Chapter 45-3: Distorted Truths

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May 9th, 2014, 02:32 PM
TacticalJHP

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

Yeah, this is what I'm suspecting. He seems to be ignored the same way that Jay ignored Datu after they were both bitten, and the way the zombies ignored Ink after he was bitten. Maybe he is a slow turner too. Even better, if slow turning is a genetic trait then, how amazing would it be if it is revealed that he had a brother in Dunbar with him. A brother named James? A brother named James who escapes with Sean and Hope to the Colony? A brother named James who escapes with Sean and Hope to the Colony but is said to later die from some infection? A brother named James who escapes with Sean and Hope to the Colony but is said to later die from some infection, but was actually euthanized for being a slow turner after biting Tanya?

This would be a "holy shit" moment in the storyline.
May 9th, 2014, 04:40 PM
Osiris

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Originally Posted by Robzombie

What?! Damn!! To France??? Unbeleivable but easy to explain...either it's becasue the universe just doesn't makes sense all the time, ...because one of the players had a slice of bacon with his eggs instead of toast for breakfast, ...because Osiris only masturbated twice yesterday, ...or the idiots in Hockey Canada don't know what they're doing (no invite for Darnell Nurse!?!), ...or because shit just happens.

For the record, it was three times.
May 10th, 2014, 01:29 AM
LiamKerrington

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Originally Posted by Footbutt

my 'rebuttle' to that would be:
then why doesn't Skittles follow any other symbols like the rest of the horde?

Actually, we don't know whether he follows signals or not. After all the cameras made the footage of Skittles being near zombies with them zombos reacting to him.
It could also be the case that Ink used special symbols in front of Skittles which could be kind of uncommon.

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Originally Posted by Footbutt

it didn't sound like he knew/remembered how he let Ink in to Dunbar, but that is the biggest question for me. i would think ANYone the on-duty guard doesn't recognize at the gate would alert others of a possible intruder.

Sure. Maybe he did not remember how he let Ink in, because at that moment his "zombie-side" had full control over him. Could be similar with what Datu "felt" or "thought", when the symbols took partial control over him. He was not able to describe the meaning or translate the symbols to the survivors - maybe, because this part of his brain was defunct when zombie-Datu was in charge.
Or what YABC has written:

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Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek

Well, I guess you have to keep in mind that he suffered a severe trauma from that incident. It might just be a locked memory in his mind.

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Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek

Interesting idea. But in my opinion, a slow-turning Skittles would make some story elements too over-utilized. Just the like the way changelings were at a certain point everywhere around at Deep Space Nine. And it would make him a goner sooner or later, would it not?

Depends. I am not certain anymore that this story-element could or would be over-utilized, if Skittles is a slow-turner. Currently we are at a point of the storyline where there are only these reasons available why a "still human being" exists:
- he has not become zombie-food,
- he has/ was not turned into a zombie,
- he was not shot by other survivors,
- he did not die from suffering from malnutrition, diseases, bad luck.
edit: Which means: It not unlikely that some survivors are slow-turners. I don't think (anymore) that this is just a story-element ... /edit
Also we know that there are three types of infected: the ones becoming zombies, the ones being immune, the slow-turners. But we do not know that, if there is room for more detailed disinguishing.
Another "hint" towards Duncan being kind of a half-zombo or slow-turner could be his smell ...

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

Yeah, this is what I'm suspecting. He seems to be ignored the same way that Jay ignored Datu after they were both bitten, and the way the zombies ignored Ink after he was bitten. Maybe he is a slow turner too. Even better, if slow turning is a genetic trait then, how amazing would it be if it is revealed that he had a brother in Dunbar with him. A brother named James? A brother named James who escapes with Sean and Hope to the Colony? A brother named James who escapes with Sean and Hope to the Colony but is said to later die from some infection? A brother named James who escapes with Sean and Hope to the Colony but is said to later die from some infection, but was actually euthanized for being a slow turner after biting Tanya?

Wow, haven't thought about such a network on connections.
Somehow I am willing to except that it is a question of genetical disposition. And maybe the slow-turner who bit Tanya was a relative of Duncan's, then yes: why wouldn't Duncan be able to live with the infection for some more time as a human being ... And since Skittles has no one to talk to, he has no opportunity to "understand" what is going on, which is different from the whole Datu-situation ...

