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I do not know if this is worth another thread. But, I want to give a foreshadowing shoutout. Burt discusses his hands with Michael. It is pretty obvious, but something that is much more subtle is that when Burt gets back from searching the mid-morning Michael comes back one of the background noises we hear is what could be a bottle of pills shaking (I went back to listen again ~16:50 About last night Part1)
Nice catch. I'll have to go listen again as well. Even though I do remember him being pretty shaken up, I didn't remember a bottle of pills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
The first 2 shots were called "Double Taps" to center mass and like Nik said, the 3rd was probably the shot to the head to ENSURE death.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaitlyn
You're absolutely correct about the pills. The time is actually ~8:15 of 20-1. 16:50 would be at the end of the episode when Michael Swan is talking ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
Nope, this bozo looked at the total run time and not the actual time. Thanks for the catch and the confidence (8
First of all...that was a lot of pages to go thru. But anyway...That's what I wanna know. I think that it's too soon for pippin to die. I don't think he's dead. One thing I don't understand is wh micheal didn't want pegs being on guard. The guy was chained up! What's he gonna do?? But whatevs. GREAT EPISODE. Can't wait till next week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uber Behemoth
I think Pippin was a mole--and was supposed to communicate with the Mallers and undermine the Tower from inside. The shooter knew or suspected this.
zom:(
Or, I think that whether or not he was a mole, the shooter was a Tower resident who just wanted to keep themselves safe--proactively.
zom:(
Or I think the alarm had nothing at all to do with the Pippin drama and the shooter just happened to be nearby.
Whoever the shooter was, they paused before shooting again. Either to go around Hope and get at the equipment, or to evaluate whether or not she was a threat.
You should ask ra1th that question. According to him, Pippin isn't a threat at all.....*casually walks away from this thread whistling*Quote:
Originally Posted by Paola
Agree totally...had so many theories. I can't wait for the next episode to hopefully find out what happenedQuote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
You just know KC's going to make us wait until part threeQuote:
Originally Posted by Mando
Whoops. I mean bag. But really I keep wondering about this. I recall Angel helping Datu bring up Burt's guns when they got back from thier vain attempt to raid the Mallers mall. Did someone jack the silenced pistol from the bag at that time? Or did they steal the silenced MP5 from the armory? It's all too confusing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
I'm thinking that Hope is definitely alive. I don't see any reason to shoot the blind girl. Plus it will provide opportunity for the shooter to be "outed". Hope will say, "I smelled cologne..." at which point everyone will look at Victor and his cologne. But this is yet another smart move by the mole, who knew Victor was sporting Brut and decided to splash some on before busting a cap in Pippin. (btw, if voice actor David Ault was voicing Pippin, this never would have happened).
Pippin must have been the target, not Angel, cause he recognized whoever it was. But who? Is this the rat from season 1? Hadn't the trickle of new people into the tower stopped BEFORE the battle with the Mallers? So if the shooter's a mole for Durai they must have planted him WAY in advance but sometime after Pippin got enslaved.
I'm sure the Mallers want revenge, but I think they have much more important things on their minds like taking out the Zombie threat and managing a population of slaves. (I HATE how mankind degenerates into slavery after only a few months- at least the Mallers call em 'slaves' instead of 'workers' like the hypocrites in the Colony)
Hate to say it, but if I were the shooter I'd have killed Hope as well just to be safe- a blind person can still identify you...
Although I hate to say it, Angel is pretty high on my list of subjects. He had access to the guns, so he could have lifted the silenced pistol whenever he wanted. Also, he was manipulating the controls when the alarm went off (Hope's blind and Pippin's chained to a wall so he could have sprung the alarm without anyone noticing) and could thus create an alibi for himself. Why he'd see the need for the alibi if he shot both Pippin and Hope escapes me for the moment, but it's better to have an alibi and not need it than the other way around.
The biggest problem for me here is the motive. Why would Angel shoot Pippin and Hope, especially Hope? He could be pulling the "nice guy" act, but I don't see Angel as such. Unless Angel has a split personality...
Dun dun dunn!
So which one is Angelo and who is the Duke?
Has anyone proposed a combination of these theories: Pippin was indeed a rat and was intended to either continue, or re-establish the activities the Mallers desired. So he knew there was someone else there in theory and he was supposed to be actively searching. Suddenly when Pippin was alone, a man/woman walks in holding a silenced pistol so immediately Pippin knows who he was supposed to be looking for in the first place. The "It's You" could have been anyone in the Tower even someone he had met before simply because they had just exposed themselves as the Rat.
just a thought that popped in my head listening to WND just now.
34 pages later and about a week late...
Great episode. We listened to it twice here in the office. Still couldn't believe the ending the second time we heard it.
$5 says Hope isn't dead.
I'm hoping we get the whole group together soon. Lots of terrible things happen now that they're split into so many tiny groups. And it's getting hard to type out my own time line with so many holes in it....just kidding, I don't have that kind of time.
It would be pretty damn gutsy to go kill a blind orphan kid. There's a very strong stigma against that sort of thing in fiction. Then again KC did kill Tommy in rather nasty fashion so who knows.
My guess is the perp just shot out the radio.
I hope not. I kinda hope we never heard from them because they got blown up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilanagl
I'm with ilanagl, but I want to see what happened with the explosions. The shooting at the end of this last part is way intriguing, but I so want to know how successful the Mallers were... not to mention I'm still curious as all heck about what weapon Scratch was talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaria
Listening to WND and they talked the radio not being shot because it doesn't make any sound like something metallic being shot. However, KC said that he faded out the sound of the alarm in the background as it was drawing away from the sounds in the room, so it could be that he hasn't added this sound for similar reasons.
I really want this to be true, cause shooting the blind girl makes me sad.
(Someone may have already posted around this idea, but I can't be bothered reading back to where I last was in this thread, sorry. I am prepared to take the non-thread read rap. :) )
i'm currently listening to part 2, i was so scared for hope especially after that final shot, i have a few idears who the traitor is but im not 100% sure
Yeah man I was thinking along the same lines as well. I thought Pippin was probably a spy sent by the Mallers or maybe even the colony(doesn't make much sense though).Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
I thought that Pippin was there to see why the Rat had stopped reporting or something like that, and then when whoever it was saw Pippin they realised they would have to kill him. The reason the rat killed Pippin though is because they had stopped being a rat and was trying to stay friends with the tower, and Pippin could have blown their cover.
I'm not sure if what I have written has actually made sense but I'll leave it at that.