Chapter 45-1: Distorted Truths

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

I think there was a goodbye between them, when R2Da2 was working on the windmill-water-pump-thingy. But I am not certain and way tooooo lazy (aka busy with other shit) to listen to that episode again ...

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Yeah... I'd blocked that out. Good call.

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Originally Posted by Gooer
Wow, that's mean.

Nothing against the actress, mind you. Just a whiny character I could do without.

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In all fairness to Osiris, I think we can all relate. This is how I feel about Scratch.

A short remark. Working hypothesis: the moral majority on this forum expects Scratch and Ink to be killed by Team Good ultimately by the end of the season. If Team Good is killed instead, my guess is that this would be regarded as a valid but not very likely possibility. In my opinion, most of the forum members are crossing their fingers for a more positive outcome.

Personally, I am a bit torn - because I like Scratch very much. But this shall not be discussed here.

If Scratch is killed someday, I will be sad but also satisfied as well because she never was that omnipotent prime evil we have come to know as the evil overlord Ink. Every drop of blood spilled, each finger cut off, the very tension in the air which surrounded each and every confrontation with her will be remembered.

Having said that, I do not know what to with Ink. It is a strange feeling, you know. He is the big evil mastermind, the one who pulls the strings, but really, I strongly believe that (if it will happen) Ink's death will not have the same impact on me than Scratch's potential death. It is hard to find the right words as both "baddies" are great. Maybe it resembles my Star Wars experience, I cared for the Leia and Han subplot as well as for Darth Vader (Sith choking grasp and epic one-liners) but I always considered the Emperor to be much more than a necessary part of the story in order to get things going, you know.

The bottom line is, I hope that Ink will get more backstory before the story ends.

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

In all fairness to Osiris, I think we can all relate. This is how I feel about Scratch.

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Is there anything Scratch can do to meld your heart, WD? :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYgOlqinH7A

Oh, I see how it is... I make one little remark and you start jumping all over homegirl's tits. You guys are evil! MEAN PEOPLE! MEAN!!!! Scratch did nothing wrong.


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Osiris, after reading your posts about Victor and Kelly, I couldn't help but think about how it went down at the colony. Well, maybe it went a little like this.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMUDVMiITOU

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Scratch did nothing wrong.

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nothing wrong.

nothing wrong.

nothing wrong.

Are we talking about Scratch here....?

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1. Good guys kill Scratch and the rest of the Mallers, Ink, and all this Little ones/other important roles, aka Randy - hopefully, should be this one.

2. Good guys kill Ink and his generals, but Scratch manages to escape - unlikely.....

3. Ink kills everyone in the Colony - not sure, but still likely. But that wouldn't explain the Journals being read, unless they were read by another group.......

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Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek

because she never was that omnipotent prime evil we have come to know as the evil overlord Ink.

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I tend to disagree. She is the human prime evil thing in WA-verse, while Ink is the male pendant on the zombie-horde-side. Just try to recall every moment in time when she twisted the words of her counterparts in her favor. She was very skilled in doing so; and her talents to take advantage of almost any situation are unmatched by anyone - but not anything like Ink ...

Best wishes!
Liam

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Originally Posted by Gooer

Possible outcomes:

1. Good guys kill Scratch and the rest of the Mallers, Ink, and all this Little ones/other important roles, aka Randy - hopefully, should be this one.

2. Good guys kill Ink and his generals, but Scratch manages to escape - unlikely.....

3. Ink kills everyone in the Colony - not sure, but still likely. But that wouldn't explain the Journals being read, unless they were read by another group.......

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You left out ink and scratch takin each other out.

Or

Ink changing scratch. Then scratch, not one to take orders, kills ink and and with the entire Zombie army under her control hunts down pegs. 😈

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Originally Posted by Z Sniper

Osiris, after reading your posts about Victor and Kelly, I couldn't help but think about how it went down at the colony. Well, maybe it went a little like this.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMUDVMiITOU

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So.... that dude just raped an entire apartment.... that's fucked up, bro.

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Originally Posted by pmchawk

You left out ink and scratch takin each other out.

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I guess, but how likely would that be? :D

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Originally Posted by Gnex

Wow...... you get sick for a few days and you miss 20 pages of forum activity!!!
2) Also, Tardust claims that Scratch was not coming, and not going to meet him there. So why does he replace the key in the storm drain??? Or is he waiting on someone else? Would seem to me if you are exhausted you would keep the key, so that no one can get inside with you...... Or at least they would have to break a door/window..... which would give you time to react!

