul: Saul's big return is coming soon. He has the biggest attachment to Lizzy. The quest to get Lizzy wouldn't be as heartfelt if Saul's not there. Hopefully this next part will be half of what's happening to Lizzy and half of the Tanya/Saul story.
Although it has already been disproved, the way I interpreted the scene was that 'Brick' and "Stardust' were two grunts from the colony who were looking for 'runners' who must have run away during the 'shoot-out'. When they said 'Scratch will know what to do' I just assumed that the gatekeeper was one of the mallers who had been sent to the Colony to take it over from the inside and that now the Colony was under complete maller control. We know that mallers aren't happy with staying in a 'mall' anyway.
Anyway, Stephen sounds like a new candidate for the 'mole'.