Chapter 40-3 Monsters

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Originally Posted by Gooer

Things i want answered, in order:

1. IS DATU ALIVE?
2. What happened with Vic and Michael?
3. What is Michael's link with Randy, and does it have anything to do with his arm?

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...You forgot Mr. Whiskers...

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Originally Posted by Gooer

Things i want answered, in order:

1. IS DATU ALIVE?
2. What happened with Vic and Michael?
3. What is Michael's link with Randy, and does it have anything to do with his arm?

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1. I thought KC said at the end of the ep that Datu was alive and on the ground. He didn't elaborate on his well being though...
2. Vic was probably out with Michael's crew and in a tough zombie related spot. Vic sees what should be done and takes charge, Michael goes with a different plan, and the Army guys split in who they follow. People almost get hurt/killed which Michael is pissed about...But even more pissed that someone tried to take charge of his operation. He's already given up control of the colony to CJ and stays sane by having his slice of the pie that no one messes with.
3. I think it's someone that Michael knows personally. Any time he sees Randy and says his name I think of Jerry Seinfeld when he sees Newman! Maybe estranged brother/cousin who was cast out of the family for some crazy reason...

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Originally Posted by Storm

...You forgot Mr. Whiskers...

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Last week's stir fry dinner.

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Originally Posted by Storm

...You forgot Mr. Whiskers...

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He's probably died of Gluttony on rats.....

He'll probably make a cameo appearance in an upcoming episode of "Rex: Zombie Killer"

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Originally Posted by Gooer

He's probably died of Gluttony on rats.....

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He'd still have eight more lives to try to find Pegs again. :)

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Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper

I like how everyone is glazing over the fact that she ask Datu directly if he was ok with that and if the weapon was ready. Both Glenn and Datu said that they were good. So it CJ's fault for trusting two adults on their decision? Blame should be going all around. Micheal for not bring back the gun truck, CJ for not send enough , and Datu and Glenn for not field test the matagun. I'm starting to hate the CJ hate-train on the forums. How about just going with the idea that all decisions have consequences, good or bad?

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I'm with Undead here. I think everyone is unnecessarily harsh on CJ, whatever she does. CJ is damned for not taking any chances or risks, then she does so after quite a lot of reasonable consideration, and she's damned because it doesn't have the best outcome.

If I was in charge of a dying colony, had lost a limb, witnessed the horrific deaths of many friends etc etc, I'd probably be a gibbering wreck incapable of any sort of coherent thought.

I can see her going one of two ways, since the colony is in such a dire situation. Either she retracts the colony inwards and becomes uber cautious, and everyone slowly starves to death due to lack of resources, or she decides that, because its hopeless, its time to go hell for leather, find the cause, and kick some zombie/ maller arse.

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Originally Posted by Storm

...You forgot Mr. Whiskers...

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I reckon Mr Whiskers took out the Little One so Datu could crawl away. :kitty

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Originally Posted by ZombieWildfire

I'm with Undead here. I think everyone is unnecessarily harsh on CJ, whatever she does. CJ is damned for not taking any chances or risks, then she does so after quite a lot of reasonable consideration, and she's damned because it doesn't have the best outcome.

If I was in charge of a dying colony, had lost a limb, witnessed the horrific deaths of many friends etc etc, I'd probably be a gibbering wreck incapable of any sort of coherent thought.

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what CJ really needs is a peg-leg. (for making walking easier)
...and an eye patch. (so she can storm ships in the dark with better nightvision)
...and a parrot. (to keep her company)

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Originally Posted by Gooer

Things i want answered, in order:

1. IS DATU ALIVE?
2. What happened with Vic and Michael?
3. What is Michael's link with Randy, and does it have anything to do with his arm?

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1) Datu is not majorly hurt - we never hear him yell in pain. My guess is that he's crying so much because he feels responsible for Glenn's death. Afterall, Datu convinced CJ the matagun could manage, even though he sounded fairly unconvinced. He even mentioned to Glenn that it needed more tweaks. It didn't work right, and he probably had to kill a zombie version of one of his friends...

3) I think Randy was not someone Michael necessarily knew before. It's just someone he has a bunch about, and we'll see that he will play an important role in the end (end of Ink?). A sort of Gollum-like character in his relationship with Frodo from the Lord of the Rings. Randy's behavior at the water works must have been different enough from the rest of the zombies to have caught Michael's attention.

2) Victor must have sold Michael an awful policy with too many fees... I wouldn't trust him after that, either

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Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch

There have been a number of questions regarding the trial of Bill Roberts, the LA County Courthouse and Eastern Bay Prison. I'd like to try to clarify the relationship between the three.

First, remember that the United States has multiple, tiered justice and penal systems. These are, in order, municipal and/or county, state and federal. Each level has its own law enforcement agencies, courts and prisons, and each is responsible for dealing with crimes committed within its territory.