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There is another rule for safehouse operation.

Once all members using the safehouse are inside, the safehouse should not be accessible except though the use of force.

Then there should be an alarm, a defensive plan, and a backup exit.

There was none of these as Tardust slept. He was waiting on someone, or he was extremely stupid.

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Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek

Is there anything Scratch can do to meld your heart, WD? :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYgOlqinH7A

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Thanks, that's stuck on my head now.

And is going to replay in my head EVERY TIME Witch Doctor posts something.

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Originally Posted by TacticalJHP

There is another rule for safehouse operation.

Once all members using the safehouse are inside, the safehouse should not be accessible except though the use of force.

Then there should be an alarm, a defensive plan, and a backup exit.

There was none of these as Tardust slept. He was waiting on someone, or he was extremely stupid.
Thanks, that's stuck on my head now.

And is going to replay in my head EVERY TIME Witch Doctor posts something.

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Exactly! Tardust is not stupid. It smells like a trap.

"oo ee oo ah ahhh, ting tang, walla walla bing bang" - D.W. Witch Doctor

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

Exactly! Tardust is not stupid. It smells like a trap.

"oo ee oo ah ahhh, ting tang, walla walla bing bang" - D.W. Witch Doctor

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But he is...not brilliant. It might be someone other than Scratch.

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Originally Posted by Gnex

2) Also, Tardust claims that Scratch was not coming, and not going to meet him there. So why does he replace the key in the storm drain??? Or is he waiting on someone else? Would seem to me if you are exhausted you would keep the key, so that no one can get inside with you...... Or at least they would have to break a door/window..... which would give you time to react!

3) Finally, Tardust says "I left her behind" when he is questioned about Scratch. Everything we have known about Scratch tells us that she is not someone that you "Leave behind"..... So did Tardust lie about Scratch's whereabouts? Did he sneak away from her?? Or is Scratch injured somewhere and he really did "leave" her???

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Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek

Hm, why does Tardust not carry the key to the house with him? Does he expect Scratch to return later on to the house?

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I'm thinking that Tar finally got sick of Scratch... but the key left in the storm drain is suspicious, you are right. Regardless, it is intriguing to me what Burt/Riley are going to DO with him now that they've got him...

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Originally Posted by EpiEpee

So Riley is out to Burt, and Burt is narrating in his journal. Burt's journal will possibly be transcribed by Tanya or Kelly before the final. If so, Riley may be outed to a lot of people she wasn't planning on being outed to quite yet.....potential for extra drama?

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Ugh... why does this even matter? What difference does it make which gender Riley slept with prior to the outbreak?

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Originally Posted by Cabbage Patch

3. I always assumed that Scratch and the Mallers took the SWAT Van. Even on her own, Scratch should be able to do a lot of damage to one of the Colonist's convoys that big, heavy armored truck.

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I thought that van was NOT stolen by Scratch, but some miscellaneous Mallers, who got overrun by Zeds soon after they made it out of the Colony gates. I'm pretty sure that's what happened, but not sure where I heard that. Fact checkers, anyone?

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Originally Posted by Storm

I kinda liked the way the easter egg episode (yes, I'll call it that) was set up... Going from R&B to M&V, then back to R&B... I dunno, it just felt a bit more... Fun that way...
I really like that Tardust is starting to show his face some more, whether he'll help the good Guys I don't know, but I kinda hope so. :)

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Originally Posted by Merlin1274

Things I picked up on first.. Burt and Michael narrated. So they will survive this Chapter and Ink is on to them. He had the hole filled back in. So they only entrance now they know about again will lead them back to the Arena.

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Originally Posted by Merlin1274

Burt Narrated in this chapter.. I do not see him dying in it.. Would not go along with what I have been noticing this in the story.. Those who no longer narrate are most likely to die. I think the the ones that narrate are alive at the end.. I guess I will have to wait till the end to see if I am correct.

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Originally Posted by TacticalJHP

All the narration means is that he wrote in the journal, not that he lives at the end.

Remember, Kalani had a narration too. A good chunk of chapter 27, after he was dead.

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THANK YOU!! Can we please dispense with the narrational predictive analyzing? I hope that Kc has the next four chapters all narrated by Angel, just to fuck with everybody... :nik:

Tardust strikes me as more of a pyro or a bomb maker than a pure genius.... The only "grand" thing we have seen him do/attempt was the attack on the arena.....

