Cause he is Crazy!!! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullethead
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Cause he is Crazy!!! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullethead
I think he set them up as soon as they got there. Keys in the door to convienient. They were food he knew curiosity would lead them deeper in leading them to his monsters. He shut the gate so they couldn't escape. He let puck live to send a message to the others. plus puck escaped I think he's all about the game think about the arena puck beat the game so he let him live.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullethead
I know this is a stupid question but what's a control he said he left one guy as a control. I assume he was normal
I said this in the thread from last episode........Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
But seriously, Puck was basically taken out by the Big Hairy Behemoth.....
Now the question seems to be Why did Ink just walk over to him and smile, and then leave without killing him right there?
I see a few possible reasons..... and I am sure there are many many more.....
1) Ink left Puck because effectively he was no longer a threat?
2) Ink left Puck so that he could tell his story thus spreading fear/panic? (sometimes knowing details is scarier than not knowing)
3) Ink left Puck because he enjoys leaving people in misery..... (Remember he left CJ after Dunbar fell and she has lost friends, etc.....)
4) Maybe Ink needs the Colonists to do something, and left Puck alive to tell the story, thus motivating them into action???
I'm sure there are many more possible reasons for why Ink does what he does......
A control is like your base.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombie Yeti
So you would have 1 person who you would just leave normal.....
Then on the others you experiment.... give one Drug A + Drug B, give another Drug A + Drug C, etc... etc....
It is a way to measure what exactly is making the changes/ and what the changes are.....
Here is an example..... :)
An example of an experimental control might be testing plant fertilizer by giving it to only half the plants in a garden: the plants that receive no fertilizer are the control group, because they establish the baseline level of growth that the fertilizer-treated plants will be compared against. Without a control group, the experiment cannot determine whether the fertilizer-treated plants grow more than they would have if untreated.
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Wow! Excellent episode this week, KC + company. I continue to be impressed by the quality of the podcast and absolutely love the story. It's going to be a long wait until the end of the month...
A control is someone not exposed to the drug. The intent is to ensure those changes are actually a result of the drug and not something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombie Yeti
... oops. I need to refresh pages before posting. Sorry!
Interesting idea here though.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
A control is generally left alone. As in the example Above..... half the plants are left alone, and half given fertilizer to see how much the fertilizer effects the growth...... compared to how much they would grow without it.......
Why would Ink need a control for what he is doing??? If he basically left an Inmate in a cell and did nothing to him......... wouldn't he just starve and die??? Or has Ink just told us that there is something else going on?? Everyone is already Infected??
Well ... Assuming Randy is not a rogue zombie, but kind of a general under Ink's control, what else could it mean that Randy was out and about with two bottles of Follistaine? Was it Follistaine only, or was it a mixture of follistain and the zombie-agent? And how un-/likely would it be that Ink already poisons the water-resources with this mixture. The dosages consumed by the Colonists would be very small - but over time they would build up like crazy. You know, just like with leaded waterlines ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
That would be bad. And it would mean: everyone would be infected ...
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This is one of the simplest, yet most clever theories i've heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombie Yeti
My guess is he needed a control b/c he was in untested waters. I do not think base line humans could survive what he was doing. We know that there is a change in the body from being a Zed. Even without any work you get tougher. We know the changed ones in Baulder were meaner and tougher than regular Zeds. At the very least regular Zeds get much tougher than us humans.
My guess is this. Hear me out as this is a bit large. Putting together a few ideas into one.
The Cells with the Symbols were different types of Special Ones he collected. Jumpers. Fasties. Ect. Skittles even said they were not seen anymore. They had to go somewhere. If you faster and better... odds are you live longer. They are types of Alpha Zombies.
His control can be used to see what if different from the base... to regular Zeds... to Special Zeds. Kinda like how Tanya is doing, but a bigger scale besides just blood levels. We know that the Little Ones are kinda everything. Bigger, Tougher, Faster, and heals faster. He used a control to see what was different from regular Zeds and special ones, and from base humans and Zeds. That way he can figure out what works.
