Is there a way to insert tables? I have the original in word but wasn't sure how to put it in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
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Is there a way to insert tables? I have the original in word but wasn't sure how to put it in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
i wonder if We're Alive was a TV show, would we be doing all of this research?
i think the audio drama makes this so much more fun. frustrating at times, yes, but TONS of fun.
Hi guys,
I'm just catching up on all the forum posts. There is a whole lot to discuss after this episode. I actually had tears in my eyes listening to it.
I'm left with an image of Ink as a Games Master. He's constructed his individual playthings out of what he had available, then left them in the ring to let them fight it out amongst themselves until a few of the 'best' specimens survive.
Is he doing the same with the humans? I guess the question is, what's his intention. Is he just orchestrating all of this for his own amusement, or is there an ultimate goal?
Nothing yet, unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
looking into that reminds me of the scene in The 'Burbs where Art and Ray are looking into books on the Occult and Ray plugs his ears:Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDung
"I'm not going to listen to this. I'm not going to listen to this."Art: "Ray, your chanting. That's right here in the book."
Ray develops a cadance/chant.
Art, joing in: "I want to kill, everyone. Satan is good; Satan is our pal."
i'm gonna let you guys carry out the research.
i'm getting a little too freaked out by some of this stuff.
also, it's not good to do it on a work computer...
Sadly, I do not think there is an End Game for him...this is just his fun. IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZombieWildfire
I'm very curious as to what Randy's End Game is however.
You know, someone pointed out that Ink might have let Puck live because he'd beaten the game. So, does that mean he is doing the same thing with the heroes as he is the zombies? Making it so that only the smartest and best are left alive?
Funny thing is, if you change the second Chinese character just a bit, it becomes "to choose."
The tattoos show how He sees Himself. There are Loas that are "hot" and appealed to when you need a revolution and, say, hack oppressors to bits. They are violent and not forgiving when you don't do what they want. That's what I'd expect him to want to embody if he'd started everything. Damballah is "cool/cold" and is supposed to be a benevolent figure. father/creator to mankind. He is supposed to protect humans.
The Loas aren't supposed to be Gods, they are supposed to be intermediary spirits we can understand and interact with. "Bondye" (Bon Eye from the French) is the big overarching God figure that is beyond comprehension.
Chilling zombie trivia. There is the Ghede family of Loas and they are in the family that are/deal with the dead. Baron Kriminal is one, and if he doesn't like your offerings, he's supposed to want to bite you and take a chunk. Sounds like zombie behavior to me.
Alright, thanks it just seemed like that way sounded a bit logical in my mind. I was just saying what I thought was plausible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
I've actually researched things for a show before, so I would likely still be doing it trying to figure out the secrets behind the shows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Footbutt
Is this a Hunger Games reference?Quote:
Originally Posted by ZombieWildfire
Funnily enough, no, not intentionally. Though now you mention it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sin Angel
After looking through a number of the symbol meanings, it seems there are a large portion of them that relate to protection.
We've got:
2&4: Loko's mark
7&8. Damballah's mark
10. 保护
14. Bird foot
17. Eye of Horus
23. Damballah (alternate)
All of these symbols have a meaning that in one way or another relates to protection. Is Ink trying to protect himself or is he telling others to protect him? Why, if it is the latter, would zombies be able to understand such a diverse set of symbols? Could he be spreading his bets by appealing to any and all possible source of protection against the coming zombie apocalypse? This seems to imply he knew something was coming though he may not have been the source of it. Could he have been part of a conspiracy to start it or even possibly to prevent it?
So many questions!
XD I'd say he's more like president snow though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZombieWildfire
look at hiroglyphics with the Egyptians or cave men and other civs. They used pics to communicate maybe ink is the zombie Rosetta Stone. And I know spelled hiroglyphics wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jannit
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Originally Posted by Zombie Yeti
That's true. However if we can agree that ink is on the exceptional side when it comes to intelligence in zombies then how can we expect others would understand the symbols?
We've already seen that they can't interpret numbers anymore and those should be something they're familiar with in their human life.
Jiroglyphics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombie Yeti
...it's a soft "J".