I could see Burt and Riley holding him hostage, or perhaps he really has gotten sick and tired of Scratch.... Gives up the goods on her..... Helps take her down.... And becomes a good guy..... Who then rigs some sort of explosion to get back into the tunnels to go after Ink???!!??? :tinfoil:

The chapter is called distorted truths..... So maybe everything he said was a lie.....

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Originally Posted by Litmaster

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I'm thinking that Tar finally got sick of Scratch... but the key left in the storm drain is suspicious, you are right. Regardless, it is intriguing to me what Burt/Riley are going to DO with him now that they've got him...



Ugh... why does this even matter? What difference does it make which gender Riley slept with prior to the outbreak?



I thought that van was NOT stolen by Scratch, but some miscellaneous Mallers, who got overrun by Zeds soon after they made it out of the Colony gates. I'm pretty sure that's what happened, but not sure where I heard that. Fact checkers, anyone?





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THANK YOU!! Can we please dispense with the narrational predictive analyzing? I hope that Kc has the next four chapters all narrated by Angel, just to fuck with everybody... :nik:

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As far as I remember you are right about the van, think Kc explained it to us a while back...
Oh, and I am not analysing the narrations in the episode, I am simply just saying that I like how the view switches back and forth between the two POV's, instead of having them in each their half of the episode.

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Originally Posted by Z Sniper

Osiris, after reading your posts about Victor and Kelly, I couldn't help but think about how it went down at the colony. Well, maybe it went a little like this.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMUDVMiITOU

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It's like a twisted version of how the first tower collapsed.....

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Originally Posted by TacticalJHP

Thanks, that's stuck on my head now.

And is going to replay in my head EVERY TIME Witch Doctor posts something.

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You are welcome. :D

Tardust is supposed to be some sort of hardened criminal from eastern bay. I'd be surprised if he would give information that easily without something being up.

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Originally Posted by Bullethead

Tardust is supposed to be some sort of hardened criminal from eastern bay. I'd be surprised if he would give information that easily without something being up.

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He is also the type to do anything to save his skin, including rat Scratch or anyone else out.

Especially when there is a big bearded man with a gun in your face, and a woman with a Bow in your...

Let's assume face as well.

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Originally Posted by Bullethead

Tardust is supposed to be some sort of hardened criminal from eastern bay. I'd be surprised if he would give information that easily without something being up.

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Tardust is about as hard as Jello....... He is a Lackey and he is going to anything he can to save himself.

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

I tend to disagree. She is the human prime evil thing in WA-verse, while Ink is the male pendant on the zombie-horde-side. Just try to recall every moment in time when she twisted the words of her counterparts in her favor. She was very skilled in doing so; and her talents to take advantage of almost any situation are unmatched by anyone - but not anything like Ink ...

Best wishes!
Liam

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Yeah, I concur - to a certain degree. But in my opinion, the way Scratch just embraced the new possibilities which were caused by Ink's actions. If she had played nice at the beginning of the zombicalypse she would have been already dead by now. Think about what almost happened to Lizzy when she was thrown out of the tower. She is of course a perfect predator. But this this is her way of surviving. Ink, the human life-extinction-event meteorit that hit LA created this niche for her. However, I would not call her more brutal, bloodthirsty or manical than the arbitrary African warlord we put our conscience aside for in order to gain access to noble earths e.g.

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Originally Posted by Gnex

Tardust strikes me as more of a pyro or a bomb maker than a pure genius.... The only "grand" thing we have seen him do/attempt was the attack on the arena.....

I could see Burt and Riley holding him hostage, or perhaps he really has gotten sick and tired of Scratch.... Gives up the goods on her..... Helps take her down.... And becomes a good guy..... Who then rigs some sort of explosion to get back into the tunnels to go after Ink???!!??? :tinfoil:....

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This episode reveals a little more about why Lizzie's death was necessary... What does Michael need now to get Ink and the zombies? An expert at blowing shit up... Tardust's orchestrated the destruction of the arena. He's a survivor who seems to have little loyalty to anyone else's cause, just to keeping himself alive. So, if Burt and Riley bring him in, he'll have his big role to play...
Lizzie was the only one who knew Tardust was the one who attacked her, no one else saw it or knows what the guy looked like.
If she had been alive they brought him in, no way would Saul let him take another breath...(my Tinfoil hat money is for Saul to piece it together, though, as the plan is about to go or is currently in motion...)

