So it looks like they definitely wont have steak on the menu now...
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Valid and convincing points. In fact as much convincing that I won't stick to what I mentioned before that one. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unit9014
Best wishes!
Liam
Snipity-do-dah for clarity:
Last first: We are coming up on the one year anniversary in the show.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unit9014
About the fuel depot: A quick look at the Google maps satellite image of the tank farm/fuel depot shown out near the Maller's Mall looks similar to this one, the proposed NOLA Oil Terminal, which will have a capacity of 5 million barrels. A "Barrel" in oil trading is 35 gallons, meaning that this one facility has the capacity for 175 million gallons.
(Note: I'm only really comparing the newish looking silver tanks, those other ones may no longer be in use. In 2009, they may have been in use and the capacity of this one site may have been triple the NOLA facility.)
(I say this one site because a quick review of the satellite image for LA showed me that there are at least 20 more tank farms in the city. I stopped counting then. I have no idea what is in them, some of them have to be fuel.)
(Also note that I am being very generous with my "Ballparking.")
Now, the capacity of fuel trailers (of the type you would expect) ranges from 6,000 to 10,000 gallons. I believe that Tardust said they needed eight with two backups... for bombs he probably would have used the "big uns." That's only 100,000 gallons. That depot would, at capacity, have filled 17,500 fuel trucks. I doubt they depleted it.
Now, about the shelf life and stability of the fuel... my brief research has shown that the average shelf life is, as others have mentioned here, six to twelve months for both unleaded and diesel fuel. In an unexpectedly accurate use of YMMV, I have found some people reporting that diesel can store longer untreated and when treated can even last for decades!
I also learned that the degradation of diesel isn't necessarily in it's overall potency, it is water contamination, algae growth (yes, algae) sedimentation and other crud in the fuel. When you use untreated old fuel, the problem arises when the fuel/water separator and fuel filters can't keep up with the flow required to keep the engine running. If they were to use old fuel, if it is pre-treated before use, it will probably be OK.
Worth noting is that storage life greatly depends on the storage conditions... giant above ground tanks baking in the hot LA sun is hardly optimal.
TL;DR - There should be plenty of fuel in LA if they can just find it. Its shelf life will become an issue soon, but handled properly, it shouldn't be a problem.
We don't need fuel.... We have Datu!!!
The Colony is gonna be running off Wind and Water power before you know it.........
Then after that Datu is going to start working on flying cars like The Jetsons!!!
A flying car with automatic transmission and a door mounted Mata gun ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
At this point though we don't know how old the fuel is exactly, could have been sitting for a little while before the Z-Day outbreak. But the breakdown and contamination has already begun. Adding stabilizer to already contaminated fuel will not preserve it in the same way as adding stabilizers to fuel in the beginning to prolong it's life. So it is probably too late to greatly prolong the life of the fuel that is now already 1yr+ old. They can probably still use it for some time even though it is not as volatile and likely already has water contamination but they are likely to encounter issues with engines stalling and oxidization buildup gumming up the motors. They will ruin their motors in the process of using contaminated fuel. The time to find alternative power sources has passed, better get on itQuote:
Originally Posted by Red Shirt
I am shocked CJ let it get to this point. She said they have like a week. A freaking week. The person that has a castle like fortress in Dunbar... 16ish safe houses....groves of fruit trees... and she waits till they have a week left to go "Ah shit. We're screwed" Granted she said she has looked at all the other options and didn't see anything.
Guess it just proves what everyone has pointed out so far. She has known it was getting real bad, but kept it to herself hoping to find an answer.
I just don't see her sticking around when it starts to fall. She is not a "Go down with the ship" type of person from what I have seen.
I wonder, if the situation does not improve and they do lose power, if Ink and the others stage another attack on the Colony. We haven't seen an appearance from him since the last attack, or seen his reaction after Raydon burned down. Somehow I can see Michael's leadership restored, with Burt and Riley staging a glorious comeback and their story being told in flashback form.
When CJ says that she ran through several scenarios, I can't help but to wonder if she is the type that would nix an idea without a 100% certain positive outcome. We've discussed on the forum a number of times how she plans things to the most minute detail but doesn't do well when events deviate from her plans. Everything is black/white for her. No in between, no shades of gray.
I was thinking about her comment on if people left it might be easier. I am wondering if she is going to keep Datu around helping to come up with a solution to the water problem and pegs around to help with the garden and then when she feels things are set up enough to where she feels like she can maintain; then she will start pushing more people out to Dunbar and kinda leave them to fend for themselves? I'm not certain she would ever do that but I think the fact that she mentioned it means she is thinking about it and considering her options in that regard.