1. Bill Roberts was being tried for murder in a local court for a crime committed within that jurisdiction, specifically the County of Los Angeles California.

2. He would have been held in a Los Angeles City or County jail or detention facility while he was undergoing trial. If convicted he would have been imprisoned in either an LA County or California State prison, or a state mental facility for the criminally insane.

3. Eastern Bay was identified as a Federal prison. Prisoners in Eastern Bay were convicted in federal courts and could have come from anywhere in the United States. Bill Roberts would not have been sent there, since he was not being tried by a federal court.

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Penal Systems............. *giggle* :)

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Originally Posted by TacticalJHP

That's why I'm all up in CJs face on this decision.

Did it NEED a gun truck? No.

But this was a VITAL asset being installed by two PRIORITY members of the colony near the rear gates. They REQUIRED more than one rookie with an unproven weapon. They needed a squad or two at least, and to notify the QRF on call of the importance and location of the mission.

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Plus, it's going to be raining BUCKETS by the same evening, and they have rain catchers in place, which means the pump can be more than safely delayed. It feels so much out of character for CJ.

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Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper

I like how everyone is glazing over the fact that she ask Datu directly if he was ok with that and if the weapon was ready. Both Glenn and Datu said that they were good. So it CJ's fault for trusting two adults on their decision? Blame should be going all around.

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The way I see it, the two adults she trusts on a tactical decision about the effectiveness of an untested gun are Datu, so... a maintenance guy who barely knows how to shoot, and Glenn... a 65+ old man with a limp. You can trust Michael suggestions on military organization and Glenn's suggestions on how to set up a radio network, but not the other way around.
Also, if you take command you better believe you are responsible for, well, your decisions:
"Let's see: the gun truck is unavailable, this "matagun" here is untested, there's only a rookie available for escort, these two are extremely valuable, is going to be raining so while it rains we have water and when it stops we can go out safely to finish the work on the mill... let's send them now then."
And then she ate her shoe.

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Originally Posted by Footbutt

what CJ really needs is a peg-leg. (for making walking easier)

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Well, these last episodes PEGS has been quite... SUPPORTIVE of CJ.
:D
Ok, I'll show myself out.

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Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper

I like how everyone is glazing over the fact that she ask Datu directly if he was ok with that and if the weapon was ready. Both Glenn and Datu said that they were good. So it CJ's fault for trusting two adults on their decision? Blame should be going all around. Micheal for not bring back the gun truck, CJ for not send enough , and Datu and Glenn for not field test the matagun. I'm starting to hate the CJ hate-train on the forums. How about just going with the idea that all decisions have consequences, good or bad?

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Maybe it is all of their (CJ, Glen, Datu, or the Redshirt guy) faults, someone should have said... hey these zombies are pretty bad ass, are you really sure this one gunman is enough?

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Originally Posted by clem131

The way I see it, the two adults she trusts on a tactical decision about the effectiveness of an untested gun are Datu, so... a maintenance guy who barely knows how to shoot, and Glenn... a 65+ old man with a limp. You can trust Michael suggestions on military organization and Glenn's suggestions on how to set up a radio network, but not the other way around.
Also, if you take command you better believe you are responsible for, well, your decisions:
"Let's see: the gun truck is unavailable, this "matagun" here is untested, there's only a rookie available for escort, these two are extremely valuable, is going to be raining so while it rains we have water and when it stops we can go out safely to finish the work on the mill... let's send them now then."
And then she ate her shoe.

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Yes, I would agree if Michael was around or even answering the com. We been told by the program that Michael is knownly trying not to talking with CJ. What good is a military if you can't talk to them? So she has to go with gut on these type of issues like everyone else who doesn't have an military option. Also Glenn and Datu never said that wasn't completely field and only said that it was test and worked Behemoth skin. They choose to omit that part.

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Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch

There have been a number of questions regarding the trial of Bill Roberts, the LA County Courthouse and Eastern Bay Prison. I'd like to try to clarify the relationship between the three.

First, remember that the United States has multiple, tiered justice and penal systems. These are, in order, municipal and/or county, state and federal. Each level has its own law enforcement agencies, courts and prisons, and each is responsible for dealing with crimes committed within its territory.

1. Bill Roberts was being tried for murder in a local court for a crime committed within that jurisdiction, specifically the County of Los Angeles California.

2. He would have been held in a Los Angeles City or County jail or detention facility while he was undergoing trial. If convicted he would have been imprisoned in either an LA County or California State prison, or a state mental facility for the criminally insane.

3. Eastern Bay was identified as a Federal prison. Prisoners in Eastern Bay were convicted in federal courts and could have come from anywhere in the United States. Bill Roberts would not have been sent there, since he was not being tried by a federal court.

