Chapter 45-1: Distorted Truths

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Apr 22nd, 2014, 12:39 PM
Gooer

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Originally Posted by Osiris

This isn't a dramatic retelling of a high school girl's coming of age and self-discovery.

It......It isn't? Oh.....
Apr 22nd, 2014, 12:56 PM
nikvoodoo

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Originally Posted by Kc

And Greg miller will be there. That'd be an interesting conversation. All the peoples from WND and WAfancast... well, except Beez :(

yeah and me. But that's ok. I'm just chopped liver.

Beez and I are going to have our own thing going on and we didn't want you guys there anyway.
Apr 22nd, 2014, 12:57 PM
YetAnotherBloodyCheek

So, what is Burt going to do with Tardust. Is he really able to kill Tardust in cold blood? Or will there be a story twist which renders killing Tardust the only opinion?
Apr 22nd, 2014, 12:58 PM
Witch_Doctor

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Originally Posted by Gooer

Where does it say Burt killed someone? Not sure if i'm being dumb... And I don't think anyone besides Lizzy and Tardust knew who was involved. Yes, people knew it happened, but not who tried it on with Lizzy.....

Chapter 42, part 1, Burt says that he got into a fire fight with a Maller at one of their old hang outs. The wounded Maller called out for Scratch several times before bleeding out.
Apr 22nd, 2014, 01:00 PM
Osiris

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Originally Posted by Tielurrdee

I'm going to defend kc on this. I use drills (chord less) almost everyday. I could relisten to this again but I did 3 times yesterday. I saw nothing out of the ordinary with that sound and I've drilled through concrete and had it stop and make similar noises.

There is a marked difference between the drive shaft seizing against the motor, and the sound of the clutch engaging. One is a whine, the other a chattering. I also use drills everyday, cordless as well as corded, impact, screwguns, hammer drills, just about any rotary device you can use to insert something into something else with. That was a clutch engaging. There is no doubt in my mind of that.
Apr 22nd, 2014, 01:10 PM
Witch_Doctor

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Logic would dictate at this point the show has become predictable. It's at this point a writer would make a turn. Turn everything you know up to this point on its head--within the confines of the genre. It's time to do the opposite of what we're expecting over the course of the next 220 minutes (give or take).
The long and short of this is: We're essentially at the third act climax in the grand scheme of the story, and as such Kc is more likely to break with the formula than he is to stay locked into it.

So, you're saying that KC is making a Crazy Ivan?
Apr 22nd, 2014, 01:12 PM
Osiris

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

So, you're saying that KC is making a Crazy Ivan?

I wouldn't draw that comparison, no.
Apr 22nd, 2014, 01:13 PM
Duffusmonkey

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Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek

So, what is Burt going to do with Tardust. Is he really able to kill Tardust in cold blood? Or will there be a story twist which renders killing Tardust the only opinion?

Tardust will be kept alive for bait, either for Scratch or for The One With The Markings, but don't listen to me all my Theories are killed off by KC eventually.
Apr 22nd, 2014, 01:29 PM
Gooer

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

Chapter 42, part 1, Burt says that he got into a fire fight with a Maller at one of their old hang outs. The wounded Maller called out for Scratch several times before bleeding out.

Oh..... But that was before Burt and Riley came back to the Colony, during the 4 month gap? Thought he was on about Burt saying it this episode.....
Apr 22nd, 2014, 01:39 PM
Witch_Doctor

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

So, Tardust has secret hideout that Scratch doesn't know about. AND it was in use before C.J.'s Tower was over-run. How often does he get the chance to stay there? Why does he go there instead of where ever else he and Scratch stays?

However, Riley does say that it doesn't really looked recently lived in.

So, is Tardust abandoning Scratch?

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Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek

Hm, why does Tardust not carry the key to the house with him? Does he expect Scratch to return later on to the house?

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Originally Posted by Osiris

If that were the case he wouldn't say Scratch doesn't know about it. It's more likely he's lying to stay alive.

