Michael writes in the very first episode that the zombie apocalypse started 7 years ago... I don't know if that means it took that long to end or if it's still going on. Either way, he's still writing...
Saul dies too. "Saul was a good soldier."
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I think Tardust was sincere feel sorry about Angel. I just think how he try to explain was the wrong way. If he had your friend instead of Angel and explain the condition he was in then Riley may have taken it a little better. Is she probably seen it on the video she would have known Tardust wasn't kidding about his sincerity.
Ahh, thanks :) Yeah, can't be much there to talk about... Shapes of shadows/flames maybe, but well.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooer
Can we just, like pretend that it will not happen until it happens, please?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombie-Bane
He's my favorite character. My favorite characters always seem to die, so yes, he might probably die. But, still, I mean, seven years later and there's still no government and therefore (maybe?) no army, so of course he WAS a good soldier when it started, but now he's just a good father?
Please?!
I think he's refering to him joining the military, but you're right, it kinda does sound like it's Z-day he's talking about... I've had the same thought but decided to throw out the idea... Still interesting to think about though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombie-Bane
Ok, if Ink's symbols were tattooed to protect and control the zombies. Then he had to know there was going to be a zombie plague coming since he tattooed himself before it all began. That still points to him starting the plague somehow. We know he created the little ones and the big ones, but not the plague necessarily. right? Or did I miss something in the past episodes?
is CJ now using her prosthetic?
she sounds a lot more mobile in 45-2.
I don't think that if she does, she does so regularly, but she and Pegs were talking about it. Her prosthetic is a little too short, or doesn't sit right, and it hurts her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Footbutt
Pretty sure it says that he started freshmen in 2001, and 8 years later he is in his 4th year, not that the apocalypse started 7 years ago......Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombie-Bane
edit: after listening to the first episode, he describes "I was in my fourth year in college. I started my freshmen year in 2001, almost 8 years ago. I remember the date it started: May 8th, 2009." Meaning that it took him 8 years to get into his 4th year of college, where the apocalypse then began.
Most here think he had some knowledge of it. The Tattoos point to it. As well as lack of fear, and wanting, of being bite. At this point it can safely say that he knew of it. Point to the Zombies in the first episode that were scared and burned as well. Scars. Not Cuts. That meant there was a large group of them that had been hurt and heal already. We know they don't have super healing powers due to Angel and Riley seeing one with a broken ankle (Although Ink's Hands looked ok even after we know Burt shot him). That meant a large group covered in Scar was infected and ran in a pack? Just some random large group of scarred people were turned at random? Also the RPG in Burts Shop that had a buyer near Z-Day. Someone knew something. I think most ppl hear belive that Ink had some prior knowledge. No way he just happened to find Symbols that control Zombies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombie-Bane
That being said... I don't think he started Z-Day. Mainly due to it being World Wide. This late in the game I don't think KC is going to introduce another major party with 3 chapters left. To go "And then there were the secret Cabal of World Leaders..." would just be bad storytelling and handwaving. To get a world wide secret release of Z-Gas that was planned would take countless millions of Dollars. That meant that a "Secret Cabal of World Leaders" would have been needed for that to happen. The Reort that Kimmet had made it sound like it happened World Wide pretty close together. Not a "It started here and Spread" The whole USA was gone within a couple days and the Military Bases around a week. Kimmet even stated "Outbreaks started in XYZ" and named some places. Never said spread. KC chooses his words very carefully.
The next "clue" to Ink didn't start it is based on what Characters has said. When they saw the tape they said "Well he couldn't have started it". Not once have the stated they thought he did. Michael said he was behind the attacks, but no one said "I wonder is that Tattoo'd guy started this thing" ever, but when they saw the tape they said "Couldn't have been him". I think that was a clue from KC. Just tooodd of a comment on a subject they never even talked about before in the show.
you know, you gotta wonder what's the rest of the world look like?