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This is good to know. I never knew this stuff.

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Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper

Yes, I would agree if Michael was around or even answering the com. We been told by the program that Michael is knownly trying not to talking with CJ. What good is a military if you can't talk to them? So she has to go with gut on these type of issues like everyone else who doesn't have an military option. Also Glenn and Datu never said that wasn't completely field and only said that it was test and worked Behemoth skin. They choose to omit that part.

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Sorry, but I have to ask: you have a reeeeally bad spellchecker on your phone, right? :P
I'm not sure I got it all correctly but Michael IS answering the radio. He talks with the Colony plenty of times in the last episodes, even though he doesn't answer Pegs calls. He immediately answers when Victor briefly calls for help when number 7 attacks him and Tanya. He is, I agree, keeping one of the trucks to investigate the whereabouts the most dangerous of all zombies so far. The other is somewhere else. It's not like CJ was pushed at gunpoint, she chose to send them, and I'm surprised no one else was, like me, screaming in frustration while listening all the thunders in the distance and knowing that fact that they could easily waited at least until the storm went away.

Hehe, my spellchecker wasn't give me the right spelling of the word. I still trying to figure the right way to spell it. LOL

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Originally Posted by Footbutt

what CJ really needs is a peg-leg. (for making walking easier)
...and an eye patch. (so she can storm ships in the dark with better nightvision)
...and a parrot. (to keep her company)

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today, you win!!

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Originally Posted by clem131

Well, these last episodes PEGS has been quite... SUPPORTIVE of CJ.
:D
Ok, I'll show myself out.

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and you win, ALSO!!

I need to go back and listen, but in the very first episode, Michael says that it all started 7 years ago. We are a little over one right now. Does this mean they lose the battle?

Why doesnt michael trust Vic, I cant remember when vic let michael down??? Can anyone remember and clarify? thanks

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Originally Posted by skirmisher

Why doesnt michael trust Vic, I cant remember when vic let michael down??? Can anyone remember and clarify? thanks

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The assumption is this happened during the 4 month time gap from the start of the season.

The only other thing it could possibly be is that he tried to hide Angel's death from everyone.

Lot of good stuff. Starting over to see if I pick up anything.

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Originally Posted by Zombie-Bane

I need to go back and listen, but in the very first episode, Michael says that it all started 7 years ago. We are a little over one right now. Does this mean they lose the battle?

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Michael is talking about starting his freshman year in College in 2001, "almost eight years ago, now".
"I remember the date as it was burned into my head: May 8th, 2009."

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Originally Posted by kent17

The assumption is this happened during the 4 month time gap from the start of the season.

The only other thing it could possibly be is that he tried to hide Angel's death from everyone.

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Yeah I assumed that as well. I had always thought that it would be covered when we go back to pick up on Burt and Rileys story, which I'm still sure it does, but an important clue we just got from Michael and Victors last conversation was that no one was hurt. This condraticts my previous thought that we don't hear anymore about Riley and Burt becasue I assumed they ended up dead. humm, could it be that they are actually okay and there has simply been no reason to hear of or about them laetly....? I doubt it. Maybe Victors screwup has something to do with Burt and Riley but I'm guessing that it doesn't give us an answer to their outcome.

This is how I visualize the Datu situation.
Refer to the ep. artwork:
1. The gunner is parked on the road between the windmill and the pump.
2. Glen is on the windmill side, Datu on the pump and Jay between them when they exchange words.
3. They hear noise. Datu heads to windmill side to lock windmill fence and tells Glen to start leaving. He gets in the car and waits for Datu.
4. Datu locks fence and runs to passenger side. When he closes the door (you hear it.) Glen is attacked from side window.
4. Datu fires a gun from inside the car. (I think Glen may have been Glen's.)
5. Jay fires matagun. He says fuck YOU!(Leads me to believe only one, little one perhaps?)
6. Datu starts firing gun at attacker while it's biting Jay.
7. I feel it's wounded and it screams at Datu. As a last attempt, Datu throws the empty gun at it.
8. It stumbles and Datu recoils further into the car.
9. He is grabbed at bitten on the Leg. He kicks off the wounded or stunned attacker. 10. This is where Datu is crawling away. (I imagine close up shot of Datu's face crawling towards camera and dark figure slowly approaching him from behind.)
11. The attack drags him back, and Datu screams for his life.
12. Attacker let's go and runs away, leaving Datu only bit.
13. The sound is the pump/generator getting shut down.

The attacks are now strategically planned. They left Datu alive to tell CJ so she know they are a step ahead of her. They are cutting off water source and waiting them out.

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Originally Posted by Storm

He'd still have eight more lives to try to find Pegs again. :)

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A special episode released after the finale of We're Alive: The Reunion; Feat Pegs, and Mr Whiskers

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Originally Posted by Tar Heel Fan

2) Victor must have sold Michael an awful policy with too many fees... I wouldn't trust him after that, either

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I wouldn't trust him either, the shady snake he would be. Not that Vic would do that, he's too awesome....

