No. I refuse. People can have crazy theories and I feel like I should contribute to the Tin Hat Society every once and a while ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
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No. I refuse. People can have crazy theories and I feel like I should contribute to the Tin Hat Society every once and a while ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
Haha...I gathered as much...I just wanted to see what kind of response my reply would get.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
If you'd like the "Nikvoodoo Thinks You're Wrong and Is About To Clamp Down On Your Jugular Using Logic and Multi-Syllabic Words" treatment, that can be arranged :p ;). I betcha I can fake it to the point that I'll convince someone I believe it ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GChild78
oh god please no...
I bet you could! But why would you want to mess with our already confused minds?Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Trollish delight? Devil's advocate? Conversation starter? Or just plain evil?Quote:
Originally Posted by GChild78
Usually a lurker...but...um...*hides*Quote:
Originally Posted by j0be
Is all of the above an option? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by j0be
Oh come out. No harm will come to you. I promise. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by GChild78
I'm way late to the party on this one, but it's a good thing I took the time to read through this thread, otherwise I really would have been barking up the wrong tree with the last episode.
It looks like my suspicion that KC might take us into some darker, Cormac McCarthy/Max Brooks territory after Episode 2 came true. I whinced when Tardust started leading Lizzie into the furniture store by himself as it was pretty obvious what was coming. I was relieved when oddly enough, Scratch came and saved her.
On that note, though she hid it completely behind her tough exterior, I'm glad we got to see a bit of humanity in Scratch. Though she acted like she didn't care at all, I think it was pretty evident, being a woman, she still didn't want to permit another woman getting raped. She put the feigned apathy aside when Tardust mentioned she said she didn't care. No doubt, tough as she is, being one of the few women stuck trying to survive with a bunch of male convicts she's had her share of being eyed up as "prey." Maybe that was Paco's mistake. Jenna McCombie does such a damn good job voicing the character too, to a point I'm always excited and disturbed when Scratch makes an appearance.
I hope it's not true, and other people have seemed to pick up on this, but for some reason I feel like there's foreshadowing Burt might not make it to the other side of whatever is coming. That would suck though as I feel like he brings something to the show none of the other characters do.
I really liked this episode.
I get the feeling that Burt will be safe in the next "war". Seems like him and Michael would be good long distance riflemen and i don't think that anyone from the tower is going to go for an all out frontal assault. Once they figure out where Lizzy is I think they will have calmed Saul down enough so he doesn't get killed either. When Burt called Angel and had him bring down everything he was acting out of pure emotion. Now he's calmed down a bit.
I still think someone has to die soon, I'm just so clueless as to who at this point.
I think what may happen is that Lizzy was somehow infected by Saul (if he is a carrier) hence the vomiting and then she turns while under captivity of the Mallers.
After a hard fought battle with the Mallers the tower folk come across a freshly infected Lizzy and Saul is the one to do what has to be done. Sad face.
Maybe even Scratch and Bricks join the Tower, they are great characters.
If you look at the timeline the We're Alive story has been going on for over two months (maybe over three). Saul and Lizzy's relationship could have been going on for a few weeks before he got shot. I'm also pretty sure that they were sharing a bed before he got shot too. As they discussed in the We're Not Dead podcast i really think she's pregnant but the things that sucks we might have to wait till next season to find out
randomness about the episode I keep kicking around.
What if Lizzy's sickness is due to the fact that she and Saul had relations after Saul was exposed to the jumper's blood. Maybe Saul isnt affected by it but he passed something on to Lizzy ???
Can't remember to whom to give the credit to from episode 11 of WND but what if the Skittles charachter is the one that has the MPD and that is why he seems to pop in and out of the charachters from the towers lives ? Again to whomever, man the multiple personality thing has got me rethinking a few of the charachters in the tower as well as the Mallers(dont know that their new name will be just yet).
The story started on May 8th, 2009. It is currently mid to late August in the podcast.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingisback
I'm hoping that this next fight brings up some more about who Randy is from when Micheal was out on anesthesia. Maybe he starts talking in his sleep again with the pressures of war upon him....
The more I listen to this chapter the more questions I have. Well played KC...well played
An ominous date, in more ways than one.Quote:
Originally Posted by shananala8
I don't think things are going to go well for Burt. If the Mallers did return to Eastern Bay they will now be living in an extemely well fortified home. Even with all their arsenal I dont' think Michael and the gang stand a chance at breaking in to a prison safely and rescuing Lizzie. No, I feel that a trade is going to take place; Burt for Lizzie. Remember how readily he was to sacrifice himself during the asault on the Tower; he said that if he gets killed, atleast they'll just be losing one old man.
But the Mallers don't want Burt. they want Pegs.
That was a difficult chapter to hear. Man, that was uncomfortable. Good, good, job.
Now that could be one reason why they're able to muck about the area so easily! It could also be why there are so many deserters beat feet and why it's so important to round them up. I don't see giving up a body know and then outside of Durai's personality. If it's a good "Business" decision, then its sound.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
The flip side: The only thing is they'd have to give up a good number of bodies to keep the "Wolves" at bay. Dwindling manpower IS one thing I see that would keep Durai from bargaining.
Nik,
I loved the "Free floating" idea there. Way to churn up the mud. Now just join in with my "Arena" craziness Mon Ami!
