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with out the stock and foregrip there is no batfe involvment. with the stock and foregrip though it becomes an AOW unless you switch the barrel with an 18" in which case it becomes a full sived carbine. looking at it more though, you may not have to switch out anything since you're not actually modding the gun itself. worth looking into, but that shouldn't classify as a class 3. i'll do more research and repost.Quote:
Originally Posted by ericcartman
ok, check this out.
http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulin...ing-2011-4.pdf
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-nfa-ta...fles-sbrs.html
so, what it says is that if you switch the barrel to 16" (not 18, my bad) with the kit it is now a rifle, and you can switch it back to a straight up pistol (no carbine parts) without having to reclassify it because it started life as a pistol. in other words, you put the kit on it has to be the whole kit, you take the kit off it must be the whole kit. keep in mind that this is my interpretation. the fed is fucked up and would have no problems dragging you in front of a firing line for violation of laws layed down by one of their fascist alphabet soup agencies, so i would suggest you have someone qualified in law (like a lawyer) look over that reg and help you out. i also cannot speak for the state you live in, but unless it's new jeresy, new york, or california you should (again, consult someone) be good.
The kit I mentioned doesn't come with a replacement barrel, so installing it would indeed convert the Glock to class 3 SBR and would require ATF approval. I've never seen or heard of a 16" barrel for a Glock, but there may be one I'm not aware of.Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper239
16" is minimum for rifle barrel and 18" for shotguns.
Yes, some gun regulations are crazy and arbitrary. I really have never understood why putting a stock on a pistol is illegal, you already have more restrictions on handguns than long guns. I only recently found out that if you add a vertical foregrip to a pistol it becomes AOW and that really makes no sense to me either.
I read in the NRA magazine about that rifle-to-pistol/pistol-to-rifle conversion ruling that was made last year. Their interpretation of the ruling was it still wasn't very clear on the legality of temporary conversions. So I guess you still have to be careful. Best advice, don't get caught. My personal opinion is if someone thinks an illegal/gray area legal conversion would be useful in a SHTF situation, they should have the parts on hand. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be illegal to possess the conversion parts as long as you don't put them on. Then, if the SHTF, most laws can be thrown out the window, so do what you gotta do.
I used to own a beautiful Thompson Center Contender, which is a modular weapon system. You get a single receiver group, to which you can attach a pistol grip or a rifle stock, and either long or short barrels in different calibers. I had parts to turn it into either a .22 LR or a 45 ACP pistol, or either a .22 LR or a .223 rifle. I'm in California, and I was more than a little worried that I had something that was illegal for me to own, so I checked on it. The bottom line was that yes, it was technically illegal to have both the pistol and rifle kits, but that for practical purposes I was okay as long as I never mixed the parts (long barrel with pistol grip, short barrel with rifle stock).Quote:
Originally Posted by ericcartman
check this out. not sure where to find these 16" barrels, but they are out there. somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by ericcartman
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show....php?t=1301817
I haven't seen any sources for extended barrels for Glocks, but there is a conversion kit available for the Glock 21 line so that they can fire the same 50 caliber rounds that Burt uses for his Desert Eagle: http://www.policemag.com/Channel/Wea...onversion.aspx
Here's my EDC, I think this should suffice to get me home to my big stuff.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y95/phobiarg/edc.jpg
Glock 27 with Federal 165gr HSTs
Benchmade 710BKD2
Spyderco Native4
Leatherman Skeletool CX
4Sevens Quark AA2 Tactical
Oakley Sun Glasses
My bad habit
My enabler to my my bad habit
Cheap o wallet that is falling apart
Verizon Motorola DroidX
Car Keys, Work Keys, Apartment Keys
good stuff, i carry an Emerson roadhouse. i love that knife, and then i have an emergency kit in my trunk.
Cool. Have you should submit this to the Every Day Carry web site: http://everyday-carry.com/Quote:
Originally Posted by phobiarg
Ok troops,
look at what I just picked up..
Attachment 1816
Taurus 1911. 125 rounds, holster and 5 mags. $400.00
I couldn't pass it up!