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Originally Posted by Tar Heel Fan

This episode reveals a little more about why Lizzie's death was necessary... What does Michael need now to get Ink and the zombies? An expert at blowing shit up... Tardust's orchestrated the destruction of the arena. He's a survivor who seems to have little loyalty to anyone else's cause, just to keeping himself alive. So, if Burt and Riley bring him in, he'll have his big role to play...
Lizzie was the only one who knew Tardust was the one who attacked her, no one else saw it or knows what the guy looked like.
If she had been alive they brought him in, no way would Saul let him take another breath...(my Tinfoil hat money is for Saul to piece it together, though, as the plan is about to go or is currently in motion...)

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Will definately be weird for him and Saul to just be sitting there talking and neither one knows the others back story.......... But I totally agree..... If Saul pieces it together, or Tardust lets something slip that links him to it....... bye bye Tardust.....

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Originally Posted by Litmaster

I'm thinking that Tar finally got sick of Scratch... but the key left in the storm drain is suspicious, you are right. Regardless, it is intriguing to me what Burt/Riley are going to DO with him now that they've got him...

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I'm betting that Tardust rolls over and joins the good guys. Maybe his chemist background could help Tanya analyze the ground zero gas. Also, we'll need someone to offer a firsthand account of Tardust and Scratch outside the Colony's wall.

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Originally Posted by Litmaster

I thought that van was NOT stolen by Scratch, but some miscellaneous Mallers, who got overrun by Zeds soon after they made it out of the Colony gates. I'm pretty sure that's what happened, but not sure where I heard that. Fact checkers, anyone?

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Can't back it up, but I either read somewhere or heard on one of the Fan Podcasts that KC confirmed that the Van was still at the Colony.

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Originally Posted by Litmaster

THANK YOU!! Can we please dispense with the narrational predictive analyzing? I hope that Kc has the next four chapters all narrated by Angel, just to fuck with everybody... :nik:

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I agree. It gets silly sometimes. BUUUTTTTT..... If Tardust is setting a trap then we can tell that Burt ins't caught in it because he survives to write his account. Also, Riley probably survives said speculative trip, as Burt only mentions Datu's and Lizzy's deaths.

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Originally Posted by Tar Heel Fan

This episode reveals a little more about why Lizzie's death was necessary... What does Michael need now to get Ink and the zombies? An expert at blowing shit up... Tardust's orchestrated the destruction of the arena. He's a survivor who seems to have little loyalty to anyone else's cause, just to keeping himself alive. So, if Burt and Riley bring him in, he'll have his big role to play...
Lizzie was the only one who knew Tardust was the one who attacked her, no one else saw it or knows what the guy looked like.
If she had been alive they brought him in, no way would Saul let him take another breath...(my Tinfoil hat money is for Saul to piece it together, though, as the plan is about to go or is currently in motion...)

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I do agree with this....to a point.

Lizzy still made a note of the attempted rape in her journal, and it mentioned Tardust's involvement. If Saul did not read it (which I'm betting he did) then CJ and Kelly did.

And that WILL be a shite-storm when Saul hears about that.


IF Tardust turns sides. He is a little too much like a worm for me to trust what he says, so i don't think he will ever be a "good guy."

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Originally Posted by TacticalJHP

I do agree with this....to a point.

Lizzy still made a note of the attempted rape in her journal, and it mentioned Tardust's involvement. If Saul did not read it (which I'm betting he did) then CJ and Kelly did.

And that WILL be a shite-storm when Saul hears about that.


IF Tardust turns sides. He is a little too much like a worm for me to trust what he says, so i don't think he will ever be a "good guy."

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Did she mention Tardust's name? Or did she just mention that one Maller tried to rape her? I have no vivid recollection about what Lizzy told in her protocols ...

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

Did she mention Tardust's name? Or did she just mention that one Maller tried to rape her? I have no vivid recollection about what Lizzy told in her protocols ...

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I would assume, but am not positive, that she would recount the name of Tardust. She for sure did learn it after going through all she did with Tardust, Bricks, Scratch, and the other Mallers all those months.

I believe she did, if only for the fact he was identified as her attacker.

Like i said, i'm not positive. We'll learn for sure what direction the story progresses.

On another note: "We're Alive in SPACE!" Muldoon, Robbins, Carl, and Puck meet up with Señor Behemoth!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WoM2bHfr48

It occurs to me that the house could be a group safehouse--not necessarily just Scratch and Tardust. You never know who will need it so you make sure to keep the key available. I just assumed that it was only Scratch and Tardust left. Who knows how many are left and how tight a group it is..

Does anyone know if Tardust - or his voice - is on the tape of Angel's death?

