I remember the water works episode - the growl they all heard definetly sounded like a behemoth. And now with the artwork suggesting it too, its very likely that the question of Michael's arm will finally be answered.
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I remember the water works episode - the growl they all heard definetly sounded like a behemoth. And now with the artwork suggesting it too, its very likely that the question of Michael's arm will finally be answered.
This what I find far fetched. It seems to be too much of a coincidence for two members of the main group to be immune. Now Datu is a super slow turner? Out of all the specimens Tanya has encountered she has come across just one and the best connection we can come up with is skin color? I figure there would be a lot more cases that would make this apparent.Quote:
Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper
Ok.............
So I was sitting here at work........ thinking about zombies....... and thinking about how we all know that Datu is going to be perfectly fine......
Then it hit me........
I know others have said that there may be some kind of connection between Saul and Tanya's skin tone and not being infected......
Datu also has a darker skin tone....... but............... this is the part that just hit me........
Ink Tattooed himself....... thus creating a "fake" darker skin tone and/or adding pigment to his skin tone........
We also see what appears to be an Albino Behemoth in the Artwork, which is a complete lack of pigment......
Could this have something to do with not completely turning??? or slow turning???
Datu said he was bitten by a regular, so unless he is lying (which is unlike Datu) then there was a regular one there. If it was #9 that bit Jay then wouldn't Jay become a little one? is that how it works?
Jay either ignored Datu because he could recognize that was already turning, or Jay could still see Datu as a friend; I'm leaning towards the latter.
Kc is dancing around if zombies can tell who has been bitten/infected (Randy taking Tanya but not biting her, Jay ignoring Datu) so I think there is something important to it.
Edit: I just listened to the end of Chapter 12 when, Tommy turns. He full on attacks Saul, and only runs to the stairwell to escape, not because he recognizes "friends". I say Jay could tell Datu was infected.
Uh, no! I can stop anytime I want. :hsugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by alexcadtek
Who am i kidding? My therapist listens to the show now.
For his wife's sake, I hope he's not remotely the emotional cripple Michael is. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TacticalJHP
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Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek
Also #8 went after Saul. But maybe once the remaining 4 Inklings are gone, theQuote:
Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper
Final Fivethree of them can infiltrate theCylon home worldInk's secret lair.
But the obvious question would be, what about all the other darker complexioned Los Angelinos? Millions of Latinos, Blacks, and Asian running around unchanged would be noticed. What about blood type? Grog & 7odd have brought this angle up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
I haven't had a chance to read everything on this thread but a couple things that stick out to me.
I'll start with Tanya. She cut her hair. You can do long term testing by testing your hair.
Datu "feeling" himself changing.. He also thought he was dying from shock after The waterworks incident. Can't put stock in it.
CJ knowing everything about everyone. I think she did this just in case Saul and Victor tried to say she didn't care about coming to save them from the mallers. However, getting to know people would have changed her.
Had a couple more thoughts but g2g
We know that someone people are take alive for food or experiments, eg the Arena and those being drag to the hospital. Ink doesn't want everyone to turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
I'm also wondering if Vic wasn't one of the one that when in to the haze if another person would have become a quick turner?
Melanin determines the skin colour, and keratine gives skin strength + elasticity, and is in hair and nails (if you didn't know already). That's what i found so far, can keep going thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper
Edit: keratin also waterproofs skin, if you're interested.....
Man, you're on a real hate campaign.... :yay:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
Pretty sure Tanya cut her hair because it got caught in the fence, and she didn't want people asking how she lost a clump of hair. But, about CJ, i think you're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by pmchawk
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Originally Posted by Gnex
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I agree with this..... although the question back on that would be...... with all those millions of people surely someone else had the same blood type as Saul and Tanya.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
Or is it a combination of factors??? Skin Type? Blood Type? having recently taken or been exposed to Medications of some sort?!??
Now that you mention this ... Is it only me seeing a change in CJ's behaviour when she openly speaks with Pegs about the situations or when she seems to be open-minded about Glenn's and R2Da2's windmill project as well as the Mata-Gun? to me this was strange compared with her barking and yelling orders at almost everyone in earlier episodes ...Quote:
Originally Posted by pmchawk
CJ is turning ... Not in terms of becoming a zomb, but in terms of re-exploring her human side ...
And no: She is not to be blamed for what happened to Jay, Glenn, and R2Da2. In #41-1 she told everyone that there was little risk involved, 'cause Glenn and R2Da2 were working on the windmill several times without any trouble around; so there was nothing unusual about her decision to allow them to work on and maybe finish the job with it ...