Hmm, I smell a trap.

Tardust has a safe-house that Scratch doesn't know about OR did he just say that to Burt & Riley so that they won't expect her to show up?
Scratch is following the convoy or she's lying in wait to enter the safe-house after Tardust or plotting some other trap while B&R are focused on Tardust?

Remember how she sent the sappy-shooting decoy team to the prisoner exchange for Lizzy/Pegs? What can happen when the Colonist think that Scratch is following a convoy? They send valuable people to look for her, let their guard down elsewhere...?

Tardust could feed false info...

Chapter 43, Part, when they're spying on the Colonist leaving, she tells Tardust, "alright, back to the TRUCK!" In this Chapter, Riley are Burt discuss the CAR that pulls up to the house that they're watching. So, if Tardust actually left Scratch behind, like he says, then did she follow the convoy on foot? Did she have her own car? (So that would mean that they took a car and a truck to the Colony)

Perhaps they returned to a hangout with the truck, Tardust gets into a car and drives to the safe-house. He enters the house and returns the key to it hiding place so that anyone watching would know where to find it and follow. Scratch shows up later in the truck to get the drop on anyone inside.
Apr 22nd, 2014, 01:58 PM
TacticalJHP

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Originally Posted by Merlin1274

Burt Narrated in this chapter.. I do not see him dying in it.. Would not go along with what I have been noticing this in the story.. Those who no longer narrate are most likely to die. I think the the ones that narrate are alive at the end.. I guess I will have to wait till the end to see if I am correct.

All the narration means is that he wrote in the journal, not that he lives at the end.

Remember, Kalani had a narration too. A good chunk of chapter 27, after he was dead.

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Originally Posted by Osiris

]There is a marked difference between the drive shaft seizing against the motor, and the sound of the clutch engaging. One is a whine, the other a chattering. I also use drills everyday, cordless as well as corded, impact, screwguns, hammer drills, just about any rotary device you can use to insert something into something else with. That was a clutch engaging. There is no doubt in my mind of that.

Honestly, the simplest explanation for Burt's drill is he started to drill with the clutch engaged, he pauses, moves it to the "drill" setting, and drills out the lock.

I do that all the time when going from one part of a project to another using the same drill.
Apr 22nd, 2014, 02:12 PM
Osiris

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Originally Posted by TacticalJHP

All the narration means is that he wrote in the journal, not that he lives at the end.

Remember, Kalani had a narration too. A good chunk of chapter 27, after he was dead.

Honestly, the simplest explanation for Burt's drill is he started to drill with the clutch engaged, he pauses, moves it to the "drill" setting, and drills out the lock.

I do that all the time when going from one part of a project to another using the same drill.

Except for the fact we don't hear him change settings... sure. Seems legit. More likely it was a chance to showcase a new sound while telling the story, just happens to be a gross oversight on the part of the production team... I'm going to blame Blaire. We haven't blamed her for anything for a while. It's all your fault, Blaire. Get your shit together. :nik:
Apr 22nd, 2014, 02:24 PM
Gooer

I don't think we really need to argue about the realism of Burt drilling the lock any longer.... I mean really, what is the podcast about?
Apr 22nd, 2014, 02:30 PM
Osiris

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Originally Posted by Gooer

I don't think we really need to argue about the realism of Burt drilling the lock any longer.... I mean really, what is the podcast about?

Right now it's about Burt drilling into a lock. Honestly, there is so much shit on here about the meaning behind sounds, and birds, and tiny noises, throw away lines of dialogue suddenly achieve the deepest, most sinister connotations, tertiary characters are thrust into roles with more meaning than anyone actually above the line that it borders on insanity... and you're wanting to get off misuse of a sound effects cue*?! I might as well put a shotgun in my mouth now because this is going to turn bad fast.

:nik: /fanboyrage

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Apr 22nd, 2014, 03:29 PM
MrRedBeard

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

yeah and me. But that's ok. I'm just chopped liver.