Could be wrong, but at least in American English I've only ever seen it spelled "Hieroglyphics".Quote:
Originally Posted by Footbutt
Correct, as far as the american way of spelling it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FenixArc
http://www.discoveringegypt.com/Egyp...-Alphabet.html
Absolutely! My point is that he was the only one that we have encountered with that capability. We didn't see other zombies who were able to interpret symbols (numbers) that they should've been familiar with in life. I was wondering what the point of the markings was from a communication standpoint. Since other zombies don't seem to have the ability to recognize the numbers and interpret their significance I was saying that the idea of Ink's tattoos being used to have other zombies protect him was unlikely given their inability to recognize something as simple as numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eviebae
I see your point, but I just think that there is to much orchestrated for him, how was he so quick to be able to figure out that he can manipulate zombies when he himself was one. Also he had all these tattoo's that clearly mean something, I really see your point, it is more realistic. I like that you made me see this in another way but I just feel that he did have something to do with it. But then again you are correct about the other hotspots, how do we know that there are not many others like INK in other states. But I do want to ask you. why is it that in the city where there are so many people ( LA ) he is the only person that was that smart, seems hard to belive that out of all los Angeles there where no more smart people like him that turned. Why has the group not ran in to more like him, you would think there would be at least a few more z's like that. What do you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
Thanks!
Madames et messieures,
I believe that we have not seen Ink's most interesting tattoo yet.
Firstly, I have to say what an amazing episode. Will really miss the talk and priceless laughs between Puck,Muldoon,Robbins and Carl. I laughed out loud with the comment at the start...hey think thin..lol and Puck and his comments on the non lethal weapons. The emotion between Muldoon and Robbins was amazing and the mixture of fear was outstanding. I think the touches of Puck wanting to leave when they had a man down really showed the severity of the situation. Bravo. Was quite depressing to keep hearing them say that they would leave..but didn't. I have listened to it 3 or 4 times now.
I did think a few things. Since there are 2 buildings, I am guessing they are duplicates, one for men, one for women. Puck mentioned there was 20 something odd rooms. Now I realize not all will produce these special zombies, but it does imply there is a similar number in the women's block. I wonder was Roberts breeding little ones? Was he doing similar tests in the women's block and cross breeding leading to a whole new species. That might account for the little ones, well, being little. Also judging by the speed of change I guess it's fair to assume the typical 9 months cycle would be shortened. So he gets all these types to use by injecting them and deploys them. However like some type of nazi experiment, the super versions are put into a breeding Programme.
As for the colony, they are in deep trouble. With Puck badly injured, the military heroes dead, Saul a potential time bomb, one .50 cal down...only one close range matagun, limited fuel and what looks like increasingly scarce ammo, it is not looking good. I guess they still have the advantage of the chopper and isn't there another .50 cal....
I would like to thank the cast and crew...the acting first class, the writing and story is amazing ..Oscar material...when I think back on everyone who has been killed, it's certainly no Hollywood Ending. It's as bleak as the walking dead.
Also I am going to be lost when this ends.....okay now I am really depressed...;)
Na, Michael will kill him... And Burt and Riley will not give up the hunt, they feel Scratch is nearly as bad a problem as Ink is.Quote:
Originally Posted by alexcadtek
NA! I actually think INK will be killed but it wont be Michael. he will get trapped or Hurt in the battle and then someone will come and save him and kill INK. VICTOR! Burt and Riley, I dont think they will leave and if they do then Michael and I think Victor and Saul will be hunting INK and Burt and Riley hunting Scratch, I think CJ would have a problem with having two teams out hunting other people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooer
what do you think about Datu? you think he will kill INK. he could sacrafice him self for the group?
Maybe Michael will die before it ends..... And Datu, i think he will do something important, just before he dies, although who knows what....Quote:
Originally Posted by alexcadtek
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Originally Posted by alexcadtek
this makes absolute sense to me. very well said, the only issue with it is, it forces people to think bigger than a hole in the ground.
We've got to keep it to the size of a hole in the ground size or our :tinfoil: won't protect us!Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
Yeah... I re-listened to the episode for taking notes on something or other that I can't even recall right now... I listened in Sonic Visualizer, y'know, just in case. Between my note taking and the visuals, I was paying a great deal of attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by scbubba
Spoilered for Maudlin & Depressing:
SPOILER
Yup. My thinking was that the arena was more that just a playground for his horde, it also served as training and selection for candidates.Quote:
Originally Posted by scbubba
Given that Arrow Head came from the prison wouldn't it make sense for the experiments that Ink was doing there must have coincided with what he was doing at the arena. Perhaps the two sites were just different pieces of the puzzle? One was a canteen (ew!) and the other was the laboratory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Shirt
I've been doing a bit of wandering around on the net, and a few ideas keep bumping into each other, but I haven't been able to pull out anything solid. The following are some disconnected bits and pieces that hopefully someone can help me connect. I apologize if this ground has already been covered, but I haven't had time to read all the messages in this lengthy thread.
