Chapter 26- "Who Overcomes" Part 2

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Originally Posted by reaper239

dude, i said the same thing like, forever ago (ok, seems like forever) and everyone said i was crazy :tinfoil: i said that if i were michael i would tell everyone to make sure to police their brass when possible and everyone was all like, "oh, you're gonna have people pick up casings when the zombies are coming?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! that's rediculous, you're rediculous, that'd never work, that's silly." well booyah. i said it months ago that it was a good idea, and that burt would have the skill set to reload, and now we have someone else saying that's it's not only wise, but practical. :p :nyanr::nyanr::nyanr::nyan:

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That convo about the brass was during the Pippen murder. There was no brass then and I was saying that a killer isn't going to have the time to police his/her brass in a room and after an assassination. I also think we went on about needing the proper equipment.
Burt may have had such stuff at his spot, but I'm going out on a limb and will say that "that stuff was jacked too" during the Mallers sweeps.
They have the manpower to and probably a few trained people to do it.

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Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel

That convo about the brass was during the Pippen murder. There was no brass then and I was saying that a killer isn't going to have the time to police his/her brass in a room and after an assassination. I also think we went on about needing the proper equipment.
Burt may have had such stuff at his spot, but I'm going out on a limb and will say that "that stuff was jacked too" during the Mallers sweeps.
They have the manpower to and probably a few trained people to do it.

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oh yeah, i think that was the problem. either way, i'm NOT CRAZY! :mad::tinfoil:

Let's not be too hard on Victor. He flees the colony at night and arrives at the tower the next morning. A little more than 24 hours later he drives Pegs to the JGG. He cleans the inside of the chopper and stands post for a couple of hours as they get to the secon' choppa. An hour after that he is in the hummer with the crew to save lizzy. Comes back to the tower in the heat of the engagement. The tower collapses and he retreats with Saul.

Not a lot of time to resupply.

At some point Victor says he was recon for the colony. But it is unclear if it was a listening post or patrol

btw, the title has been bugging me, not knowing who overcomes, but i think i figured it out:

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and just so you know, if you mess with me

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It isn't a matter of training or military experience. It's a matter of common sense. If I know I'm away from my unit for any period of time, I will have food for myself for more than the time I'm expected to be away. Sure, my experience level helps me decide the most effective way to carry that food and how to get the most of out the least amount, but he should be able to figure out to bring some food. Anyone who has been deployed can tell you complacency kills. I understand that it was a whirlwind of action for him from leaving the colony to where they're at now, but the dude can't think ahead. He seems like he's always asking questions and never really has any ideas.

Here's my problem with picking up brass to reload. If it's military, it's much harder to reload with civilian equipment. Even if it's not, it's still a time consuming process. I get being short on ammo, but there are better options than trying to set up a reloading station, making sure your loads are reliable and somewhat accurate, and taking the time to reload. You're less likely to find more powder, primers, and bullets than you are boxes of ammo. I'd say they policed up their brass to hide caliber/numbers more than to reload.

i don't know about it being a matter of common sense, until i started reading on military history and what-not, it had never really crossed my mind. now that i am switching my mentality to a preparedness mindset and since i've started reading on military tactics it has occured to me and i've begun taking steps to ensure that i'm prepared for almost any eventuality, but before that, i hadn't considered it. ignorance is bliss after all.

regarding reloading, i disagree a little. i'll give you that reloading isn't easy, and that it's time consuming, but when people buy reloading materials they usually buy in bulk so if you could find the right supplies you could potentially have a lot to work with. if they're using common calibers that makes it even easier. plus, do you really think that scratch's band of mallers would have the presence of mind to want to pick up their brass for strategic reasons? also, the only people they were really worried about are gone: those in the tower would be presumed dead, while those in da choppa would be presumed to not be coming back. one more thing, they were on their way out of the area, they were leaving that part of town, so with the tower gone this poses two questions: who are they hiding their numbers from, and why hide them when that area's no longer your concern? if anything, i'd spread the brass out and make it look like there were more of us. the only reason i can see for collecting the brass is to pad their ammo count. would you rather spend a few hours reloading all the brass you shot or would you rather go out short?