DAMN SONN!!!! please tell me that is a .45. i have a high standard 1911 that i love oh so much and will be getting back from the gun smith tomorrow :D:excited::omgomg::nyan::hammer:Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
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Originally Posted by reaper239
.45 ACP baby! Gonna take her on a date this weekend to see how she performs. Can't wait to see how she puts lead on target.
taurus makes some pimpin revolvers but i haven't had the chance to check out their autos. you'll have to let me know how it performs. the 1911 is a classic, i love mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
We aren't allowed weapons of any kind. I have my fists.
there are some politicians stateside (who shall not be named) who are trying to take us the same direction. i have a bumper sticker on my car, "guns save lives, guns stop crime, guns are why america is free" it's very true, but for some reason, some people refuse to see the evidence.
It’s a difficult concept for me to be honest. We don’t have guns without a license, and those licensed weapons must not be carried but kept in locked gun cabinet which is periodically inspected by the Police, mainly shotguns. We are used to not having guns so we are comfortable with that, I do think that if we had been legally allowed them then we should always be legally allowed them, it isn’t the sort of situation that can be reversed.Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper239
well, correct me if i'm wrong, but at one point weren't you allowed to own firearms? i thought the complete ban of handguns didn't take place until hte dunblane shootings in 96. regardless, disarming the people is wrong and only leads to oppression. the main reason the second ammendment is enshrined in the US bill of rights is to effect regime change if the current government becomes too overbearing and oppressive. and random police searches? that's just wrong. if you really want to make a change, i'm sure there are rights advocacy groups in the UK but i can't find any myself. it's not impossible to come back, just really hard.
Firearms have not routinely been carried during my lifetime, by the public or by the Police. The laws were tightened following a number of atrocities relating to licensed firearms, many of which it is now illegal to own. I seem to remember that the firearms that were allowed prior to this were for shooting clubs and suchlike and were not allowed to be taken out of those clubs, not sure though. Either way, we have no guns and have a very low homicide rate where guns are involved, according to wiki:
"In the United Kingdom in 2009 there were 0.07 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants; for comparison, the figure for the United States was 3.0, about 40 times higher"
To be honest, it would scare the crap out of me to see certain people in the UK being legally allowed to carry firearms, with our current binge drinking culture Friday and Saturday nights would become very dangerous indeed!
i'd be careful with that wiki. check this out, and this. robert heinlin said, "an armed society is a polite society," and it holds true today. just look at US crime rates for proof: alaska, arizona, and texas, three of the most heavily armed states in the union also have some of the lowest crime rates, while states like new york, new jeresy, and california (in my best ah-nold voice) have some of the worst. do you think that the handgun ban stops criminals from carrying guns? i don't, and here in maryland, i'm not allowed to carry my gun either (currently under contention in woollard v sheridan). i'm treated like a criminal when i have done nothing wrong. that means that criminals can walk around armed (because they don't follow the law which is why they're criminals) and i must remain defenseless. how does that seem right? i'd rather have the power to defend myself against violent criminals, than have all law abiding citizens (because they are the only ones the laws affect) stripped of their rights and thrown to the wolves.
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Originally Posted by VEE
Do remember the difference between the UK and the United states is the UK is an island and there is a better chance of controlling the influx of hand guns. The United States at this time does not currently secure their borders.
Unsecured borders mean the criminal element which is most likely 40 x greater then the UK's criminal element are armed to the teeth. Frankly, I'd rather take my chances with a firearm in my home during a break in then pray the Cops get to me and mine before the armed criminal rapes and shoots us.
They will take my gun when they pry it out of my cold dead fingers (when I get a gun :) )Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper239
lol, i have five, AND GETTING MORE!!! :mad::omgomg::mad::omgomg::mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by yarri
I'm jealous..Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper239
M1 Carbine with lots of treats attached to make you jelly, mosin nagant with a scope, mossberg maverick 88 also making you jelly, highpower 9mm, 1911 .45 acp (my fav) once i get my babies back from the shop, i'll post pics.
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Originally Posted by reaper239
tease..:meh:
Nice deal. I'm working a gun show this weekend, hopefully I'll find a few deals like that. At the last show, I almost bought a PT92, but the guy wouldn't come down on his price.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
You're exactly right, that's why many of us in the US are fighting hard to keep our gun rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by VEE
From what I've heard, UK crime rates have greatly gone up since the gun bans, whereas in the US crime has gone down in gun friendly areas.
If we don't elect a new president in November, we're screwed!