Foremost among the ideas that frequently occur in my searches is hermeticism. From Wikipedia:
If memory serves, the fellas at We're Alive Fancast mentioned Golden Dawn in relation to one of the symbols. Interestingly, Golden Dawn gets a mention in the article on Hermeticism (as does Rosicrucianism). Someone should dig further into this. The cipher manuscripts of the Golden Dawn seem particularly relevant with respect to Ink's writings.Quote:
"Much of the importance of Hermeticism arises from its connection with the development of science during the time from 1300 to 1600 A.D. The prominence that it gave to the idea of influencing or controlling nature led many scientists to look to magic and its allied arts (e.g., alchemy, astrology) which, it was thought, could put Nature to the test by means of experiments.Consequently it was the practical aspects of Hermetic writings that attracted the attention of scientists."
Hermetic teachings refer to three parts of the wisdom of the whole universe: alchemy, astrology, and theurgy.
Other topics that come up are aspects of esotericism and theosophy.
Someone mentioned that Ink may have an image of a benzene molecule. Interestingly, benzene as a tie to occult and alchemical symbolism. The fellow who discovered the ring structure of benzene said that the idea came to him in a daydream of an uroboros, a snake eating its own tail. Snakes and serpents show up in countless mythologies.
Lastly, I think the Borromean rings on Angel's ring should be looked into. I have a sneaky suspicion that the Family has some connection to Ink and his mystery cult.
Well, it's quite late here, so I should hit the hay. I hope this helps someone move the symbol and story investigations along. :)
That would be the Veve for Erzulie, I talk briefly about her HERE.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
The mini Rosetta Stone that Kc himself provided.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jannit
And another molecule: To the left of the sun icon and above the molecule chain. Might be an isomer of Hydrogenated Cyclopentane.
(See the above Erzulie link, there's a highlighted picture in that same post.)
A few things I'd like to throw out there again are:
- Do the positions of the tattoos have meaning? (IE: Chi Meridians, acupuncture/pressure points.)
- Handiness? The Papa Legba tattoo on the right hand, does that have meaning?
- Fading and seemingly overlapping tattoos of the chemical chains. Does that mean something? Is it meant to be representative of complex molecule chains rather than the "simple" Hydrocarbons I think they might be?
Alright, I managed to shake of the funk I was in and I thing I might have nailed something significant to the wall:
Test Subject #2, George Armstrong, 53. Inmate conflict. Doped with Folistatin and Stanozolol.
(You may note that Puck repeated himself, pronouncing it two different ways. Maybe to be sure we got the spelling right?)
Stanozolol is a synthetic anabolic steroid derived from Dihydrotestosterone.
(You'll need to click on the images, black lines on a clear background.)
This is Stanozolol:
Attachment 2985
This is Dihydrotestosterone:
Attachment 2986
Look familiar yet? It should, Dihydrotestosterone looks like the tattoo on the back of his hand.
Now, Stanozolol chemistry is a bit vague, but it is said that: "The pyrazole ring in stanozolol can be prepared from oxymetholone by the condensation of a keto-aldehyde with hydrazine."
The Pyrazole ring is the HN/N pentagon on the left side of the Stanozolol. It looks like this:
Attachment 2987
Now like I said, I'm not clear on the chemistry, but I think it means that Stanozolol is synthesized from Oxymetholone By building a Pyrazole ring on one end.
Oxymetholone loks like this:
Attachment 2988
That looks remarkably like the tattoo on the right side of his skull.... and that Hydrogenated Cyclopentane isomer I mentioned above? It's actually probably a Pyrazole ring. The synthesis of Pyrazoles mention de-hydrogenation. (The removal of that little forked tail.)
The tattoos on his body are describing the synthesizing of one of the chemicals that he is using in his experiments. Stanozolol.
Boom baby. I still got it. Maybe.
And look at that...red wins the internet again.
that also reminds me. Everyone keeps calling it the eye of horus, when in fact its reversed. Making it the eye of thoth. I think I said that in this thread but it slipped down the cracks
Hey!Quote:
Originally Posted by alexcadtek
Those are very, very good questions. Here are my takes on them:
As for how Ink realizes his Alpha Status: We know that zombs do not attack each other in general. According to Skittles there are exceptions which include special zombs, but this does not change the general rule. Especially because we know it: most of the times zombs hunt in packs or appear in huge numbers attacking survivors; and except for #7 attacking a regular at ground zero we don't have a single eye report speaking of zombs attacking zombs. When Ink became one of them and got out of the van, the zombs did not attack him either. And they also seemed to acknowledge his alpha-status. So I would say that that might be the earliest moment at which he has realized his power ober other zeehs, if it has not been the moment when them regulars stopped damahing the van he was in.