I think CJ weighs all options and simply works towards the best one...she's calculated and chances nothing. She works towards the best option and if she's not 100% sure that its the way to go, then she doesn't commit. The fact that no scenario to her is 100% just shows that she's a bit overwhelmed with the scope of things and has no clear direction, it's become complicated. So I think that it makes sense that we hear the conversation that we did with Pegs. Eventually I think this will help her understand that she will have to help Michael more in the pursuit of ending the zombie threat once and for all. Being backed into a corner with the loss of food, water, power, ammo, and whatever else, she will need to come to Michaels side of thinking and go on the offensive. I think that's the whole purpose of the CJ's stuff lately...to make sense of why she needs to and will realise what needs to happen because in the long run, her plan of sustenance will not work.
I don't know, I kinda think the opposite will happen. I think CJ will try and bring Michael to her side of thinking. She will try and get him to think that chasing the zombies is a waste of what little resources the colony has; and especially the brains and manpower in his crew would be better served trying to solve the problems with ammo, food and water. I doubt Michael will go for it and this will lead to a blowout between CJ and Michael and will fracture the remaining survivors. I think the arguing between Michael and CJ about the use of the gun trucks and CJ revealing her frustrations to Pegs is just giving a is a precursory view of the frustration that is building.
It'll be interesting to see if she makes any effort to stop people from leaving if they decide to leave the colony. Remember, she initially didn't want the responsibility of running the place, and the prospect of failure is getting to her.
I have been a believer of the idea that CJ often has poor execution. However, I also believe that CJ s all about CJ, so I can see her losing some people to reduce the rate at which supplies are consumed rather than thinking outside of the box to save everyone. I can easily believe that to her the plan is more important than the people.
A true leader sees threats before they become overwhelming. CJ just looks at her spreadsheets and gets depressed that the numbers do not work.
CJ! It is TEOTWAWKI, you have to implement a lot of low tech, supplemented with just a bit of high tech.
My primary target is an amphibious resupply node. The military is all about putting a whole bunch of dudes somewhere and then keeping them resupplied. Armchair generals talk about strategy and tacticts. Real generals talk about logistics.
@Rob: I'd love to see it evolve in that direction. But ...
@Unit9014 and Grognaurd: This is pretty much what I see coming or happening as well about CJ ... The current state of affairs is directed at a conflict between Michael and CJ or CJ and Michael ... And considering the headstrong character of CJ's I don't see a positive outcome of this conflict in terms of what Michael announced at the end of season #3 ...
I guess: In about 50 hours after this posting we will learn more in episode #40-3 ...
Best wishes!
Liam
Ah, my tour de force through the Walking Dead season 3 has ended. It took less than 24 consecutive hours. So, where the relevance to this thread? CJ fails miserably at communicating with people. She deeply mistrusts anyone who might has the arguments and the abilities to change the global survival game plan. For example, there is not the "inner circle" from season 1 and 2. And that is mainly due to CJ's tendency to alienate people, even applying some white lies when needed. In addition, she revealed - as scbubba added - to have poor project management skills. Nearly nobody is mad at somebody if a problem is reported, for instance while implementing an IT project. However, everyone will be quite mad at you when you decide to cover the problem up until there is virtually no time to fix that issue. Concerning the colony, a lot of people are going to die unless a "story miracle" is going to happen.
It is funny because in my opinion, there is a striking coincidence when it comes down to communication. I do not say that CJ shows some traits of the Governor for example. Nevertheless, I guess that we would find quite some "black spots" in her Dunbar Tower time, when the Dunbar policies were simply derived from CJ's policies.
Do you think she will crack up a la Governor style? I think there's an impending mental breakdown coming to CJ.
Well, the Governor certainly has a different personality but yes, if the result of her actions will lead to let's say 20 surviving colonists instead of 60+, I guess that she can live with it, because it was "her plan" which allowed so many people to survive. And besides, she can blame Michael for whatever caused the colony to fail in her opinion if she desires to. Therefor, she embodies some of the Governor's traits at last.Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyhind86
You make a good few points about CJ's personality and its similarities/ differences with the Governor. Both have had to deal with personal losses (CJ - the loss of Sean, Governor - the loss of his daughter) and physical trauma (CJ - leg, Governor - eye). Yet the way they have dealt with their situations are very different. CJ, although initially reluctant, agreed to lead the colony simply because she had no other choice at the time. The Governor is just hell bent on revenge against those he blames for his problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek
I agree that CJ will blame Michael for the colony's situation if she has to, which will drive a wedge further between them as well as the original survivors. Will they side with Michael out of loyalty, or with CJ and the colony for fear of losing their latest safe haven?
47-ish hours to go for the next episode, hopefully we get some answers :-)
First time posting on this or any forum...So bear with me!
I think one of two things is about to happen with CJ. I'll try and make it so it doesn't sound so "the coin will land heads or tails" because, well, no shit! I think that everything is about to fall apart in her face, she tries to fix every issue they are having and in turn isn't able to fix any completely. This causes her to attempt to blame everyone else, Michael for having HIS gun truck, Pegs for not getting her cows to lay eggs and Datu for not building a Flux Capacitor out of chem lights. She gets called on that and is ousted from any sort of leadership (welcome King Datu!). That or while talking privately about the issues that she was with Pegs, the person she was talking with comes up with a great idea that she dismisses with "I've already thought of that, it wouldn't work" because it wasn't her idea. Later she tries that idea, it works, and she gets called on it and is ousted from any leadership positions (welcome King Datu). Either way, she then gets back into a leadership position upon the arrival of Burt and Riley since she "saved" them from getting exiled.