Beez and I are going to have our own thing going on and we didn't want you guys there anyway.

Awww
Apr 22nd, 2014, 04:07 PM
BunnyButters

I get how important sounds are as it is an audio drama! But I'm not sure I see why the realism of drilling of the lock is such a focus, (don't think it could have some deeper meaning either) the story is about a zombie apocalypse after all!
Also, it's such an awesome show, production team are amazing and yeah sometimes may be some slip ups but not sure of need to focus on them/berate them. We even get to listen to all their hard work for free.
Just voicing my opinion!

Enjoy!
Apr 22nd, 2014, 04:49 PM
Osiris

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Originally Posted by BunnyButters

I get how important sounds are as it is an audio drama! But I'm not sure I see why the realism of drilling of the lock is such a focus, (don't think it could have some deeper meaning either) the story is about a zombie apocalypse after all!
Also, it's such an awesome show, production team are amazing and yeah sometimes may be some slip ups but not sure of need to focus on them/berate them. We even get to listen to all their hard work for free.
Just voicing my opinion!

Enjoy!

My point is: collectively we have spent far more man-hours on the most minute details of the show, and often at the expense of the performances given by the actors. We're more worried about the differences between an M16 being cocked, and an MP5. Was that a knife or a sword? Whose gasp was that? Was that a dog? Are those birds in the background? And on, and on. It feels like we're letting the little things get in the way of appreciating the acting. Just my feelings on the matter. I still blame Blaire.
Apr 22nd, 2014, 05:01 PM
BunnyButters

But surely that's what you've been doing by going on about the drill!?
Personally I don't need to make all those little distinctions, between guns n whatever. But I guess like yourself, each person has their own specific interests in particular episodes and on the story as a whole. For example I guess that anyone who is Science-y will focus on the hospital n meds n machines etc... Mechanical stuff will be more interesting to people who understand it and so forth!!
I liked the prison, courthouse, criminal side including appreciating Kelly as I study law!

All in all, it's a certainty that we all think the acting/actors are freakin' awesome (in my American accent)!

Peace out
Apr 22nd, 2014, 05:09 PM
Osiris

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Originally Posted by BunnyButters

But surely that's what you've been doing by going on about the drill!?
Personally I don't need to make all those little distinctions, between guns n whatever. But I guess like yourself, each person has their own specific interests in particular episodes and on the story as a whole. For example I guess that anyone who is Science-y will focus on the hospital n meds n machines etc... Mechanical stuff will be more interesting to people who understand it and so forth!!
I liked the prison, courthouse, criminal side including appreciating Kelly as I study law!

All in all, it's a certainty that we all think the acting/actors are freakin' awesome (in my American accent)!

Peace out

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Apr 22nd, 2014, 05:11 PM
Kc

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

yeah and me. But that's ok. I'm just chopped liver.

Beez and I are going to have our own thing going on and we didn't want you guys there anyway.

Crap! That's right! For some reason I thought you were coming :( Boooourns.
Apr 22nd, 2014, 05:13 PM
Osiris

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Originally Posted by Kc

Crap! That's right! For some reason I thought you were coming :( Boooourns.

Does this mean that the We're Not Dead series wrap up isn't going to happen?! Seriously, I was looking forward to that more than anything else.
Apr 22nd, 2014, 05:58 PM
Merlin1274

Correct.. Kalani got his own Episode to explain things. I meant the end of the chapter.. It was an error in my part making it sound like the end of the podcast.
Apr 22nd, 2014, 06:02 PM
werewolf

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Originally Posted by Storm

Can't be the case, since what we're hearing from them now takes place after they returned in chapter 42. They're now out again to continue the hunt. Besides that, Tardust and Scratch were watching the colony as they move out, which is also after Burt and Riley returned...

your right my bad. however, I still think Burt is going to fuck up Tardust in a big way.
Apr 22nd, 2014, 06:32 PM
nikvoodoo

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Originally Posted by MrRedBeard

Awww

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Originally Posted by Kc

Crap! That's right! For some reason I thought you were coming :( Boooourns.