Best wishes!
Liam
May 10th, 2014, 03:32 AM
Witch_Doctor

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

Sure. Maybe he did not remember how he let Ink in, because at that moment his "zombie-side" had full control over him. Could be similar with what Datu "felt" or "thought", when the symbols took partial control over him. He was not able to describe the meaning or translate the symbols to the survivors - maybe, because this part of his brain was defunct when zombie-Datu was in charge.
Or what YABC has written:

I really like this idea. Sure, he's suffered some psychological trauma that could explain his memory loss of letting Ink inside. However, perhaps a temporary a loss of free will could do the same. Unfortunately, I can only guess at the mechanics of this.

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

Depends. I am not certain anymore that this story-element could or would be over-utilized, if Skittles is a slow-turner. Currently we are at a point of the storyline where there are only these reasons available why a "still human being" exists:
- he has not become zombie-food,
- he has/ was not turned into a zombie,
- he was not shot by other survivors,
- he did not die from suffering from malnutrition, diseases, bad luck.
Also we know that there are three types of infected: the ones becoming zombies, the ones being immune, the slow-turners. But we do not know that, if there is room for more detailed disinguishing.
Another "hint" towards Duncan being kind of a half-zombo or slow-turner could be his smell ...

Best wishes!
Liam

It seems to me to be too late in the story to introduce something like non-human-scented people into the story. Especially ones who happen to suffer from PTSD. There might be something to the way zombies smell that marks them to each other. They are known to eat other animals. The animals don't smell like people. So, even if Skittles does not smell human, he could still be food.

I also have a thought from the past. Just what kind of white-hand-of-the-Uruk-Hai tattoo does Randy have on his head? And what does it mean?

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May 10th, 2014, 12:45 PM
Gooer

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

It seems to me to be too late in the story to introduce something like non-human-scented people into the story. Especially ones who happen to suffer from PTSD. There might be something to the way zombies smell that marks them to each other. They are known to eat other animals. The animals don't smell like people. So, even if Skittles does not smell human, he could still be food.

Seems too late to bring in anything else into the story now.....
May 10th, 2014, 11:11 PM
Eviebae

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

There might be something to the way zombies smell that marks them to each other. They are known to eat other animals. The animals don't smell like people. So, even if Skittles does not smell human, he could still be food.

Excellent point! So, when the regulars see animals it doesn't matter what they smell like, they're food. If they see people; they check out their smell to see if they're an us vs. a them...or maybe low vs. high threat.

In the past we've seen them eat each other. How much of their brotherhood of non-man comes from Ink and how much is tribal?

It feels more like he's immune like Saul (who they tend to ignore) rather than slowly turning. For one thing he was ignored at Dunbar long time ago and is still able to speak and reason.
May 10th, 2014, 11:57 PM
Osiris

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

I really like this idea. Sure, he's suffered some psychological trauma that could explain his memory loss of letting Ink inside. However, perhaps a temporary a loss of free will could do the same. Unfortunately, I can only guess at the mechanics of this.

It seems to me to be too late in the story to introduce something like non-human-scented people into the story. Especially ones who happen to suffer from PTSD. There might be something to the way zombies smell that marks them to each other. They are known to eat other animals. The animals don't smell like people. So, even if Skittles does not smell human, he could still be food.

I also have a thought from the past. Just what kind of white-hand-of-the-Uruk-Hai tattoo does Randy have on his head? And what does it mean?

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Maybe there's a connection in how the drug created by dickhead, and the effects of severe dissociative identity disorder that is possibly affecting Skittles. Something to do with the chemical make-up of the brain juice that be flowin' yo.
May 11th, 2014, 04:37 AM
LiamKerrington

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Originally Posted by Gooer

Seems too late to bring in anything else into the story now.....

Yes.

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Originally Posted by Eviebae

In the past we've seen them eat each other. How much of their brotherhood of non-man comes from Ink and how much is tribal.

I am not certain. Only Skittles mentioned it that them zombos seemed to have eaten zombos. But otherwise we "only" know that them zombos have gathered the dead bodies of their fallen kin. But it looks like they might have eaten their fallen as well, and/ or fed them to the baby Little Ones.

Best wishes!
Liam
May 11th, 2014, 12:32 PM
YetAnotherBloodyCheek

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Originally Posted by Eviebae

Excellent point! So, when the regulars see animals it doesn't matter what they smell like, they're food. If they see people; they check out their smell to see if they're an us vs. a them...or maybe low vs. high threat.

In the past we've seen them eat each other. How much of their brotherhood of non-man comes from Ink and how much is tribal?

It feels more like he's immune like Saul (who they tend to ignore) rather than slowly turning. For one thing he was ignored at Dunbar long time ago and is still able to speak and reason.