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Originally Posted by looney

It isn't a matter of training or military experience. It's a matter of common sense. If I know I'm away from my unit for any period of time, I will have food for myself for more than the time I'm expected to be away. Sure, my experience level helps me decide the most effective way to carry that food and how to get the most of out the least amount, but he should be able to figure out to bring some food. Anyone who has been deployed can tell you complacency kills. I understand that it was a whirlwind of action for him from leaving the colony to where they're at now, but the dude can't think ahead. He seems like he's always asking questions and never really has any ideas.

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But with victor, the last chance he had to resupply was at the tower before leaving to the air port with pegs. After that he was on the assault team at the peg-less swap, and immediately after that, he was back at the tower with the hummer and defending against the mallers. So the whole time, he was depending on the hummer. I'm sure he had supplies , but it was all probably in the hummer. So when that got taken out the way it did, it's more than likely that all he was able to grab was his rifle, leaving the food and supplies behind because he was in the middle of a warzone?

they went back to the hummer. if his supplies were kept in a backpack it would be likely that that would be intact. plus, saul was able to maintain positive control on his supplies. also, the way they were talking was as if victor didn't pack anything, you know the whole "piss poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine."

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Originally Posted by looney

It isn't a matter of training or military experience. It's a matter of common sense. If I know I'm away from my unit for any period of time, I will have food for myself for more than the time I'm expected to be away. Sure, my experience level helps me decide the most effective way to carry that food and how to get the most of out the least amount, but he should be able to figure out to bring some food. Anyone who has been deployed can tell you complacency kills. I understand that it was a whirlwind of action for him from leaving the colony to where they're at now, but the dude can't think ahead. He seems like he's always asking questions and never really has any ideas.

Here's my problem with picking up brass to reload. If it's military, it's much harder to reload with civilian equipment. Even if it's not, it's still a time consuming process. I get being short on ammo, but there are better options than trying to set up a reloading station, making sure your loads are reliable and somewhat accurate, and taking the time to reload. You're less likely to find more powder, primers, and bullets than you are boxes of ammo. I'd say they policed up their brass to hide caliber/numbers more than to reload.

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I don't think it's so much that the mallers are picking up the brass but that maybe the zombies are. I don't see the mallers setting up a re-loading operation unless they found a huge ammount of primers and powder and I can't see them burning the calories to hide what type and caliber rounds they are firing, what's the benifit to them in the long run? I think that this might be a yet-to-be-released plot point in the story... or just a way for KC to say "Shits been stripped bare"

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Originally Posted by litmaster

Barracks at Ft. Irwin
- The whole base looked about the same to Michael as the last time he was there (before the zombie outbreak) except for the barracks, which have been turned into a mini-fortress with sandbags, guards, & towers. However, the fact that no one else seems to be within tells me that the compound was designed to keep people in more than out, which would make it more like a prison.

- The smell inside the barracks might suggest that some of the previous evacuees who have been transported here (as some of us were guessing) later turned zombie and were contained within this barracks area. This would explain the heavy fortification and the orders not to leave.

- Are there any other 'inmates' currently in this little barracks-prison? And why did Puck tell them to stay off the 2nd and 3rd floors? What's up there... a morgue??

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Don't read too much into the smell thing... Barraks on a good day smell like a gym and on a bad day (when we all get back from the field) they smell like feet ass and mildew. I got to go back and listen again but the whole thing sounded like a defenseive perimiter (the guns and towers were pointing out not in).
And the orders to stay in the barraks seem legit as well, you don't want some guys that just got there wandering around like they own the place, and lets face it Mike was being a dick to Puck.

I of course am being a little biased, I want Irwin to be the safe haven it seems (maybe with a little drama with the COL. who we have yet to meet) and not be like how the military is treated in alot of the zombie movies and books, either incompetent or blood thirsty murderers and rapists.