Odds are his tests went very very fast. If you can get changes from a bite in hours... it means your body is able to evolve (not the right word, but best I got) faster. Tanya said they were already changing with no going back in under an hour. Want would take a normal person years to do with chemicals you can get done in days/weeks.
With a human, or Zed, control he could get a whole lot of work done really really fast.
Going off of this theory. Weren't those the cells that were broken IN TO rather than out of. Like an angry hungry behemoth trying to get inQuote:
Originally Posted by Verse
Just wow ... Dr Watson, you have out-minded Mr Holmes ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Verse
If they were already infected, why hasn't anyone spontaneously changed? And no one seems to change after they die, but change when they are bitten?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
But then maybe...... Maybe the scratch/bite is a catalyst that activates the change in a human, instead of being the actual cause?
We heard it once before when describing his name and rank. I think Robbins did it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
No to shoot this down, but I'm going to. Behemoths kill by brute force. They don't bite or gnaw. Puck's descriptions of what happened are filters for any brutality that might have occurred. They're not getting back up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombie Yeti
Interesting ideas Verse! I was kind of leaning toward this idea myself. But the word "control" generally means nothing has been done....... AKA it is just a human sitting in a jail cell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Verse
Now............. If we say that Ink Bit all the prisoners......... Then the "Control" is just the guy that got Bit, and was left to change and be a normal Zombie...... while the other zombies were injected with Chemicals/drugs to see what kinda crazy things would happen. Now if we say that the "control" is just a human that was bitten, then I can get behind the idea of a control...... but to just leave a human in a cell, Why???
Also interesting Gooer.... I guess the bottom line is we need to know what Ink was doing with his Control..... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooer
If me, you, and Verse were all in cells....... and Ink injected me with Drug A, you with Drug B, and just left Verse chilling out....... Me and you would turn into crazy mega zombies with long legs, fur, etc.... etc.....
And our buddy Verse would just be sitting over there wigging out probably wanting someone to kill him cause everyone around him would be changing into monsters.......
It seems to me that as the survivors have seen several of the Behemoths now, and have not said that they all looked different, it must mean that the ones inside of the Jail must of been the very first test subjects, since they all look different, and that Austin was the wanted outcome. How did Ink make the test subjects stay inside of the prison, and for what purpose?
I wonder why Ink did not seem as distraught that these Behemoths died, as he was when Arrowhead was killed. Remember he let out a loud scream and sent in some ADLOs to attack the colony. Who did Burt say arrowhead was again? In relation to Ink's cellmate or something?
Also, I don't think anyone has touched on something (and I know there was a lot to take in).
Didn't they find a second # 6 ADLO ? As well as find some numbers up in the 20s ?
In other news......
Both of the Kanji(Japanese writing) tattoos in the middle of Ink's forhead stand for Protect or Protection. (I think this has already been said)
But.....
Other meanings are Defend, Preserve, sustain, support, etc, etc
Maybe all Zombies can read Japanese and that's how they know to Protect Ink!!! :D
So what your saying is....... When Big Hairy hit puck and only broke some bones instead of killing him outright, that was intentional because Ink had told him he wanted a survivor!! Right??!? :squint:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
And no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullethead
Seems Kc is here to make sure we don't stray from the path of understanding....
I once made a joke in another thread that I wouldn't want to encounter a behemoth in the prison showers. Yesterday's episode kind of confirmed my fear :D
Oh man, I do not want to play a game of chess with Dr Roberts - he definitely has got the way better towers. Damn, those behemoths are deadly as hell.
Another big question is - would it have made any difference if they had encountered the twin tower facility already - let's say - right after the battle at the colony? Are there any limitations on Ink's resources?
And besides, there to be more than follastatine and the other ingredients to the whole z-thing because it just boils down to combinatorics - problems as such mentioned in the story have the tendency to be narrowed down over a longer period of time. Or, to put it short - it appears to be quite unlikely that there should have been no one else who could have tilt the right materials.