Ink is unique to LA, and there MAY be more like him, but i have to believe there's safe pockets all around the globe... i can't wait to write some FanFictions about all this! haha
Does it really have to be as complicated as this? Let's do a much simpler approach: Why is Scratch not already inside the colony? From what we know- all protocols are inactive. If she likes, she, Hammer and String can attack from three disjunct positions. Shock and awe. Kill or at least wound a bunch of people and gain the initiative. Take at least Puck and Pete as hostages, whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
Using Tardust as bait is charming, however, Scratch could not take into account that Michael, Burt, Riley or whoever would find him would not be slightly too trigger-happy.
Dear thisonegirl, I would like to support you on this. Would the creator of We're Alive, Mr Wayland, have used him as an multiple bullet catcher in the past, if Saul was not to survive all these shenanigans? Saul will survive.Quote:
Originally Posted by thisonegirl
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/decline.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Footbutt
Apologies for any redundancy as I'm just catching up with all of the forum activity here and I did try to read all 18 pages of comments before posting.
One thing that always irks me a little bit is our tendency to believe something just because the characters believe it. I do agree that the scene at the colony sounded like a laundry list of theories being debunked HOWEVER the characters have no more knowledge of what's going on than we do. I'd dare to say they have less knowledge of what's going on than we do in some cases. Keep those :tinfoil: handy, people. This ride isn't over yet!
On the topic of zombie reproduction, I know we've talked about this before *cough-cough* and I find it really interesting to see how Kc is developing this part of the story line. I am curious to people's opinions on what would happen if the mothers found at the arena were human and the drugs were being injected into the fetus to turn the fetus into a zombie. Does this sound probable? Is it possible? Could a human mother support a zombie baby without being turned? Is the flow of nutrients, cells, etc. always mother --> fetus or can it go both ways?
One thing that makes me doubt the ability of a human mother to carry a zombie baby is the rejection factor. Women will miscarry if the fetus is not compatible - for example: if a mother has Rh negative blood they may miscarry if the fetus has Rh positive blood. Basically your body acts as if you have an allergy and tries to rid you of the foreign substance. Unless Ink was suppressing the mother's rejection of a foreign fetus with something like Rh immunoglobulin (which is required for mothers who are Rh negative), it's unlikely the zombie mommies were human.
I can't recall who mentioned it (sorry!) but if the inkling mothers were zombies, it could explain the lack of female zombies we've seen. I like that theory! Maybe there's a big breeding ground for inklings somewhere. While this method does have the problem of the mother dying in childbirth, perhaps it is rectified with the second generation of pure zombies. Perhaps they can reproduce without the nasty side effects of death.
OK, I simply thought that the 'oops' moment was a written into the story to give Michal a reason to get his laptop so they can look at large pictures on a bigger screen so Peg's can see the zombies and CJ can recognize Skittles. Interesting point that you brought up about Micheal flipping through the pictures fast to prevent anything 'weird' happening to Tanya.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullethead
Didn't Michael say Tanya had seen the pictures already, though? I may be forgetting but this did seem like an innocent exchange to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
It was implied. Michael told Victor that Tanya and looked over everything multiple times. It was implied that the pics where in there. She said in front of Michael this episode she had and Michael didn't correct her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jannit
Yeah I took it as a device to get them looking at larger pictures all together. I think if she wanted to purposely delete a photo she wouldn't have said anything. I don't think saying oops and playing dumb is her style.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
No, I went back to check and it was directly stated a few times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Verse
24:58
Tanya: Let me see the camera. I want to see the tunnel entrance again.
Michael: Yeah, go ahead
Tanya: Oh Shit! I think I deleted one!
Michael: WHAT?
Tanya: You backed it up already, right?!
Michael: No! I…
Tanya: Uh, oh wait! It’s still here.
26:33
Tanya: You’re going too fast!
Michael: You’ve seen these before.
While the idea is interesting, I don't think Michale would've wanted Tanya looking through the pictures at all if he was worried about her reacting to the symbols in the same way Datu did.
Michael saying "Saul was a good soldier" does not mean that Saul is 100% doomed to die.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombie-Bane
It could also mean that he never truly recovers from Lizzy's death and can't bring himself fight anymore.....
