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I have come up with the theory that the next episode will reveal the rat. But only if they have sided with the tower. I think when the rat is told (by scratch) about what Saul is going to do, the rat will reveal their identity to Michael to stop Saul. However they wont be able to warn Pegs in time and Datu will die.
This would go in this thread right here. It was kinda hidden. http://zombiepodcast.com/forum/showt...s-The-Rat-v2.0
I think it was Kelly based on the fact she was trying to get her own nephew thrown out of the tower, she was behaving in a way that raised suspicion and was easily the most unlikable person in the tower in my opinion. While yes it is a standard writing ploy to misdirect your focus and attention by creating an easily hate-able character and then making the rat/mole someone else... she was in a real hurry to get her nephew safely out of harms way.
By that I mean the raid on the tower was about to happen, she had to know there was a good chance her nephew would be killed in the raid.
What better way to protect him than to get him out of the building?
Well her or our French friend who was acting so oddly just after Pip showed up.
I originally thought that Riley is the rat but after listening to both season one and season two (minus finale) I think that the traitor is either Kelly or Steven. Back in season 1 Riley, Angel, Datu, Kalani, Burt, Saul, and Michael were out of the tower. Michael , Burt, and Saul were rescuing Angel, Riley, Datu, and Kalani from the Arena. It was when they came back from the tower that they found that the ammo and food had been stolen.
That leaves Lizzy, Pegs, Kelly, Bill, Steven, and Tommy. Tommy and Bill are dead so I eliminate them since they couldn't have killed Pippin. I cant completely rule out Kelly because she was interrogating Pippin for a while and he didnt seem to see her as a threat but I think that Pippin may have not known what the traitor looked like. He may have only known that there was a traitor in the tower and would have only known who it was when they were going to kill him.
Lizzy was with the mallers when Pippin was killed so I rule her out and I don't think that she would betray the tower. That leaves us with Pegs and Steven. I think that would be a wicked curve ball if it ended up being Pegs but I think that the rat is Steven. He was in the tower when the ammo and food were stolen. He didn't want to guard Pippen because he "got the creeps" from (not sure if that was the exact quote) him. I think Steven didn't want to be in the room while everyone was interrogating him because Pippin would have recognized him. He waited for the right moment to trigger the alarm and shot Pippin so that no one would know that he was the traitor.
I can't wait for the finale and I hope that they let us know who the traitor is.
Seems like I might be right. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cupcakezombie
the rat is a girl, Scratch said so, I think it's Pegs.
That would explain the reason Pegs was so sad after killing Latch, because she never meant for him to die, she stopped liking the mallers half way through chapter 12 and then almost instantly turned into Badass pegs
heres the thing...and we now have to wait a long time to learn more info. but my thinking this whole time has been "only believe half of kalani's stories"..that being said..assumeing he did land at lax..then this hannah person was with him..if im remembering correctly, he did say three of them survived..not sure what to make of that yet..but we'll see, i suppose
I don't think Kalani was the mole, because if he was the Mallers would know the Tower (They will always be the tower) had a Helicopter.
I think that he arrived from Hawaii was pretty much confirmed because there was a crashed Hawaiin Airlines at LAX.
Did he go to the other tower? I think so because Samantha might have known him (possible)
Obviously got caught by the zombs. How come Samantha got taken and not him?
When did he get contacted by the mallers? hmmm...
When did Hannah get caught?
Still room to theorize here.
Remember: the rat was on the Tower's side afterwards, that's why they didn't kill Hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by daredevil
Not if he stopped working with them after the War. Pippin seems to have been sent in to get the rat back in line. So Kalani could have given the Mallers info leading up to the War and then broken off contact because he didn't want to get anyone else hurt or killed.Quote:
Originally Posted by daredevil
I was talking about the "her" that Scratch mentions.Quote:
Originally Posted by GD_Elite
YEa i knew it, fuck pippen. oh and sorry raith but uh angels the rat
Because Ra1th didn't jump on this soon enough and it serves my best interest as kalani theorist, Angel is a SUSPECT for the rat. It's unlikely considering Hope's story about Pippin's death. Kalani is the top suspect, but we won't know for sure until next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by StickUpKid
I can totally see them opening the bag, seeing the half eaten journal and then Angel spending hours trying to piece it back together. With pieces that could be a confession but never knowing for sure. That would suck.
I can believe that Kalani was in fact the rat if the assumption, that the rat had changed its alliance from the mallers to the tower is true. I've always had him pegged as a snake in the grass. Despite the improvements he had made in his own character I'm glad Kalani is dead. He was still kind of a douche. As for Angel being the rat, well I don't buy it. I do believe that he has a strong connection to the mailers but I believe its merely history prior to the outbreak. Angel isn't my favorite character but to label him as the rat is too big of a leap for me.
Just my opinion....
the rat sub-plot is now effectively over...sure..at some point during season three we may get some kind of resolution to what kalani did and why...but we now have all the pieces we need...all we lack is the parts to put it all together. Kalani's final words to angel were the closest thing to a confession we're gonna get...you can only take subtlety so far...we have our answer to this, now we just have to accept it.