For what it's worth, control does not always mean that nothing was done. In the simplest experiments, yes, that is what it may mean- as was explained in the fertilizer vs no fertilizer example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
In other cases, such as randomized controlled trials for cancer, the control may be the "standard of care". So lets say Drug A is what everybody is getting, and there is some success, better 5 year survival rates, etc than patients who do not receive that drug. Now if drug B comes along (and animal models show good results-that's a discussion for another time) and you want to test how effective it is in patients with the same type of cancer. It would be unethical to compare patients receiving drug B to patients receiving no treatment because we know there is an effective treatment. So you would compare patients receiving Drug B against patients receiving Drug A.
In this case, I think Drug A is the plain "infection". Drug B is what we think has slightly better efficacy based on Ink's theories, but we do not know if it is more effective without testing it on the prisoners. Completely unethical to test on prisoners, but we knew that already. I don't think there's a human being left unchanged for experimental purposes in the jail.
I would say that is true. Tanya has said that the Zeds has a lot of animal like behaviors. The place was locked when they got in. We saw the Behemoths just standing in a daze in the wild from that Water Tower when they hid with Skittles. No matter how well trained a dog is... if he is angry enough...and hungry enough... he will bite you. My guess is that Ink did his stuff... and when they got out of control he just locked them in the dark. They would wander around till they found things... then attack and eat... then do that stare into space thing we saw them do at the Water Tower. Skittles said they are avoided by others. They don't bust through walls at random. We have only seen them go all out over food. Odds are they just wander around and go nuts when they run into each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrunken
Betting when it got bad Ink just locked them up and they ate the ones in the cells when they found them. By that time Ink had gotten the Little Ones done right. Didn't kill them b/c we know how hard they are to kill. Just let them wander in the dark.
I was only poking at our wonderful Author KC......Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooer
I wanted to make a joke about the Big Hairy Behemoth not being able to be in the musical anymore..... but it seemed too easy! :D
Meanwhile, somewhere in the distance, a table is being flipped :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
Wasn't there a musical or broadway show or something with tables being flipped???? STOMP or something like that?!??Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyhind86
I swear everything is just falling into place!!! :yay:
I'm still waiting for the episode that reveals Skittles to be the mastermind behind everything. :tinfoil:Quote:
Originally Posted by TacticalJHP
"Trollin', got my chips cashed in. Keep trollin', like the do-dah man. Together, more or less in line, just keep trollin' on..."
The concept could be worked into the musical version. I have a sneaky suspicion that nothing would make you happier :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Gnex
I miss Skittles. I want him to return. Will he ever return? I think it would be nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by FunkyDung
I got a feeling he's gonna pop back up. He'll probably be the one who ends up saving the day in the end. I just got this image of Michael setting up some elaborate trap to take out Ink and his Z army but when he goes to set it off, something goes wrong and then Skittles comes out of nowhere to sacrifice himself to set off the trap and take out Ink.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooer
I was thinking he would either be bait/a sacrifice....Quote:
Originally Posted by HardKor
As Farouk of the APA would say, "Damn!"
Also, with everyone speculating what the symbols mean, I will not be thrilled with Kc if it turns into some message for Ralphie or us to "be sure to drink more ovaltine."
I'm figuring that he fed the unsuccessful experiments to the successful one's. Maybe you had to be able to break out of your prison (like an bird in an egg) for him to let them live.
The smile:
Someone pointed out that when he attacked the tower he had broken teeth. Now, his teeth are described as providing contrast to the dark of his tattooed face. Does that mean he is able to regenerate teeth? That he brushes his teeth?
If he is all about the game, maybe he was pleased to show it to someone.
Naw, he just thought Puck was going to die.
The most puzzling thing to me is how some cells were broken in and some were broken out. Somebody just mentioned it but no thoughts have been spent on it.
I understand the scenario where Ink injects the soon-to-be behemots with something and then locks them with a bunch of corpses to eat. They eat, they grow, they break the doors out.
What puzzles me is the doors broken in:
- you don't break it because you don't have the keys. Ink obviously has the keys to get in and out.
- you don't break it because you want to get to someone locked inside. I mean, you can, but then you can't keep it closed in there anymore. So, again, if Ink needed to get in, inject the person with something and then keep him closed there for the change to happen, he would have just opened the door with the keys and closed it again.
So, if you have the keys and you can get to the person inside by other means, what happened? Were those inside really just snacks? Then why all the markings on the doors? Those represented the price in zombie currency?