It could also mean that he now has a son and can't risk being out there in that mess knowing he has look after Nicholas.....
Or it could just mean that after the Apocalypse Michael goes back to the only thing he truly knows(Military) and Saul doesn't want that lifestyle anymore.....
There are probably many more ways that phrase can be taken..... But for the record, I don't think Saul makes it either.....
I see Saul being shot by Scratch...... and then CJ wigs out and goes Crazy...... Killing Scratch but getting fatally wounded in the process......
Thus leaving Victor and Kelly to raise baby Nicholas....
Crap, I'm slow to the draw.
:excited:SKITTLES!!!!!!:excited:
About time....Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
Victor did a narration this episode so I think there is hope for him.. There is a possibility we will not hear from Scratch again until either she confronts one of the main characters or she is captured. She has no Journal.. To date most of her stuff could be later told to them by Tardust.. But that leaves the scenes with her and just her brother so I still think by the end she is tell her side of the story too right along with Michael and those who live at the end..
I still think those who narrate still live. The Kalani thing was unique. Its like when some one in a movie reads a dead persons letter.. They start off in the person readings voice and then its changed to the dead person. That is how the Kalani episode went down if I recall correctly. I will have to go re-listen to that.
I have a hard time believing the entire population is gone and there is no form of government anywhere.. We know they have all sorts of hidden bunkers an other secure locations they could go to.. I will be thoroughly shocked if all the main Characters die at the end.
What are the chances that Scratch would use the same trick again and again and again? Then again, what are the chances of the Survivors falling for it again? Kalani infiltrated Dunbar then the Tower, and Puck was planted into the Tower. I'm inclined to think that Tardust really has severed ties with Scratch, but I'm just gonna wait to see how this plays out.
Perhaps he joins the Survivors, or perhaps he's only kept around as a tool and information source. I'm almost certain that Saul will learn who he is. If he learns of it sooner than later, then expect complications to foul everything up. He already hates his mom (almost), imagine if she pairs up with Tardust to search for a solution to the Ground Zero gas. Saul could become an accidental protagonist. His passion could put everything in jeopardy.
That is a very good theory. Snatch and grab one remaining colonist, and get the intel that pegs is now the one remaining chopper pilot.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
The chopper comes back. She knows where it is coming then and going.
Scratch has her prey. If Tardust's defection was intentional or not, does not matter. The diversion is all that mattered.
Ever seen "Cape Fear?"Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZXP9FccCn0
Well, to be fair, that was a Jeep Cherokee...but the same idea.
Not sure if i want to TASTE him, but talk to him.... sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullethead
I have a wacky thought for you, lemme put this back on for a bit... :tinfoil: ah, there we go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin1274
Could be why he cracked in the first place. Could be we've been looking at the "slow turner" issue wrong all along.
They aren't slow turners, or they are bit/made as slow turners intentionally... to be zombie sleepers and seeing a certain symbol can accelerate the change for a period. Ink showed up at Dunbar and showed a flash card with the sign for "Obey" to the security camera.
Then again, CJ would surely have mentioned that during the Dunbar Info dump. Jus' spitballin' here.
Just my $0.02, I think what Michael is talking about in the past tense is the 'Good Soldier,' not Saul himself. Meaning that before SHTF, he was a good soldier in the unit... However, the opening narration reminded me of the strong likelihood that this entire tale is a retrospective from Michael's point of view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombie-Bane
To who? I'm thinking he's just rereading the journals and adding some notes right before he seals it all in a jar to bury it... for it to subsequently and inadvertently become the religious book for a future civilization.
:tinfoil: forgot how itchy these things were.
On the topic of zombie reproduction, I know we've talked about this before *cough-cough* and I find it really interesting to see how Kc is developing this part of the story line. I am curious to people's opinions on what would happen if the mothers found at the arena were human and the drugs were being injected into the fetus to turn the fetus into a zombie. Does this sound probable? Is it possible? Could a human mother support a zombie baby without being turned? Is the flow of nutrients, cells, etc. always mother --> fetus or can it go both ways?