If he was there - I think he was - but I'm not sure.

Who wants to take bets on what people's reactions will be when they figure that out (again if I'm right & he was there)

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Originally Posted by GamerGirl

Does anyone know if Tardust - or his voice - is on the tape of Angel's death?

If he was there - I think he was - but I'm not sure.

Who wants to take bets on what people's reactions will be when they figure that out (again if I'm right & he was there)

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Yes, his voice was on the tape. But, it had been destroyed 4 months ago, just before that big gap. So doubt if anyone would remember it....

One more thing: Lizzy never actually told anyone about the attempted rape on her, people just knew it happened, such as the old tower. And she did not say it was Tardust who did it, unless she wrote it down in a log, which i highly doubt she did either.

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Originally Posted by Z Sniper

On another note: "We're Alive in SPACE!" Muldoon, Robbins, Carl, and Puck meet up with Señor Behemoth!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WoM2bHfr48

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This video is crazy. And a good lecture, because we learn a lot about farting astronaut:

The fart has such physical attributes that it easily creates soundwaves in vacuum! How awesome is that?

But why is that the case? Probably NASA was thoughtful and has planned for the situation that the radio-communication might break down every now and then. That is why they have modified the digestive enzyme of the astronauts which allows them to pass special gases. Naturally the astronauts were taught in farting in morse code. In order to work properly and create soundwaves in space these gases, vulg: farts, must have such a molecular structur to leave the space suit ...

But the NASA did not consider a couple of side-effects:

1) Gases slipping the space suit still smell. And this might be offending to the noses of extraterrestrial specieses. This is perfectly well documentated in this small video.
2) Still human bodies sometimes act on their own, and gases may be released without intention. And that is actually the reason for the deep jeopardy in which the fource astronaut, aka Puck, now is ...

Best wishes!
Liam

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

2) Still human bodies sometimes act on their own, and gases may be released without intention. And that is actually the reason for the deep jeopardy in which the fource astronaut, aka Puck, now is ...

Best wishes!
Liam

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Even in space, the man cannot catch a break.

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Originally Posted by TacticalJHP

I do agree with this....to a point.
Lizzy still made a note of the attempted rape in her journal, and it mentioned Tardust's involvement. If Saul did not read it (which I'm betting he did) then CJ and Kelly did.

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

Did she mention Tardust's name? Or did she just mention that one Maller tried to rape her? I have no vivid recollection about what Lizzy told in her protocols ...

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Originally Posted by TacticalJHP

I would assume, but am not positive, that she would recount the name of Tardust. She for sure did learn it after going through all she did with Tardust, Bricks, Scratch, and the other Mallers all those months.
I believe she did, if only for the fact he was identified as her attacker.
Like i said, i'm not positive. We'll learn for sure what direction the story progresses.

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I am not entirely convinced that all of their experiences are chronicled in their journals, although I may be wrong. In Chapter 38 Part 3, Saul and Lizzy discuss CJ's romantic interest in Saul. During the same conversation, Saul reveals that he suspected that a Maller may have raped Lizzy. Lizzy is surprised to learn that Saul even knew it happened. Until this point, the only account the Tower Survivors know of Lizzy's captivity is from the voice recording that she left behind. To support the idea that not everything is written in the journals, recall Chapter 43 Part 3, when Saul finally reveals the real reason why he and Victor were sent to Dunbar instead of staying at the Colony.

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

I am not entirely convinced that all of their experiences are chronicled in their journals, although I may be wrong. In Chapter 38 Part 3, Saul and Lizzy discuss CJ's romantic interest in Saul. During the same conversation, Saul reveals that he suspected that a Maller may have raped Lizzy. Lizzy is surprised to learn that Saul even knew it happened. Until this point, the only account the Tower Survivors know of Lizzy's captivity is from the voice recording that she left behind. To support the idea that not everything is written in the journals, recall Chapter 43 Part 3, when Saul finally reveals the real reason why he and Victor were sent to Dunbar instead of staying at the Colony.

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I think the story's kinda like a full account of what's happened, so even though they might not seem to have written it down in their jouirnals it has been added later, when Kelly/whoever is typing it into the computer... Gabs are filled and such, so this is the final journal with the most important parts of the events...
I could be wrong though......

Saul found a stuff in the store where Lizzy had been almost raped that suggested that she had been. There was the mattress and her morning sickness, um, sickness. I don't remember what else off the top of my head.

There was the possibility the baby wasn't his (I remember wondering what difference that would have made).