That originally was the plan, but since the second addition to the family, flying across the nation somehow fell off as a viable option for my summer plans.

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Does this mean that the We're Not Dead series wrap up isn't going to happen?! Seriously, I was looking forward to that more than anything else.

That still may happen if schedules can line up
Apr 22nd, 2014, 06:38 PM
Osiris

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

That still may happen if schedules can line up

This makes me okay with the show ending. Miss listening to yous guys.
Apr 23rd, 2014, 12:34 AM
orllyfools

random thought; wheres lady during all this? is she still alive?
Apr 23rd, 2014, 01:27 AM
BunnyButters

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Originally Posted by Osiris

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Well that's not very sporting now is it!? We all have the liberty to voice our opinions on this forum without some members making us feel small!
Apr 23rd, 2014, 05:17 AM
Merlin1274

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Originally Posted by orllyfools

random thought; wheres lady during all this? is she still alive?

I am sure she is in the Colony with Hope.. I think that is where they left her..
Apr 23rd, 2014, 05:19 AM
LiamKerrington

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Originally Posted by orllyfools

random thought; wheres lady during all this? is she still alive?

She was eaten - by someone or something ... Maybe. Just maybe.

As for the drill-discussion: I am fine with it. I am not interested in this detail, especially with Kc asking for some suspension of disbelief (or whatever you call that; but I am totally OK with anyone making the fuzz about it.

Tardust: I really, really wonder why he has split up with Scratch. Why would they choose to act seperately? Why would she follow the convoy, while Tardust moves away to do exactly what? Is he out and about because he was meant to work on the radio-communication again? Or was he meant to go on another scavenge-tour? Did Scratch force him to leave her, because he is such a effed up person that she simply did not want to have his stench around anymore?

I would also want to know how many more Mallers are around? After the bin fight in the Colony we have not even a rough estimate how many Mallers were able to get away? Since Burt and Riley were following a lead after some Mallers reported by CJ's people, there certainly are more left than just Scratch and Tardust. So - what exactly are the numbers? And what exactly do these deadheads do? And if there are some more available, how likely it is that there could be more around Tardust's hideout?

I think Riley and Burt will survive this part of the story. Otherwise Burt might have mentioned Riley's demise when he commented on Datu's and Lizzy's deaths ...

Best wishes!
Liam
Apr 23rd, 2014, 06:59 AM
Osiris

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Originally Posted by BunnyButters

Well that's not very sporting now is it!? We all have the liberty to voice our opinions on this forum without some members making us feel small!

You just shit on me for voicing my opinion. You thought you were about to get preferential treatment because....
Apr 23rd, 2014, 07:00 AM
Osiris

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Originally Posted by Merlin1274

I am sure she is in the Colony with Hope.. I think that is where they left her..

Oh right... we still haven't had the Hope "Datu! Noooooooooooooooo!" scene yet, have we?
Apr 23rd, 2014, 07:15 AM
GamerGirl

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Oh right... we still haven't had the Hope "Datu! Noooooooooooooooo!" scene yet, have we?

I don't think we're going to get a "Datu! Noooooooooooooooo!" scene from anyone. They knew he was going to die & they said their goodbyes. People will be sad, but no shock & rage.

However, a "Lizzy! Noooooooooooooooo!" scene...... that I can see.
Apr 23rd, 2014, 07:17 AM
Osiris

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Originally Posted by GamerGirl

I don't think we're going to get a "Datu! Noooooooooooooooo!" scene from anyone. They knew he was going to die & they said their goodbyes. People will be sad, but no shock & rage.

However, a "Lizzy! Noooooooooooooooo!" scene...... that I can see.