Also...Am I the only one that hopes there is a little more with Tanya? I mean, slow turner or somewhat immune, can breathe at ground zero, and mad doctor extraordinaire! I was hoping that she'd secretly had worked at Raydon or some other place that might have been involved in this as medical staff. When she catches up with Saul they talk about how she left, her friends could have told him where to find her, and it was a job she couldn't turn down. The further we get the less likely I think it is.
Last part....Ink was in the van for thirty minutes rocking out to when "When worlds collide, by Powerman 5000"!
If any of this is redundant or has been disproven or is just idiotic, my apologies. I don't even know where the bathrooms are in here!
Third attempt try to post this (stupid buttons)...SMH and I'm a 29 year old male trying his best!
If anyone can build a flux capacitor from chem lights, its Datu :-)
I'm not sure if Tanya has a secret connection with Raydon - she is a vet after all, and has admitted several times that some of the research she is conducting is beyond her abilities as a medical professional. However, we haven't been given any details about her husband/Saul's father - all I know is he apparently left them. Perhaps we haven't heard his full story yet?
Btw, I like the idea of Ink rocking out to "when worlds collide" in the van :-)
Lol, as soon as I started reading the "what happened in the thiry minutes" I could just see an inked up guy rocking it out getting psyched up for a WWE type entrance! And Datu might need some duct tape to finish it up!
I get that she is a VET and says what she is doing is beyond her abilities. That being said, when has she struck out or barked up the wrong tree? Wherever she looks, she finds what she is looking for. And airsamples from a vet??? I could be way off, but maybe she was staying at a Holiday Inn Express before everything went down!
Hm, I am wondering if http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wal...f_the_Governor would be a good read to get a better unterstanding why the Governor became the man he is in the series.Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyhind86
Wow, I just read the plot summary, it looks like a really good read. Time to head over to Amazon methinks. Thanks for that link :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek
Wow, it is tough to keep up with this thread if you wait a few days to listen to the episode! Lots of great thoughts out there that are enhancing the listening (and waiting) experience!
Bringing it back to Tanya and Saul's situation, I'm wondering how Tanya came up with the"cocktail" of meds she has applied. Is it possible there is overlap between what they took and what was in Ink's tatt mix?
Tinfoil hat theory: Tanya was Bill Robert's vet, and in treating a pet of his, they had a conversation about some of the drugs he was working with at Radon labs...
Also, though Tanya was"just a Vet," might a research facility dealing with chemicals who might be doing animal testing have a vet on staff? Tanya's methodology of experimenting and documentation seems to come from experience...
You are welcome. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyhind86
Anything is possible - this season, though only a couple of chapters in, has already provided enough surprises and room for speculation to keep the forum busy. Even though she's just a vet, Tanya does seem to know quite a lot about human anatomy and physiology; and we already know she's one for keeping secrets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tar Heel Fan
26-ish hours to go :excited:
less than 16 1/2 hours ... Yeehawww!
I'm gonna be in a job interview today when the new episode gets uploaded. Luckily, I'll be able to download it via the app and listen to it on the way home :D
I wish you good luck with your interview! If the interviewer and you should get off-topic, and you happen to realize he enjoys The Walking Dead, tell him about We're Alive!Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyhind86
Best wishes!
Liam
Thanks dude! I'm hoping to sneak We're Alive into one of my answers. For instance, if they ask what I do for recreation, I'll answer "Well, there's this amazing audio drama...."
Me and the interviewer will be best buds by tonight :D
Best of luck!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyhind86
Thanks!
Oooh, good luck!Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyhind86
Thanks! I'll let everyone know how it goes when I'm done :D
Bring on 40-3!!!!! :omgomg:
Time for my now-traditional...is it time yet? How about now? ...now? Now?! *tantrum* :omgomg:
I.. Need... My... Precious... Next... Episode...
quick note:
haven't started listening to 40-3 yet, but i noticed when Victor and Tanya experience the "earthquake" the guy they are calling on the radio says:
"what was that? Hello? The radio cut out."
now this isn't really a big thing, but it's possible the radio cutting out was affected by the rumbling/earthquake. a mini EMP? What sort of natural disaster can tamper with RF waves?
in the episode of 40-2... the group is experiencing a lack of energy (low fuel for the vehicles and generators)... why don't they use solar, batteries, and inverters for god sakes?!... even in a zombie scenario, they could harvest solar panels from multiple places throughout california, get the inverters from any walmart/autozone store and get the batteries from all the now defunct cars. This would enable them to run all of their refrigerators, freezers, lights, and small electrical loads. also, they could use propane and natural gas to run gasoline generators too through a modified air intake ;)
I love the show, but this electrical engineer (assuming I survived to this point) would be running circles around Glenn and Datu :)