Think about it, Tokyo, Mexico City, NY, Shanghai, Moscow... all of these are some of the biggest cities in the world. So what is happening there. It was around evening when the outbreak began in LA. These cities are always full of people wandering the streets, so how bad do you guys think it is?
Any major city will be completely decimated if something like this were to happen. New York especially would be a blood bath. New Yorkers by nature don't really notice what's going on around them unless it's truly eye catching. By the time they'd notice something, it might be too late. We honestly are always told to look for terrorists and suspicious packages that I know I'd probably not notice a wave of zombies coming up behind me....
....also probably because I'd be listening to We're Alive as I was walking and wouldn't hear them coming....
But back to the question: I feel like there's pockets of survivors in every major city in the world. Someone would be able to out last that initial onslaught (ha!) and probably hold up somewhere and be safe. Staten Island (as much as we all make fun of it) would be one of the safest places to start the apocalypse because it is off there on its own and would require more travel time to get to (assuming the outbreak starts in Manhattan). That or Liberty Island, but Liberty Island isn't a place you could survive for long. Nothing there to sustain you.
Somewhere isolated and self-sufficient like Nepal might have a great deal of survivors.
Well here in Miami (city of nothing but warehouses) we're holed up behind hurrican shuddered walmarts and Sams clubs. Some have made it to hurricane shelters, not many, but enough. I do think people would actually be headed BACK to Cuba. ROFL!
Sounds like they must have destroyed every major city by now, but with three groups of survivors in a relatively small area, there must be hundreds or thousands of others. However, somewhere there is a horde on a military base, with the smart ones learning how to use tanks.
Well over here in the uk we would be pretty fucked because of our gun laws police oficers not carrying guns etc but some parts of scotland would be survivable due to being remote, people have there own guns for hunting eg deer. You would be pretty safe untill the food ran out. Maybe the 'zombies' wouldnt like the weather!
Shut up parts, I reckon the UK would have more time to react. possibly military re deployed to protect. if it was to get out of hand we would be in a bad position. Fast zombies are much more dangerous if you only have an axe to fight them off with. I reckon there must be quite a few Afghanistani survivors. unfortunately they're probably Taliban holding out in cave systems. Places like Shanghai with high population density would be very hard hit. I reckon you could create a community on the roofs of blocks flats and other buildings (gods gardeners style) if you connected them all and blocked of the entrances from the ground.
"decimated" means to reduce by 10 percent... i think the losses would be more like 99%
Places far away from any major airport or Highway would hold out for a very long time. Remote places like parts of Montana, the Dakotas, the UP in Michigan, the smaller Hawaiian islands.
- You'd have hundreds of cruise ships out during the initial outbreak.
- The Navy's of the word would be pretty well off because of the numbers of ships that will be underway
- Mongolia
- Many parts of Sub saharan Africa
- Isolated parts of Australia
- the greater NW part of WA state..
- North Korea
- People stuck on the runways of many airports and in the planes in holding patterns waiting to land
of course this is all my speculation
It interesting, many remote villages are dependant on supplies from other places so when the food already there runs out the survivors would have to travel long distances to get basic supplies. they also would have less experience fighting the infected than city dwellers and would suffer heavy losses because of this.
You have to remember that people in remote areas are more self sustainable. They're hunters, farmers and builders. Urbanites are more dependent on supplies because we don't need to have those skills. If we can't get it from Amazon.com, grocery stores or Target, we're pretty screwed.
As far as them having "less" experience.. flip that. They'll be more experienced at surviving period. They'll be more likely to own several fire arms or other weapons for hunting.
What about gang members, or people from other countries where they've survived armed conflict?Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
We're just talking these zombies, right? You had waves of people washing over the city like an infected tsunami with no warning sirens. The news was less than helpful--saying it was just riots etc. That's what made it so difficult. You would basically just have what you were seeing and hearing to react to with no guidance as to the best response. Maybe the people in remote areas would respond correctly, maybe not.
Something that just occurred to me, you have less people in the country but you have more big meat animals like cows to munch on.