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

Yes.

I am not certain. Only Skittles mentioned it that them zombos seemed to have eaten zombos. But otherwise we "only" know that them zombos have gathered the dead bodies of their fallen kin. But it looks like they might have eaten their fallen as well, and/ or fed them to the baby Little Ones.

Best wishes!
Liam

In the end, even for zombies, it just boils down to the question whether you are at the top or bottom of the pyramid.
May 11th, 2014, 12:34 PM
Gooer

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Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek

In the end, even for zombies, it just boils down to the question whether you are at the top or bottom of the pyramid.

Are those what i think they are jutting out the top of the pyramid?
May 11th, 2014, 01:56 PM
Witch_Doctor

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Originally Posted by Eviebae

In the past we've seen them eat each other. How much of their brotherhood of non-man comes from Ink and how much is tribal?

My guess is that it is out of hunger. Chapter 17, Part 3, 11:40, Skittles says that they eat anything, even each other if they have to. He may have been only talking about the behemoths, but I think he meant all of them.
May 11th, 2014, 04:20 PM
Eviebae

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

YOnly Skittles mentioned it that them zombos seemed to have eaten zombos.

Tanya and Saul saw one eat another one near Ground Zero--the one that was sniffing around their car, truck, whatever.

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

My guess is that it is out of hunger. Chapter 17, Part 3, 11:40, Skittles says that they eat anything, even each other if they have to. He may have been only talking about the behemoths, but I think he meant all of them.

Most Behemoths seem anti-social; Skittles said the regulars avoided them because they'd eat other zombies from the get-go. Maybe it's because of who they were before (murderers, etc). I've also gotten the impression that they have to be really hungry before they'd eat each other. Maybe that's how the plague would eventually burn itself out--without Ink's help they'd eat each other until there were a manageable number,
May 11th, 2014, 04:47 PM
Gooer

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Originally Posted by Eviebae

Tanya and Saul saw one eat another one near Ground Zero--the one that was sniffing around their car, truck, whatever.

Think you're referring Victor and Tanya when they went into Ground zero, and saw a Little one pounce on a normal :)
May 11th, 2014, 04:56 PM
Eviebae

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Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek

In the end, even for zombies, it just boils down to the question whether you are at the top or bottom of the pyramid.

To the tune of "Food, Glorious Food" from Oliver

Brains! Wonderful brains!
Hot blood and intestines!
We eat the remains--
Cold liver without Heinz!
Please give me some heart and spleen!
Who's next is the question?
Rich gentlemen or hoi polloi?
A rhe-tor-ical question!
May 11th, 2014, 05:00 PM
Eviebae

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Originally Posted by Gooer

Think you're referring Victor and Tanya when they went into Ground zero, and saw a Little one pounce on a normal :)

That's why I said maybe low threat vs. high threat--because there's a pecking order (peckish order?) as to who gets et.
May 11th, 2014, 07:06 PM
Litmaster

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Originally Posted by Robzombie

the idiots in Hockey Canada don't know what they're doing

Your words, not mine. But I concur... :nik::)
May 11th, 2014, 10:23 PM
LiamKerrington

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Originally Posted by Eviebae

Tanya and Saul saw one eat another one near Ground Zero--the one that was sniffing around their car, truck, whatever.

Most Behemoths seem anti-social; Skittles said the regulars avoided them because they'd eat other zombies from the get-go. Maybe it's because of who they were before (murderers, etc). I've also gotten the impression that they have to be really hungry before they'd eat each other. Maybe that's how the plague would eventually burn itself out--without Ink's help they'd eat each other until there were a manageable number,

Thanks. Must have missed the details. Please consider my reply as invalid.
May 11th, 2014, 10:35 PM
Osiris

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

Thanks. Must have missed the details. Please consider my reply as invalid.

Aren't most of your replies?
May 11th, 2014, 10:36 PM
Zombiekiller100

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Originally Posted by Osiris

I don't know. When it becomes relevant to the scenario I'll tell you. But, please, please keep going with your sarcasm, it'll eventually win you points. Or an infraction... or a ban...

People in glass house shouldn't throw stones!
May 11th, 2014, 10:40 PM
Osiris

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Originally Posted by Zombiekiller100

People in glass house shouldn't throw stones!

Sorry, a discussion of the morality of torture is relevant to the chapter. If you'd like to add to the conversation, feel free.
May 11th, 2014, 10:57 PM
Zombiekiller100

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Originally Posted by Zombiekiller100

People in glass house shouldn't throw stones!