As for other intelligent zombs: cunning we had right from the beginning even with regulars. Was it in the garage of the Tower, when one zomb played hide and seek with Angel and Saul in order to avoid being shot? Or was this on their first scavenge run? Then Burt has mentioned the Smart Ones and has told Saul and Angel what makes them more dangerous. This gets validatet or verified by Skittles, who has spoken about them being around book stores, who have been the nearly worst nightmares. Then we have Randy, whi seems to be a very smart one as well. Ink is outstanding. Already in life he was outstanding as a scientist; and his exceptional brainsszzZZ still makes the difference.
As for why the survivors have not met more smart zombs: This is actually the same number-issue as with normal zeehs: at the time of the zombocalypse
LA had roughly 3 to 3.5 million inhabitants and employees in town. But there were no more then a couple of thousands of zombs right from the beginning, because mostly them zeehs did kill their victims, and only few made it to become zeehs. Also it is safe to assume that police and military services might have killed at least some of them zeehs in the beginning. Just remember how deserted the streets were already when Michael, Angel, and Saul left the base in order to get to the Tower. That was like hours after zombocalypse struck; and in a place with hundreds of thousands up to millions of potential zeehs this should be striking. And the deserted streets and random encounters with zeehs was and is pretty much the rule in the WA Story; this would only change, when the survivors have come very close to certain spots - the Arena and the Hospital, that's it. Considering these rough estimates I tend to assume that the fraction of smart ones within the number of all zombs might be similar low as with the number of really smart people in the average human society.
So still: these are simplifying assessments mostly based in what we actually know from the show. That's why I still lean towards Ink and his zombs adapting towards a major change in the ecology rather than having started it all. I may be wrong, though.
And all this with the tiny iPhone display ...
Best wishes!
Liam
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P.S.: I remember Kc having mentioned something along this line on the WA Fancast - it all started at Ground Zero, and because none survived at what happened there it will remain a mystery how exactly it all started. I think this leaves some room for speculations whether Ink has started the Ground Zero situation, or someone/-thing else. Against Ink is to be mentioned: at the time Ground Zero happened Ink was in custody already for some time - at least enough time for having received the tatoos in jail; so whatever happened there at Ground Zero, Ink must have had some people assisting him doing so. So - is he kind of a a leader terrorist, a cultist, or a solitary madman?
Nowadays, if We're alive were a Hollywood product, the ideal solution would be to solve this myth in a prequel series (of movies). By the way, why would somebody zombify the whole world when there is not admiration, recognition, fear to receive from rapidly diminishing mankind? But well, on the other hand, creating chaos can be a motivation...Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfmkRi_tr9c
When i type in either Eye of Thoth or Eye of Horus, they both come up with the same image of the Wedjat.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
Unrelated, i found a fairly interesting image that shows that each piece of the Wedjat relates to the senses of the human body....
Attachment 2994
Well shit now I'm confused....
maybe this'll help. I need sleep, but I skimmed it. No NSA material here.
http://www.eyeofthemagi.com/read_more.html
All these symbols. Where's Professor Robert Langdon when we need him? :nik:
Ugh, the problem is that relatively simple designs can be used by many different cultures to mean different things. Take 14 for example. The birds foot. Could be a song birds foot. Three toes in front and one behind. This facilitates their ability to perch on a branch and sing. So, a peaceful songbird. Raptors (hawk, owl, eagle,eyc) have talons and are built to grab prey. So, they look different. But, maybe it is not a pretty songbird singing about love. Maybe it is a carrion crow...
But, forget birds, maybe it is a rune, simple straight lines, easy to cut. Oh, wait, it is also an alchemical symbol for brimstone. Violence and war and hell. To further exploit that, some groups also consider it a broken cross and emphasize the satanic. Oh, but wait, in the 60s people drew a circle around it and called it a peace symbol.
So, what the heck does it mean to ink?
Now we get to some of the more complicated ones. That three ring chemical is not in the testosterone family. Testosterone has five rings. Unless it is supposed to be??? Are the symbols correct? There has been some liberty taken with previous artwork. The tricyclics are a class of drugs that can be old school anti-depresents and anti-psychotics. Also, anti-histamine. The photo is not awesome, so it is hard to go after the excruciating detail. Worse, we also have to get into the "handedness" of the molecule. Like scissors. A right hand drug might do great things and the left handed version sucks...