Yeah, thats what I was saying about the people in conflicts in Afganistan. Bases of UN forces alive still? Taliban alive in their cave complexes :(.
I live in a remote area of Scotland. There are a few people with survival training and who are mostly self sufficient but most people up here travel the 2-3 hours to get their food from Tesco. It's true that their are far more remote places than a small village in the highlands but still, people are far to used to modern life.
So far in the series we have learned of at east four different groups of survivors (Michaels tower, Samantha's tower, the mallers and the colony) but who else is out there where are the military and where did the helicopters escort civilians to before the colony was formed? Please discuss.
We're probably going to make the rounds seeing what's going on as the series progresses running into any number of dystopias.
The thing that makes this podcast superior is the scenarios play out in different ways than the stereotypical neat wrap up hero's win type thing. I liked the dialog at the beginning too--very naturalistic, though it's getting less so.
You have the zombies, the survivors and the cause all making things interesting.
Yeah, the latest arc with the colony has been too much talking not enough Burt. I'm no sure in what form we will come across the place that people were evacuated to but it will be cool. Possibly they come across the place all burned down and with bodies everywhere. Or they are greeted with fresh eggs and bacon. Either way it seems like a cool end point for the whole series.
I hope we learn a little more about what caused it.
Would be good, I'm sure Kc will explain it some how. Really I'm more interested in what happens after, but it would be cool backgroung information to have.
I believe, as you guys have already said, that the more urbanized and/or overpopulated areas of the world would have been almost immediately affected if (or when) the virus got their from its supposed epicenter of San Francisco, leaving the more remote outposts of the world untouched. However, in places of the world in which it is both urban and highly populated, do you think that they would be more inclined to spread out or resort to simply attacking the other zombies? We already know that they will eat each other, but do you think that they would be more likely to resort to cannibalism as their primary source of food, or would they spread out in search of easier prey?
Thats an interesting point, possibly both? I'm sure in densely populated areas they would become very aggressive. I wonder though, can they BREED? If so the tower might as well commit mass suicide.
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Originally Posted by Eternal Winter
That's actually an interesting question. I would assume that they can. I mean, they are essentially human beings anatomically, and they do have animalistic instincts, so that's extraordinarily probable.Quote:
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Stop! Yer makin' my brain hurt!Quote:
Originally Posted by David Foley
We've seen how they are with the whole hunger thing, if they got sexual urges. Eep!
We're Alive:SVU.
Ha!
What I find interesting is there are no young children or very hardly mentioned, are those the little ones? As for the world, I think it's the same scenario all over with pockets of survivors here and there. My guess is that there are zombies that have adapted to the different environments all over. For all we know there could be whole different evolutionary process and it speeds up very quickly considering how fast the virus itself takes hold of a person.
Come to think of it, are they identifiable as male or female? Some of them have to be naked by now--especially the behemoths. Angel's girlfriend was a zombie so both sexes can be turned. But, I remember someone (Riley?) saying that the sweat made them salivate like her dog did when he was around a girl dog in heat. That seems like a re-purposing of the sex drive towards hunting/killing. If it's an engineered situation I suppose it will depend on the intention behind it.Quote:
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I did notice the lack of kids mentioned but I figured it was because it would be too graphic otherwise. I think story-wise it will be really interesting to see the different scenarios they find.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrScott101
I think they were all it about the same time as L.A. They were attacks by Terrorist, Foreign Country, or Religious Freaks. Wether they got wiped out (accidentally or otherwise) is still up in the air.
Proof:
DVR
1. It mentions that similar "riots" were happening in majors cities around the world.
2. Everything recorded even an hour latter was nothing but static. (unless everyone who lived in the tower before that had a DVR only had cable; I doubt people with DVR and satellite would have their reception knocked out an hour after news coverage.)
Kalani
1. "Did you think they (zombies) swam to Hawaii?"
2. He mentions that the ones there seemed a bit meaner. With Hawaii being small islands the Adv. Flesh Biters would seem more common.
3. The other tower had taken "strange devices" from ground zero.
4. Scavengers got sick when they got close to ground zero.
Why have we not heard about anything from other states? Like im sure someone would have tryed to comeback to L.A to find loved ones. Where is the military? I'm sure they were not all overrun.