You still don't get it , do you!
May 11th, 2014, 11:02 PM
Osiris

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Originally Posted by Zombiekiller100

You still don't get it , do you!

Get what I'm saying. The conversation you are trying to engage in has ended. Everyone else in this thread has moved on, I suggest you do the same.
May 11th, 2014, 11:03 PM
Osiris

Actually, let me make it easier for everyone to move on.
May 12th, 2014, 08:25 AM
Kc

Alright... Whatever shenanigans was getting personal or argued before ends at this post. Not closing the thread- but stay on topic and civil. This posts acts as a marker/warning.
May 12th, 2014, 08:27 AM
LiamKerrington

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Aren't most of your replies?

Why only "most"? And I guess this is a matter of perspective ... :D
May 12th, 2014, 08:27 AM
Osiris

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

Why only "most"? And I guess this is a matter of perspective ... :D

Oh, Liam. You know I love you.
May 12th, 2014, 08:28 AM
LiamKerrington

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Oh, Liam. You know I love you.

Uh oh ... Pictures ... In my head ... OMFG ...
May 12th, 2014, 08:32 AM
Osiris

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

Uh oh ... Pictures ... In my head ... OMFG ...

I just want to love you, Liam.
May 13th, 2014, 08:37 PM
Lilydragon

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

Uh oh ... Pictures ... In my head ... OMFG ...

Oh, how I've missed you guys... ;) Been so busy I haven't (and here's the sacrilege) I haven't had any time to stop by or even listen to any episodes for about the last 6 weeks. New job that I can't listen to the show since I'm on the phone all day...
May 14th, 2014, 08:36 AM
LiamKerrington

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Originally Posted by Lilydragon

Oh, how I've missed you guys... ;) Been so busy I haven't (and here's the sacrilege) I haven't had any time to stop by or even listen to any episodes for about the last 6 weeks. New job that I can't listen to the show since I'm on the phone all day...

What a shame ... I hope you will get into some kind of routine asap which would allow you to find the time and listen to We're Alive ... There's alot going on.
And yes, missing you, too. I hope you are doing fine regardless of what'S going on out there in real life ...
May 15th, 2014, 03:25 PM
MrRedBeard

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Originally Posted by Osiris

p.s. If you don't recognize that clown you are missing out on a really interesting film.

Vulgar!!!! That movie is messed up but definitely a must see.
May 15th, 2014, 03:45 PM
MrRedBeard

Wow that was a lot to get through.

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Originally Posted by Footbutt

my 'rebuttle' to that would be:
then why doesn't Skittles follow any other symbols like the rest of the horde?

it didn't sound like he knew/remembered how he let Ink in to Dunbar, but that is the biggest question for me. i would think ANYone the on-duty guard doesn't recognize at the gate would alert others of a possible intruder.

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Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek

Well, I guess you have to keep in mind that he suffered a severe trauma from that incident. It might just be a locked memory in his mind.

Exactly. I was thinking about his mental capacity.

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

Yeah, this is what I'm suspecting. He seems to be ignored the same way that Jay ignored Datu after they were both bitten, and the way the zombies ignored Ink after he was bitten. Maybe he is a slow turner too. Even better, if slow turning is a genetic trait then, how amazing would it be if it is revealed that he had a brother in Dunbar with him. A brother named James? A brother named James who escapes with Sean and Hope to the Colony? A brother named James who escapes with Sean and Hope to the Colony but is said to later die from some infection? A brother named James who escapes with Sean and Hope to the Colony but is said to later die from some infection, but was actually euthanized for being a slow turner after biting Tanya?

Way to take it to another level!

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

Sure. Maybe he did not remember how he let Ink in, because at that moment his "zombie-side" had full control over him. Could be similar with what Datu "felt" or "thought", when the symbols took partial control over him. He was not able to describe the meaning or translate the symbols to the survivors - maybe, because this part of his brain was defunct when zombie-Datu was in charge.

That could explain why Duncan doesn't seem to remember or doesn't really acknowledge remembering walking past the zombies. My question is what if their wrong about the smell entirely and the zombies don't see him as a viable host due to brain activity? That's going to get ugly quick.
May 16th, 2014, 01:25 PM
Witch_Doctor

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Originally Posted by MrRedBeard

My question is what if their wrong about the smell entirely and the zombies don't see him as a viable host due to brain activity? That's going to get ugly quick.

Never thought of that. Uh Oh!

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