(I don't believe it. For several weeks now I actually defend CJ, although I don't like her ...)
Best wishes!
Liam
Is it just me, or do people seem to forget, that the turning causes the K18 level to raise, not that K18 causes the turning?
Yeah. Thanks for the reminder. When it gets backwards, it throws off any plausible theories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Storm
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Originally Posted by Storm
k18 levels are a BYPRODUCT of what's happening. If that was the only test Tanya found to gauge turning, than anything more obvious than that may as well be thrown out the window. (melanin, hair, etc...) as they have nothing to do with immunity or causality.
like as not, we need to determine what could cause k18 to elevate, and what could effect that thing(whatever it may be) to level off...as the case with saul/tanya(for now)
Well,mutations of K18 can be linked to a liver disease called cryptogenic cirrhosis, if thats any help.....? Which it isn't.....
Edit: considering that the zombies still need to eat and sleep like we do, maybe they can fall ill to....? I'm assuming if they had a liver disease they wouldn't survive much long....
CJ has a file on everyone....:squint:Quote:
Originally Posted by pmchawk
Does anyone remember back at CJ's old place where we first met her, can't remember the name, but it got overrun in the end - CJ was in the basement and (I speculate) that Ink was there, he whispered something, and she was left alive... It was pretty damn scary!
So I have a feeling that CJ isn't all what she seems... Theories??
Also I love this show and always trying to get more UK followers! :)
And I believe it was 'leave her' that he whispered...
You are right. Ink left her for some reason and The mallers were sure intent on finding them because of what they could be...Quote:
Originally Posted by BunnyButters
CJ has a file on the NSA.:squint:Quote:
Originally Posted by Elisa
CJ has a file on who been naughty or nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
In my imagination, I just pictured a flashback montage... Any given day, lounging around the tower and passing time. Playing cards and laughing, people getting to know one another... Datu and Tommy tinkering with stuff. Saul down in the parking garage trying to inspect the vehicles, but Lizzy is distracting him. Burt giving his weapon classes. Pegs working the garden... Riley inventorying goods from a recent scavenging mission and setting things aside for that nights dinner...Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
Zombies just a (not so) distant memory, just people being people and living an ordinary day of their life.
Man, I just bummed myself out.
A friend once told me that Joss Whedon is a masterful artist at "twisting the knife slowly" in your emotions. IMHO, KC's writing is on par with his... see where I'm hinting at?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elisa
"Not everyone is going to make it out of the story alive."
"I'm a leaf on the wind... Watch how I soar."
YABC, I'll take your tinfoil challenge and play it out. I was thinking the same thing when Jay kept walking away despite fresh meat in front of him. For some reason, most likely that Datu is "on the z spectrum," he went unnoticed. This can become a weapon that might allow our heroes to get closer than ever to their "offensive plan." Though K18 levels are the symptom, not the cause, Tanya's test could come in quite handy for putting together an elite force of slow turners. Datu, Saul, Tanya, maybe Michael, maybe another few who had concealed earlier exposures because they hadn't turned - they could do a lot of damage if they can find Ink's lair...Quote:
Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek
I don't find it far-fetched to have multiple survivors in the same group who might have a special rare immunity, at least at this stage in the story. If there's some kind of genetic immunity out there that prevents turning, it becomes a Darwinian advantage, allowing them to survive at better rates than the "normals." I'm thinking of the premise of survival in Stephen King's The StandQuote:
Originally Posted by cringebot
I wouldn't be surprised to find a few more examples like Saul and Tanya and maybe even Datu, those who have already been exposed, but hid their exposure for fear of being run off, whose "immunity" is the reason they are still alive.
I actually liked CJ in this episode. Don't get me wrong, CJ is still CJ and most days I'll rather kick her in the head, and I still don't believe she fully cares, I think she is a good emotional manipulator, but I still liked her this episode for some reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper
If Michael's immune too... Nonono, just not an option, that'd just be too much good luck, which we all know does not exist in a zpocalypse.
Then again... Could probably be quite interesting.. But nah! ... I don't know. We have about 20 named characters left in the show, and two, maybe three already seem to be. Would be a bit anti climatic to just say... Oh, and then they all turned out to not being affected by this virus at all. :D Hmm... But if Michael is too, that'd be about a fifth of the survivers... So far. I kinda like the idea about the blood type being the important factor. I should probably have listened more to my biology teacher, we just recently had about blood, and I remember him saying something about some people having a special type which just was a bit different from another one, and... Ehh... See, I remember shit from that class. Important part was, that nobody seemed to know what exactly the difference did, apparently it just was there...... I have to read about this now.