True, but I think in Scratch's eyes, Burt is higher on her the shit list than Lizzie is. Scratch may WANT to trade Lizzie for Peggs, but could end up settling on Burt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkum
Scratch doesn't hit me as the type to settle, more like she'll take both and keep Lizzie
True. She'll definitely try and get the better end of the bargain. Wouldn't be a crazy twist if Durai is still alive and running the show. Then when Scatch is shouting at Michael and crew about making a trade, Durai gets fed up with her and just popps one in the back of her head, turns to Michael and says, "Take the blonde girl back. We'll take Burt and some of those guns."Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkum
Where do you suppose Scratch is taking Pippin? I thought maybe, just maybe, she might be dropping Pippin off near the Tower in an attempt to infiltrate it as a new mole. Either that or she's simply taking Pippin to replace some guard they haven't heard from in a while, probably assumed dead. Still, the way Scratch and Tardust (Tard) were so ambiguous in thier speach has my suspicions raised. Grrr!!! The 25th is so far away!
I feel like the Tower is done taking people in. Been burned by the one with the markings and the whole Mallers thing, i think they would be a bit skeptical of everyone at this point. Though the leaders are all away right now so it would be an optimum time to try something.
I'm not exactly sure how Burt is even remotely close to a bargaining chip. Why would the Mallers care about Burt? Sure he's a good shot, but it's not like a trade in sports where you change teams and automatically you play to win for your new team. To me, Burt makes no sense to get exchanged for. Pegs on the other hand, makes perfect sense because Scratch wants her for a very specific reason. If Durai is still around, he might ruin Scratch's revenge by not wanting to make the exchange.
I think Burt pisses a lot of people off. If bargaining begins, I'm sure he can sell himself with his charming personality. He'll spit words at Scratch like Scarface and Ugly Bitch. Plus doesn't Scratch have one of his pistols? I agree that Pegs is really what scratch wants, but Burt might be a reasonable substitute. I can also agree that Durai would ruin Scratch's plans at revenge. He'd say, "Screw your plan to trade Lizzie for Pegs just for revenge. Michael, we want to form an alliance." Michael replies, "Okay, kill Scratch and maybe..." *gunshot* Scratch falls dead. Okay all that in itallics was just bull, but it's still fun to picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
I don't know. I just have this bad feeling about Burt's fate. He's feeling guilty about failng as a leader, failing to keep Lizzie safe...and now they believe she was raped. Burt needs a huge act of redemption and sacrificing himself would be the ultimate redemption.
It might not even be about getting someone on your team. Remember, the Mallers know that Burt is an excellent shot and an all-around pain in their ass, so they might want to trade Lizzy, who they probably consider worthless, for Burt just to make sure that Burt's not there to mess up their plans.
HA! I love this idea. She could be a slow turner. That could be plausible if Saul is immune but kisses it up with Lizzy. Pass the infection and turn the woman you love. That would be a tragic moment of realization.Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceBonsai
I would like to know more about Durai. We learned about the Colony and their leadership but I don't recall learning much about Durai and the Mallers. We are assuming they are all ex-cons but who knows if the Mallers are even aware of the Colony.
On a side note I thought it was funny when "Victor" got on stage last night.
Interesting that the actor for Durai wasnt there huh? I'm not saying he's dead, i think the opposite, but it certainly adds to the mystery
A lot can happen in a year. The actor who played Durai hasn't been needed for recording since March of 2010. Lots of things can come about in that time (out of town performing, moved away from the city, etc etc). Again, not saying he's dead, but I bet we learn more about Durai's fate in Chapter 21
I figured her vomiting was because some pig tried to rape her. Does it really take more than that to induce vomiting?Quote:
Originally Posted by VeritableHero
At the risk of sounding horrible, I'm glad the scum tried to rape her- for the sake of realism. I was so afraid these 'mallers' would lapse into corny cartoon-henchmen behavior (old-style bank robbers in striped shirts and black masks) and just tie her up and take her to their boss unblemished...
WRONG, that's NOT what would hapen and you know it. I'm so glad this show stayed true to its gritty realism (without lapsing into exploitation). I could barely listen to the scene because rape is much more offensive to me than simply killing someone, but that's how violent scum behave in the real world. So far this show has had death, love, treachery, loyalty, sickness, bravery, friendship, tyranny, loss, and a whole host of other human elements- I'm glad the writers didn't shy away from this one particularly shameful corner of human brutality.
I had a hunch that when one of the Mallers said "We're Here" and Lizzie was like "No..." I thought about them pulling up to The Colony and I know Lizzie has NO IDEA what it is...she could just be in total shock of the damage of the place. I dunno. Its just a hunch.
In chapter 20 3 of 3. Scratch catches TarDust in the act. In the episode she tells him something like if he messes up again she "feed his A$$ to" who?
I can make out what she says. I almost sounds like she says she'd "feed his A$$ to the sisters".
Can anyone help me with this dialogue?
Does anyone else think Saul saying he would rather his girlfriend be dead than raped was kind of fucked up?
Furthermore, not just dead, but eaten alive by zombies. He would rather his girlfriend get eaten alive by zombies than raped.
Yea, it is the sisters. I believe it is in reference to 'The Shawshank redemption'.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImPaul
I think the difference is, one leaves her dead, the other leaves her with memories and nightmares for the rest of her life. I would agree with him that in this case it would be better if she'd died rather than live having been raped by who knows how many men, for how long, and so on. Sure, being eaten is a horrible way to go, but afterwards you are gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by tillvictory
Rape and gang rape are both things that actually happen in the real world every day and many, many, many people survive it and go on to have healthy, happy, productive lives.