Was Hope in on the Datu thing? I don't even remember. I think I intentionally block the character out.
Apr 23rd, 2014, 07:38 AM
Litmaster

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Originally Posted by Gooer

Interesting episode. Burt and Riley finding that spineless son of a gun Tardust. Find it surprising that he left Scratch as she went for the second convoy group, considering they had a bunch of supplies/hostages, but then, it would of been 2 people vs, what, 10-20 odd?

Datu gets cremated. At least he won't get disturbed in his peace......*sigh*

And the interesting part: Ink and his posse sealed the entrance of the Tunnel at the Church. Was it to stop the survivors getting back in, or something else?

Stop 'em from getting in. Wouldn't be surprised if they block off the arena tunnel, too. :nik:

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Originally Posted by Verse

Burt and Ri are bosses though. They have their shit together for sure. I am not shocked that Tardust flipped. He didn't want to be a part of the hunt. I am betting he finally just had enough. She was to the point of standing on the walls of the colony. KC did say that the scene of Scratch and Tardust didn't break how the story has been told so far. This shows how. Great story telling.

Yeah, I'm thinking he's had enough of Scratch's crazy bullshit. Must have been pretty bad if he thought he would have a better chance of survival on his own than in hanging out with Scratch... :nik:

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Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek

One big question remains, regarding the episode's beginning. So, Burt and Riley have this super cool hideout, Burt has Dog, Riley takes care of all the non-Dog-related things. Everything seems to be well organized and in perfect shape. But -

why did neither Burt nor Riley come up with the idea of applying some oil to the door hinges? Virtually nobody likes to live in a refuge those rooms are connected via creaky doors.

Maybe they wanted creaky doors... a kinda low-tech alarm system, don't'cha'know...

Of course, they DO have a guard goat on duty :nik:
Apr 23rd, 2014, 07:44 AM
Gooer

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Was Hope in on the Datu thing? I don't even remember. I think I intentionally block the character out.

Wow, that's mean.
Apr 23rd, 2014, 08:35 AM
Gnex

Wow...... you get sick for a few days and you miss 20 pages of forum activity!!!

Awesome episode!!! I like the way Datu was laid to rest!!! :)

Couple questions that came to mind.......

1) When Tardust shows up at the House and he is "exhausted"..... What is He exhausted from?? Seems like we might need to know that.......

2) Also, Tardust claims that Scratch was not coming, and not going to meet him there. So why does he replace the key in the storm drain??? Or is he waiting on someone else? Would seem to me if you are exhausted you would keep the key, so that no one can get inside with you...... Or at least they would have to break a door/window..... which would give you time to react!

3) Finally, Tardust says "I left her behind" when he is questioned about Scratch. Everything we have known about Scratch tells us that she is not someone that you "Leave behind"..... So did Tardust lie about Scratch's whereabouts? Did he sneak away from her?? Or is Scratch injured somewhere and he really did "leave" her???
Apr 23rd, 2014, 08:42 AM
LiamKerrington

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Was Hope in on the Datu thing? I don't even remember. I think I intentionally block the character out.

I think there was a goodbye between them, when R2Da2 was working on the windmill-water-pump-thingy. But I am not certain and way tooooo lazy (aka busy with other shit) to listen to that episode again ...
Apr 23rd, 2014, 08:46 AM
clem131

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

I think there was a goodbye between them, when R2Da2 was working on the windmill-water-pump-thingy. But I am not certain and way tooooo lazy (aka busy with other shit) to listen to that episode again ...

There was. She was brought by Pete to the well just before he got his hand eaten by the windmill.
Apr 23rd, 2014, 10:53 AM
LiamKerrington

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Originally Posted by clem131

There was. She was brought by Pete to the well just before he got his hand eaten by the windmill.

Thx 4 the confirmation ... !
Apr 23rd, 2014, 11:36 AM
Osiris

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Originally Posted by Gooer

Wow, that's mean.

Nothing against the actress, mind you. Just a whiny character I could do without.

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