And by the end...i grew quite fond of Kalani...sad he died really..
Angel is the mole. The Mallers are forcing him to do it because they hold some trump card over him (perhaps the mentioned "second hostage"). Who's the second person the Mallers captured at the end with the old man? Angel perhaps? Scratch did seem pleased. Perhaps Kalani told Angel to find his journals because they might contain information on how to help him out of his predicament. I'm not ready to write Kalani off as the mole... seems too obvious.
I disagree wholeheartedly with your assessment. We have all rallied against the idea of a dead rat reveal. That's why we don't believe it was Bill. Why would that rule of thumb change just because the "leading horse" in the debate is dead now? Isn't it still more impactful if the rat is alive and with the group surviving on the helicopter? And if the rat and the assassin are the same, they still have to answer for what happened to Pippin....or not. He was a bastard anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
The rat is still very much alive. And they still have a lot of opportunities to screw with the Tower (albeit not on purpose. They are going to try to hide their existence to their up most ability....who knows what that will lead to.
on this subject i will happily agree to disagree...we will find out who's rats living or dead at some point in the next..year? *crosses fingers*...i just feel like there's enough meat to the story now to make the rat situation take a very firm position on the back burner....on a low simmer...Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
and the maulers had his girl friend. Why didn't he come clean to Angel and Michael? Especially after Angel had saved his butt on the base. Once He and Angel had came back from getting the M.R.E's. What would he had to loose? Yea he could have been kicked out. I would rather take my chances with the people that had rescued me from certain death more than once than the people that where holding my girlfriend hostage.
Its simple. He isn't the informer.
Eeeexactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by usmcludwig
Too many things don't line up.
There's already a thread about who's the rat. Let's just keep everything in there.
as the title says... i think i know who the rat is... i've recently been going back in listening to the whole first season and working my way through the second. ok here it goes... and please shoot it down if you can... i welcome it.
Kelly is the rat... Mike and Angel are talking this last time about how whoever the rat is is now with the tower... if we look at all the main characters who is the perfect depiction of someone who wasn't with anything the tower was doing and then all of a sudden was with the tower... Kelly. At first everything they did was wrong and she wanted to leave and wanted everyone to revolt... maybe to thin out the number of people in the tower... but after "the war" and tommy's death she changes and wants to help. Now if Kayloni's "Hannah" was in fact the red head that was shot at the golf course then that means he has a connection with the mallers... and who was the first person kayloni talks to when he gets to the tower... Kelly... maybe drawn to the only familiar face... and look at who the main person Pippin opens up to in the tower is... Kelly... and he says "you" because she just left the guard room... and comes back ready to blast his face off... yes it was a suprised "you" but wouldn't you be suprised if the one person who you thought was on your side in the tower walking in a room and pointed a gun at you. One more point before i let you guys have at it... Kelly always wanted to know what was going on... was always asking why... and never wanted to help... who would you want to help a group you were trying to f over... she is a lawyer... meaning she has had contact with criminals... and we all know that there are such things as currupt lawyers... oh and she was present at the tower before everytime the mallers showed up unlike the other popular choice for the rat which is Angel who was gone getting Datu back when all the stuff was stolen and the mallers showed up
ok guys... have at it
Merged this from another thread. And as always I shall play the Devil's Advocate, most of which I've already argued against the Kelly/Rat theories.Quote:
Originally Posted by wt91
We do not know what kind of lawyer Kelly is. Not all lawyers deal with criminals. Some lawyers broker deals between very large companies all day long and protect corporate interests.
Secondly, Kelly was the first person to fight back against the Mallers attacking the Tower in chapter 12. It was her voice that you hear telling Burt to pull his head back as they launch a couch over the side of the balcony.
Pippin's "you" can be in regards to any person he met in the Tower. Pippin knows there's an informant in the Tower but he doesn't know who it is...that information would probably not be trusted to him. If he interacted with every Tower member (I know he didn't but for the sake of argument lets say he did), and suddenly he sees that person appear in the doorway holding a gun at their side or in their hand, a surprised "you" works for any one of them.
Kelly's actions can be interpreted in different ways than what has been framed for us by Kc. We have our opinions of Kelly's early actions because of they way Kc has Michael, Angel, Saul. Lizzy etc etc react to her. Kelly is a very strong woman and is probably used to being more in charge of her life. She's a lawyer so she's used to being able to manipulate situations to her advantage but she's obviously not dealt with people who have stronger personalities than hers.
Am I saying she's not the rat? nope.