I think at this point she has already established herself in such a way that no matter what she does, her role is already set. Imagine if Scratch came walking up wanting to play nice and be friends, would she be weal comes with open arms? Or if Tardust wanted to buddy up to Lizzy and Saul? It is almost too late for anything different they do to change the opinions of them. I see CJ facing this same battle. And I don't think it has to do necessarily with her opposition or alignment with Michael or anyone else, it was her out for herself attitude that did it (at least for me)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
Haven't been able to find anything about whatever I'm remembering my teacher said... But seems like AB RH D negative is one of the more rare blood types... Hmm... Interesting. At the moment though, I'm trying to find out something that would raise the K18 level... Like none of you haven't already tried... Lol. Wouldn't it be perfect if it turned out not being important at all? :)
My don't know why this is the first time this thought has come to mind, but wouldn't the zombies need water too? We know they need to feed, and their bodies are modified versions of normal humans. We see with the ones that attacked Michael and Pegs in the boat that apparently they can starve to death. Tanya in her studies says they need the same things we need, food, oxygen etc. wouldn't water be one of them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd
Could this have been an orchestrated attack? The zeds hear the pumps go on and the windmill is spinning, and Datu said they had some water starting to come out. Maybe they were laying in wait until they thought the pump was operational, then they jump in and take out Datu and crew in an attempt to take over the water source for themselves? Are the sheds dying of dehydration?
while I tend to agree with you, I also hope we learn more in this chapter to either A: give us a different perspective on datu's condition, or B: see datu, in fact turn..i don't really want B to happen, but it seems needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooer
this is the dangerous line kc rides with this story. really I think how he handles this situation will make or break the entirety of the show (for me at least) I know that's a bold statement, but that's how I feel. he has given us a 90% logical, scientific, fact based story...I don't want to see that change in the Nth hour.
again. tar heel fan said this, and ill put it in other words, but the same idea. the strong survive. the likelihood of immunity among those left in the story would seem like it should be higher, as those who are 'weak' die/are killed off. and about the skin color thing....Quote:
Originally Posted by cringebot
if you don't like the theory, give us one of your own :) im sure most people don't know this, but in the group section we have the theory team (the hive) over the last 48 hours we have all been researching the shit out of possible angles that could cause the tayna/saul immunity and the datu slow turning. from looking at the possibility of the mitochondrial dna of Neanderthals still being present in the European based characters increasing the chances of turning where pure homo sapien blood is more immune to the idea the moldy corn dog datu ate in the arena being the reason he did not turn immediately. simple fact is we do not have enough info at this time to really come up with a clear answer. the only thing we can do is speculate...and since KC has already given us the k18 nugget, people naturally gravitate toward skin for answers...the issue with that is k18 levels are a BYPRODUCT not a cause....sigh.
I personally don't like the skin angle either...that is far to obvious. and far to..well, asinine. what I would much rather believe is ALL of our main players...the tower folk left AND vic and cj and Tanya, ALL OF THEM..are immune (is my crackpot showing? ;) )
and there ya go...great minds think alike. in this situation, id much rather believe it was bill Roberts that brought all these people together though. he really did have the best interest of our people in mind after all (ah, warms me heart)Quote:
Originally Posted by Storm
this episode of todd ranting brought to you by arrogant bastard ale
7id out
Wouldn't they just go and drink what ever water was available? I mean... They probably don't have to worry whether or not it's filled with Z-stuff...since they're already turned...Quote:
Originally Posted by Unit
didn't Michael make mention when they were reviewing the game cameras of the biters carrying tin cans and bottles of water? this could have simply been a throw away line, but I don't think so. I like your idea of a planned attack on the water pumps for the reason of getting water.but I have to wonder, what if they really don't need water to stay hydrated? what if that's one of the changes? we have speculated on the internal changes since we learned of the saul/Tanya situation...myself and red shirt both seem to wonder if kidney failure might not be one of the things happening (explains the smell at least!) but were that the case, would hydration not also be possible other ways?Quote:
Originally Posted by Unit
im really loving this 'science of zombies' talk folks, keep it up!
An interesting thought would be whether the zombs would still be susceptible to other water-borne diseases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Storm
A behemoth with dysentery wouldn't be a pretty sight.
I have a strange feeling of de ja vus ... Once I mentioned little ones farting like crazy in order to jump over the walls of the Colony ... Pictures now spring to my mind about Behemoths doin' the same ... Oh, silly me ...Quote:
Originally Posted by ZombieWildfire
Best wishes!
Liam