I would think most civies would be locked in a fight of survival. As far as the military goes, they have the infrastructure and comm equipment to keep updated, they are probably on a base by base lockdown, until they can agree on and secure a rendezous point.
Cheyenne Mountain is probably closed up tight and just sitting back and watching it all on Satellite.
I would have to think that Fort Knox and Fort Benning, would be "safe" Fort Knox not only has the majority of the tanks not overseas, but it also has a massive "safe/vault" guarded by a mint police force, apaches, artillery, and over 30k soldiers. Oh and the doors are over 20+ inches thick. As for Benning, its a self supporting base for over 120k soldiers with tanks, some of the 75th ranger regiment, 3rd Heavy combat brigade, 3rd infantry, and most important, the 14th combat support hospital. I think Benning would be a place people would rally to on the east coast. Im not sure if i missed this part, but i would be VERY curious to know how Camp Pendleton is holding out in the story.
I would have to think that areas with few people and areas with a large amount of guns/weapons would be able to hold out a little better. I would bet that there is a large amount of survivors in the southern American states. Not only do they have a large amount of fire arms, but they have natural defenses. The only thing that comes to mind, for a reason the "south" would fall is that those with guns go and fight without some sort of organization.
As for other parts of the world, i think it would really depend if the virus/plague/magic/etc hit Europe, Asia, and Africa. I would have to think that places like India, china, and japan would be hit very hard. On the other side, i could see people holding out in Russia. : ) i wonder what would happen to the zombies in the extreme cold.
These zombies adapt with skills they had in life, so I think cold zombies would exist.
I would have to agree about the skills part, but skill has nothing to do with -30 weather. Flesh is flesh after all and the zombies would freeze. Who knows though? lol right KC :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by bequita
That is assuming they are still functioning as warm blooded animals. Their leathery skin and prefence to nighttime may indicate evolution of sorts. Maybe they evolve into creatures with less body regulating requiredQuote:
Originally Posted by DeRose05
flesh is flesh, and the human body isnt capable of running at 50 miles per hour like the runners, or jumping across buildings in a single leap or swim for days at a time like the swimmers, so there probably could be those that can withstand severe cold and severe heat, hell they know how to create fire, from the descriptions given of the arenaQuote:
Originally Posted by DeRose05
as far as the east coast goes, i wonder how Paris island, SC and Fort Bragg, NC would be holding up? You would think that with so many bases and all out forts on the east coast, and in the south, that things might be slightly better.
This is all based on the assumption that whatever caused the outbreaks wouldn't hit any major military bases. As massive and well armed as some of the bases are, that doesn't mean they'd automatically bring their full strength to bear if a few soldiers on the base were "rioting". Unless the fort is commanded by whoever is in charge of Madagascar in Pandemic, I don't see all of their power being used. It doesn't matter how strong a man is if you stab him in his sleep.
Lol, I just imagined Obama sitting in a recliner and shouting to his Chief of Staff "Bring the Popcorn, the new Survivors is on!"Quote:
Originally Posted by COsurvivor
EDIT: As for the military bases, I don't know how the US military bases are set up, but going by Finnish standards, if the population of Helsinki (a very small city by US standards, but still the biggest we've got) would turn into zombies, even with the entire reserve force it's been "assigned", the Santahamina garrison would be overrun very quickly, and it's an island. I don't know how many people turned into zombies, but let's say a million fleshbiters were to rush for Fort Benning, that's mean that every soldier would have to kill roughly 8 zombies before they'd get to biting distance. Also keep in mind, that these soldiers are trained to fight other soldiers, not homicidal berserkers with superhuman abilities and little care for personal safety.
May be they will encounter soldiers at the fort they are trying to go to. Oh and Luna Guardian but they things soilders are trained to kill are far away. These zombies/mutants what have you are just running at you there to need to take cover and they are right there to kill but i still see your point that they are extremely reckless. Oh and another quick question did anyone notice that scratch and angel knew eachother?