I don't think Kelly is the rat to me that seems like a red herring.My Theory is that riley is the rat. My reasons behind this are that firstly. She rejects all of angels advances but i don't believe her to be a lesbian because in chapter 24. Victor & Burt are messing with her about her rejection of angel and if she was gay wouldn't she just have admitted her sexuality then instead of putting up with them. This leads me to the conclusion that she is either rejecting angel over guilt over being the rat or the scratch is holding the person she already loves as a hostage. My second reason is that if she was the shooter the reason she chose to trip the alarm was in order to not have to kill angel because of all they have been through together. I also believe how they mention how she couldn't have been the shooter is just there to make us not suspect her. My third reason is that the reason she chose to volunteer to play the part of pegs in the hostage negotiation is because she thought that scratch wouldn't just shoot her if she was playing pegs because scratch would have known her incase she had been looking at the proceedings through a sniper scope. That could be why she refused to wear a bag over her head so that they could see her identity. It could also have been her way at trying to return to the mallers if she was the rat. My final reason is that she was knocked out in the finale so she couldn't reveal her guilt until series 3. Just my thoughts :zombie:
I agree with 7oddisdead on this and upon relistening to the series, I noticed something interesting:Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
When Kalani discovers that Angel is returning Latch's body in "Over the Air-Waves" Part 2 (7:22), Angel refers to Latch in gender-neutral terms: "them" or the "body". Without seeing the body, Kalani then quickly says he has no idea who that is and that he never met "him", giving away that he did know who Latch was, but was being overly hasty in denying it.
"hey guys! Come here!"
-Spoken by anybody who you wish to assign that to spoken to any gender make up group ever.
Kalani saying "him" (which I dispute) is common, especially amongst men, when assigning gender to an unknown person. Not everyone is PC.
And personally, it sounded like he said "I didn't know 'em" shortened from them. I don't hear the distinct "h" in the beginning.
I agree it is common to to hear people use "him" when talking about someone of an unknown gender. However it is quite uncommon to have a writer scripting your dialogue :) ... and writers can have reasons for using a particular wording. What stuck out to me more than KC's word choice for Kalani was that he had Angel using gender-neutral terms up until that point, despite knowing who Latch was.
(Just for clarification, these observations are not intended to be definitive evidence. I just found it interesting relistening to past episodes having Kalani in mind as the rat.)
Just having to say that i disagree that the rat sub plot is over. KC wouldn't tease us for so long without giving us a definitive answer at least i hope he wouldn't :mad:
One small thing I will say on the "rat plot is over" thing...in my mind I see the search for the rat as far as the characters are concerned, being over....by that I mean Michael and co will no longer be concerned with who the rat was....kalani now fits the bill... Truth be told I'm doubtful we learn the real story til the very end.
I could easily see a very long season three...full of many twists and turns...plots,subplots....none of which having a thing to do with "who's the rat"....then, at the very end(and I do mean,very end)...boom. Datu was the rat,....durai is his brother....or something silly-awesome like that...
I'm going with Kelly. She was very hostile when she first showed up. Where she came from was never explored. She threatened to leave and was called on her bluff by Michael to leave which made her look like an ass.
I think she's the rat. As Michael discussed with Angel, after Pippen was shot, he thinks the rat is now loyal to the Tower People. Kelly I think is now loyal to the Tower but that was after trusting her life with Angel and Pegs. If you found yourself in a zombie apocolypes would you be hostle to the people in charge from the very beginning? I doubt it. There's more to her that has yet to be revealed.
Ok
I guess I am doing the typical thing and posting a theory that might have already been discussed.
And I guess I am just gonna be that annoying guy who is a bit delayed on the series.
And I guess I might not and might be putting a good theory on the table.
Anyways I just wanted to say that I think Angel is the rat
First of all, do we know how the mallers knew of the arena?
My theory is that when Angel, Michael, Riley, and Datu are headed to the waterworks
Angel had a seperate plan: to find out were the zombies were gathering for the mallers
After Michael "is lost" Angel still goes to the trackers even after Datu and Riley try to persuade him
not to go.
He says " I have to do this right now, I'm not asking you to understand O.K.? I just need to." Chp.8 Pa.3
Then I started wondering... why would he do that???
Michael "died" and they have very few supplies why would he risk it.
Then I remembered what Scratch said "...although you do look somewhat familiar." Chp. 8 Pa.1
So maybe Scratch knew Angel from some other time or heard his voice, maybe through a radio.
And after they go to the arena guess what, quite a few episodes later the arena is bombed by
guess who? the mallers!!!
How did they know that? Angel told them!!!
Oh well thats my theory, I dont think he is doing it on purpose just that maybe he is being bribed or
forced to tell them.
Also Angel is very eager to kill Scratch and Latch and calls them "crazy" and that "you cannot put reason into anything they do"
He probably wouldn't be able to say that unless he had tried to reason with them earlier on or something like that.
OH WELL. You guys tell me what you think.
Can i just interject with a quick thing i noticed
When burt and saul are at the airport, after they blow up the blasting cap walkie talkie contraption
they search for a a silenced pistol which is supposed to be in there bag but it isnt there
which means someone must of taken it When they went to the maulers original base which was empty.
That person must have also helped out with the unloading of the weapons for them to keep it outside burts safe...
The only 2 people who could of done this are Riley and angel.....
I suspect that there may not but just one mole though.....
I keep hering a rumor that Richard (rick) Barboza will be written into the next season. Could he be the mole?