One thing that makes me doubt the ability of a human mother to carry a zombie baby is the rejection factor. Women will miscarry if the fetus is not compatible - for example: if a mother has Rh negative blood they may miscarry if the fetus has Rh positive blood. Basically your body acts as if you have an allergy and tries to rid you of the foreign substance. Unless Ink was suppressing the mother's rejection of a foreign fetus with something like Rh immunoglobulin (which is required for mothers who are Rh negative), it's unlikely the zombie mommies were human.
I can't recall who mentioned it (sorry!) but if the inkling mothers were zombies, it could explain the lack of female zombies we've seen. I like that theory! Maybe there's a big breeding ground for inklings somewhere. While this method does have the problem of the mother dying in childbirth, perhaps it is rectified with the second generation of pure zombies. Perhaps they can reproduce without the nasty side effects of death.[/QUOTE]
Pregnancy is an immunocompromised state for a mother, if this were not so the fetus would be attacked by the mum's immune system and not survive. Baby is half mum and half dad so has own unique immune system. Fetal cells can be harvested from maternal blood so they do cross the placenta, however we don't understand if they have any effects on mum. The developing embryo is very sensitive to it's environment, growing from a ball of cells into a perfectly formed human within the first 3 months of pregnancy. In the 60's Thalidomide was used to combat "morning sickness" and sadly many babies were born with absent or very abnormal limbs. One can also manipulate the gender of the fetus by exposing it to strong sex steroids at crucial times.
Ink will know all this fairly old knowledge and is thus using such crude methods to refine his "children" to perfection by repeated new experiments. On the info given by Kc regarding Radon labs and Ink's qualifications, I don't think he was into genetics in a big way, however you never know! Messing with DNA can create all kinds of chimeras which usually do not survive very long.
In this episode hints are given to the young Inklings imprinting themselves on him like chicks who will follow the first moving object they see after hatching, assume it is mum. Still mulling over zombie communication!
This is something I can comment on, sort of. This isn't a sexist or agist thing, but I feel that in the initial outbreak there would be more men that survive long enough to turn vs being killed in the attack. It's the same with children... it's a morbid thought, but "if you're carrying your child... you're also slower."Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombiekiller100
Of course there are exceptions to the rule. There were a lot of families that were able to escape to Boulder. Then again, we saw what happened there.
Moral of the story... don't live in my stories...
MUHAHA.....
*What a weird post...
Blaire reads that post and pulls the goalie eight minutes later as she mumbles, "Slow? We'll just see about that..."Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
George R. R. Martin, Joss Whedon, Steven Moffat and Kc Wayland walk into a bar and everyone you've ever loved dies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
Yup. There, I said it. I linked to it before, but there it is.
I was typing at work and what I was thinking, trying to say, wasn't clear. I 100% agree with ya. From reading my post that wasn't clear. My bad. I was trying to say it was implied in the past, but said directly multiple times this episode.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jannit
Imagine if they had to kill Saul? Man, that would be one hell of a turn.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
I thought about Angel but I think his death was premature do to the nature of personal reasons. I thought about Lizzy too. But I am not sure I have heard her Narrate. Guess I will have to re-listen to the whole podcast over again.. Poor me.. LOL..Quote:
Originally Posted by Jannit
Man, you just reminded all the scenes we saw with Scratch and Tardust. We now have Tardust with our heroes. I guess there is much more Tardust interrogation to come than correct? Somehow we got all of those scenes into our journals. I wonder if Burt and Riley sit down and talk to him for a full episode or how that is recorded...Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin1274
Lizzy hasn't narrated since Season 3, when she was the Mallers captiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Merlin1274
At least i think.
Anyone else think of this when Pegs was counting zombies in the spotter pictures?
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Long live the Krümelmonster or how you do probably call it - the cookie monster. But yes, now that you mention it, the scene really sounds like watching Sesame Street a bit. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor