Chapter 20 Part 1 Discussion

Ok I'm going on a long limb and probably way off base but I don't think stephen is the mole I still think Kalani is, But what if Stephen has a thing for Lizzy and just prior to her shift she was knocking boots with Saul and Stephen found out without them knowing. Got pissed and spiked her beverage causing her to fall asleep and thereby setting up the scenario to be booted. I mean he was overly pissed off about the situation. Plus it could fit in with the double meaning as in, she gets pregnant???

Great episode. I'll get my two cents in before there's too many posts for me to read. (I feel bad for you, KC! Flooded by your own fame).

It occurs to me that Lizzy is the best person for Scratch to capture, because Lizzy is aware more than anybody of Pegs' remorse. When Angel dropped off Latch's body, Scratch said, "This doesn't change anything" - but I think it does. The return of Latch's body will have worked as somewhat of an olive branch, and if Scratch talks to Lizzy at all about it, I bet it will go well for the Tower. Ra1th, maybe you'll even get your teamup.

The talk from the Mallers about deserters/stragglers is just weird. It sounds as if they were in league with Gatekeeper, perhaps working as hired guns to seek out the folks who escaped. Mallers would have known who belonged to them and who could have escaped, but they needed to check Lizzy's ID to find out who she is. That might be significant.

One person wondered whether the Mallers would even question somebody having a gun, but don't forget how short they are on munitions in the first place. When we first met Latch and Scratch, they were armed but had no ammo.

I can't wait to get some of these questions answered!

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Originally Posted by Hollomandious

Beautiful episode. But dammit, i was hoping to find out the Saul & Tanya connection. Hopefully next week.

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You know, the first time I read that I thought--Nah, what were the odds? But I'm going through the podcasts again and noticed his Mom lived in Anaheim which is kinda near. At least, they could be related somehow or she knew his Mom.

I think there was a shift in power with the mallers and Scratch is now heading them up, as far as the question of the gun. That's more of a the mallers have already scoured everywhere and know a powerful gun such as that isn't just lying around. I don't think there is any correlation right now with the mallers and the colony, besides contact would have to be physical as the colony couldn't even reach the tower. So radio contact would be impossible with the mallers by the colony??

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Originally Posted by MrScott101

Ok I'm going on a long limb and probably way off base but I don't think stephen is the mole I still think Kalani is, But what if Stephen has a thing for Lizzy and just prior to her shift she was knocking boots with Saul and Stephen found out without them knowing. Got pissed and spiked her beverage causing her to fall asleep and thereby setting up the scenario to be booted. I mean he was overly pissed off about the situation. Plus it could fit in with the double meaning as in, she gets pregnant???

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Another double meaning idea.

Michael is back at the tower and in charge. He may end up going back to his old ways and putting Peggs at a distance. In a way saying, "Look... about the beach house thing... ya know... i wasn't in charge anymore, and now that i am, i'm kinda busy and..." and so on.

Eh? shovel:) *clang*

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Originally Posted by Eviebae

You know, the first time I read that I thought--Nah, what were the odds? But I'm going through the podcasts again and noticed his Mom lived in Anaheim which is kinda near. At least, they could be related somehow or she knew his Mom.

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I agree. There are many levels to who Tanya could be to Saul, or how does she know Saul. Mom's Friend? Maybe an Aunt or something? But, i'm rootin for the Mom thang.

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Originally Posted by MrScott101

I think there was a shift in power with the mallers and Scratch is now heading them up, as far as the question of the gun. That's more of a the mallers have already scoured everywhere and know a powerful gun such as that isn't just lying around. I don't think there is any correlation right now with the mallers and the colony, besides contact would have to be physical as the colony couldn't even reach the tower. So radio contact would be impossible with the mallers by the colony??

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Maybe the lesser criminals are used in a labor sense at Maller-HQ. And there was a big break out. And since they were just a bunch of escapees, that would explain why they were curious as to her having a gun on her.

Also, Scratch could be in charge for all we know now. Maybe Durai bit it in the battle, or got attacked on the way home. Eh?

I keep reading things about Gatekeeper and the Colony. I think the audience is confused. Is it possibly the same voice actor playing both parts, and w/ the little bit we've heard of him in this second role, he's sounding similar. [KC?] And thus people are thinking it's a link that doesn't exist?

This episode is one of the best reasons that this show reminds me of LOST(and that's a good thing). Almost everyone had their theories and were almost sure of what was going to come, but Kc always throws us a super curve ball of epic proportions we were never expecting.

Keep up the good work Kc

The reason they questioned Lizzy about the gun thing is that she was carrying an M16. An army rifle, not just a pistol or a shotgun or some hunting rifle. You don't find an M16 in a regular gun store or under the counter of a 7/11 and LIzzie doesn't look like a soldier to these Mallers. These guys had also already raided the reserve center of guns. I think they were surprised she had an assault rifle as opposed to just a firearm. If it was just a .22 or a revolver or something, they wouldn't have batted an eye (Although still take it, a gun is a gun after all)

I feel the same way...and it really makes no sense for Stephen/Steven to be the rat cause, let's face it, who would care if he was? It's not like we really know who he is, you know? How many of you cared that Paul died? I didn't. This Stephen guy just realized that they were on a sinking ship and Burt wasn't cut out to lead, and like gatekeeper, wants complete power. If you listen carefully, he says, "I'd have no problem enforcing the rules...". I think he made such a big scene to get most people on his side and overthrow Burt. I really hope Micheal shovel slaps the taste out of his mouth!!!

So, Im going to be honest here, I have not read all these posts, so if i am reiterating what someone else has said, my bad. Anyway, what if the Mole feels bad now, and they are on good terms with scratch -- unlikely, but maybe the mole has leverage. this means that it may not be as hard to get lizzy back as we think. This does have a pretty good chance of being wrong though as two captors of lizzy sounded as though scratch would be very pleased to have someone from the tower.

Maybe I'm just a newb here on the forums, but what's this talking about the mole? Wasn't it Bill? He stole and hid the guns and ammo and then called on the mallers. Isn't that it?
It is actually one of the less convincing parts of the series for me ("hey there, you're having a party, I'm your buddy! Wait, I betrayed you! Wait, I changed my mind, I will fight with you to save the tower! But still I won't tell you where the guns and ammo are, otherwise I might be too successful in saving the tower!" and then he simply dies and we'll never know) so if it actually turns out I misunderstood that, I'm glad. Our brains are simply not wired for radio drama anymore, and a lot of misunderstanding happens all the time (like with the fake-gatekeeper in this last episode).