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Originally Posted by Zombie-Bane

I need to go back and listen, but in the very first episode, Michael says that it all started 7 years ago. We are a little over one right now. Does this mean they lose the battle?

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I think he was saying that he started his Freshmen year 8 years ago, back in 2001, not that the events of We're Alive started 7 years ago.

I'm not sure about this, but the other murderer that victor possibly recognizes... Didn't they talk about a cellmate with ink in a previous episode? Maybe that's him and happened to stand trial before/after ink's trial. Maybe he has some leads.

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Originally Posted by cringebot

I'm not sure about this, but the other murderer that victor possibly recognizes... Didn't they talk about a cellmate with ink in a previous episode? Maybe that's him and happened to stand trial before/after ink's trial. Maybe he has some leads.

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It was Cohen that was the one that helped him with the tattoo's, so it isn't this mystery guy that was found with Ink's court papers (I've already forgotten his name....)

Victor's Foul up

I think it was something pretty basic to soldiering, like muzzle disciplin or sector of fire. I lean towards sector of fire. We have heard that several times from Puck. Victor reminds Tanya of it in 40-2. I also think it would be the hardest for him. He and Saul are out there for four months. Heads always on a swivel and overlapping eachother.

Then, plug him into a team of six or more and he might not be used to just looking just in one narrow field.

If you had something to do with the outbreak, or knew why things happened the way they did, how would you act to hide it. How might it show?

If the tattoos protected Ink in some way, why?

I ask because it occurred to me that CJ might have information she's hiding...then I thought, no, it doesn't make sense because she didn't seem to really know Ink besides as a marauder of her castle. Then I thought that since we know Ink didn't start it--or at least had no hand in the implementation--her not reacting to Ink strongly would make sense even so.

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Originally Posted by Gooer

It was Cohen that was the one that helped him with the tattoo's, so it isn't this mystery guy that was found with Ink's court papers (I've already forgotten his name....)

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In the past 3 episodes we have heard of 2 people that are connect to Ink in some way.

Cohen - assisted Ink while in Jail, smuggled in items needed for tattoos.
Austin McKibben - Photo was found inside the court record for Ink, first thought to have nothing to do with anything, until Victor states that He feels like he has seen him before.

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Originally Posted by Eviebae

If you had something to do with the outbreak, or knew why things happened the way they did, how would you act to hide it. How might it show?

If the tattoos protected Ink in some way, why?

I ask because it occurred to me that CJ might have information she's hiding...then I thought, no, it doesn't make sense because she didn't seem to really know Ink besides as a marauder of her castle. Then I thought that since we know Ink didn't start it--or at least had no hand in the implementation--her not reacting to Ink strongly would make sense even so.

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I feel that the tattoos are protecting Roberts because the tattoos are more than just ink. I think there was something else mixed in with the ink, so that when the tattoos were done he had basically injected his entire body with something that is causing him not to turn, or to be able to control the zombies..... chemical? pheromones? something.......

Hmm...

Like someone said early on in this thread, Tanya's statement

He (Ink) wants to end it.

Yea, so the group thinks Ink did not start it, but who doesn't want to end it?

I do not quite understand his actions and maybe I am not supposed to, because he is psycho.

He wipes out CJ's tower, but spares Skittles/Duncan. He does not attack CJ and maybe that was because of her defensive position. Some survivors of CJ's tower attack and or try to rescue. Ink then attacks the water plant where some of CJs people may be located.

He goes to the Tower and kills Paul. However, he does not call in lots of others and he knocks on the door like a normal person when finished with Paul. In chapter 40 he kicks out the double doors of a prisoner transport van. My guess he could kick the door in, but he knocks on the door like a friend.

He laughs at Riley and Kilani after she tries to shoot him with an arrow.

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Originally Posted by Gnex

I feel that the tattoos are protecting Roberts because the tattoos are more than just ink. I think there was something else mixed in with the ink, so that when the tattoos were done he had basically injected his entire body with something that is causing him not to turn, or to be able to control the zombies..... chemical? pheromones? something.......

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Interesting theory! Did they ever say what the tattoos were of? Sorry, i have a poor memory. Maybe it's a written formula?

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Originally Posted by Gnex

I feel that the tattoos are protecting Roberts because the tattoos are more than just ink. I think there was something else mixed in with the ink, so that when the tattoos were done he had basically injected his entire body with something that is causing him not to turn, or to be able to control the zombies..... chemical? pheromones? something.......

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Could be something related to the chemicals Randy dropped in the plastic bag. One of them we know was Follistatin. The other remains a mystery, though was described as having a "distinct metallic smell"