Only 5?, lolQuote:
Originally Posted by reaper239
I think I've bought more than that in the last year, might buy that many this weekend if the prices are right. :)
That's actually one of the drawbacks to having a concealed carry permit, I'm spending too much money on guns. lol
[To Moderators *please don't move this to the ongoing thread about guns*]
Since there is already a thread for sharing what weapons people on the forum have/would have, I thought there should be a thread for pictures of weapons that either you own or would want for a zombie outbreak type scenario.
Posts should consist of a brief summary and the picture(s). Examples below...
Captured stolen military-grade weapons belonging the Los Zetas and Sinalo Cartel's
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/6777/granadas.jpg
Gold/Silver plated and Diamond encrusted weapons of the Sinaloa Cartel
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...e_1629003i.jpg
Horror
sorry but all things dealing with weapons go into the weapons thread. We already have pictures of what we own or would like to own...fantasy about having, military weapons..blah, blah, blah.
Sorry, but i'm moving with the others.
Crowbar Out.
i will have you know that i am still young, and only get paid a moderate amount. something like 15 dollars an hour, and i live in one of the highest cost of living states in the US. it's hard out there for a pimpQuote:
Originally Posted by ericcartman
Alright, I'll cut you some slack. Just keep pimpin' so you can add to the collection.Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper239
I didn't get to add to anything to my collection this weekend, but I did find a new item for my wishlist: https://www.masterpiecearms.com/prod...PA57sst&cat=23
That picture just gave me a boner. That even looks like a gold plated suppressor, that's super pimp.Quote:
Originally Posted by HorrorHiro
I believe I am allowed to carry one of these bad boys
Attachment 1852
yeah, mine's better.Quote:
Originally Posted by VEE
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6068/6...c20e926d_b.jpg
I dig how every time a Dem is running or elected the "They're gonna take your guns" stuff starts up. Ain't happened yet and isn't going to happen. My rights as a black man voting will go before that ever happens. Congress passes laws, the president doesn't. Anyway..
I'll buy as many weapons as I need to protect my family (which will be a Saiga12, AR15 and a .380 for the wife.. and that's it).
Yarri,
how come you haven't purchased a weapon yet? Bersa makes some pretty inexpensive .380's. The Beretta Nano will run you about 450. Just make up your mind that you're gonna do it and set aside the money each check. I know how hard it is to get going, but you need to have some form of a firearm.
That knucklehead walking down Hollywood blvd a couple months ago made up my mind to get serious about buying one. Random crap like that is what we're dealing with these days instead of gov trying to take away our .50 cal duck hunting guns.
It is, my post was heavily laden with irony though.Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper239
what incident was this?Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
i disagree on one point: the fed is trying to disarm the people, but it's not dems or reps, it's "progressives" which can be found in both parties. the problem is not one huge sweeping gun ban, it's little things. peice by peice they chip away at our freedoms until they can remove them wholesale from the constitution. like the assault weapons ban. anything can be used to assault someone, and therefore that would make it an assault weapon right? so the title is ambiguous, so let's go to content: it banned semi-automatic rifles. not assault rifles, which is a clissification of rifle defined by the inclusion of a select fire feature, but semi-automatic rifles like the AR-15, and it banned things based on aesthetics, not function. thank goodness that silly piece of legislation was not renewed, but that's how it starts. look at britain, they didn't start with the wholesale ban of firearms, they started with little restrictions here and there until not even the police are allowed to carry guns. sorry for the rant, i just see the threat to our freedoms as very real.
are you actually allowed to carry a swiss army knife?Quote:
Originally Posted by VEE
It is what is. For some reason i just assumed that this thread would degrade into an argument along the lines of "AK-47 Vs. M-16" sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
Yes. But that's about it really, and a leatherman maybe, I think we're allowed air rifles as well, we were when I was a kid but the laws may have changed. Definitely allowed a SAK though.Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper239
That made me laugh so hard!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
both are great, just in different ways. the AK47 is like the workhorse of war, no matter what you do to it, it will keep on shooting. the AR platform is like a precision instrument, it requires love and care, but it is great at what it does. also, it's like a barbie doll for men. based on how the rounds are designed, i would go with the AR platform, but that's just a personal thing. plus i love accessories.Quote:
Originally Posted by HorrorHiro