Chapter 35-1

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Originally Posted by Dyhoerium

The idea of Scratch calling Michael on the SAT phone just seems like it would be an amazing scene. I don't like this idea entirely though because I think the Maller story line should end so we can focus 100% on the Man in the Pinstripe Suit.

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And...

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Originally Posted by Merlin1274

This is a Zombie Survival Story. Not a Scratch Survival Story. There is a lot more story here beside Scratch's Blood lust for Pegs..

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Amen to both!!! I'm getting pretty tired of the Mallers hanging around and fucking up the works. This started as a zombie story; it should END as a zombie story. I'm all for Season 4: The Hunt for Ink!!

Boy are you guys going to be surprised when you finally start to realize how long Scratch actually survives for...

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Boy are you guys going to be surprised when you finally start to realize how long Scratch actually survives for...

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You probably are right. But I do dislike me some Scratch. Specialy after her destruction of Shirley. But if she does survive a longtime. There will be a time when she will have to set aside her vengence and have to work with Michael and the others to survive the Zombies. But I do hope this is the "End" of the Mallers..

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Originally Posted by Merlin1274

You probably are right. But I do dislike me some Scratch. Specialy after her destruction of Shirley. But if she does survive a longtime. There will be a time when she will have to set aside her vengence and have to work with Michael and the others to survive the Zombies. But I do hope this is the "End" of the Mallers..

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You're supposed to dislike Scratch. :) As for the end of the Mallers? It feels like that whole thing ended with the death of Durai.

Scratch is already dead. We're just getting the flashback part of the story.

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Originally Posted by mem

Scratch is already dead. We're just getting the flashback part of the story.

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But she's the one reading the journal entries, or weren't you paying attention when that vital bit of information was slipped to us?

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Originally Posted by Osiris

But she's the one reading the journal entries, or weren't you paying attention when that vital bit of information was slipped to us?

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I know I wasn't paying attention (or not on the boards at the time). Where did you find that?

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Originally Posted by Jannit

I know I wasn't paying attention (or not on the boards at the time). Where did you find that?

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Originally Posted by Jannit

I know I wasn't paying attention (or not on the boards at the time). Where did you find that?

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In Osi's wet dream.

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Originally Posted by Litmaster

In Osi's wet dream.

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:squint: If only.

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Originally Posted by Litmaster

In Osi's wet dream.

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say what you will about osi's motives...but the theory makes sense. I believe most of the "non-journal" related storytelling involves her in some way or another...its just as good an idea as half the other crackpot shit on here

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Originally Posted by Osiris

But she's the one reading the journal entries, or weren't you paying attention when that vital bit of information was slipped to us?

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Wait, I know you were having fun with this but I just had a light-bulb with this comment. CJ must be still alive, right? She would be the only to have so must detail of what happen at the hospital? Who else would have know why they when down instead of wait or checking the rooms. That stuff wouldn't have been written down by Burt or Saul, right? Most of the detail about this story is provide by first people, correct me if wrong, account. Either through journal, recording or audio. So CJ would need to be around to provide the missing information. And we know Saul is still alive since he start this journal entry.

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Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper

Wait, I know you were having fun with this but I just had a light-bulb with this comment. CJ must be still alive, right? She would be the only to have so must detail of what happen at the hospital? Who else would have know why they when down instead of wait or checking the rooms. That stuff wouldn't have been written down by Burt or Saul, right? Most of the detail about this story is provide by first people, correct me if wrong, account. Either through journal, recording or audio. So CJ would need to be around to provide the missing information. And we know Saul is still alive since he start this journal entry.

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Would it not also make sense that others may have been present and able to recount certain events that transpired during that period? There was no fun-having in my post. I'm a firm believer that Scratch is the last "man" standing and is the one reading the journals.

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Originally Posted by 7oddisdead

say what you will about osi's motives...but the theory makes sense. I believe most of the "non-journal" related storytelling involves her in some way or another...its just as good an idea as half the other crackpot shit on here

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:rofl: that av is making me lose my shit, broseph.

:squint: There really should be a :rofl: nik. http://smiliesftw.com/tag/rofl

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Originally Posted by 7oddisdead

say what you will about osi's motives...but the theory makes sense. I believe most of the "non-journal" related storytelling involves her in some way or another...its just as good an idea as half the other crackpot shit on here

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The only time I think we know about her outside of the journal is the videotape. Every other time it through a main character. We find about the revolution through Vic, and the check up through Blondie, and so on...

Be the way, when Saul was check with Vic on Bigzly, what was Liz trying to tell Vic?

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Originally Posted by Dyhoerium

For everyone that has been saying CJ may be wearing a bullet proof vest, go back and listen to where Saul puts his on. He seems miffed that he just now thought to put them on, like he wanted to give CJ one. I'm guessing she's not wearing one.

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I think Saul just realize that they extra vest for the others. I believe he and CJ puts theirs on in an earlier episode. I looked for it but counldn't find it mentioned though.

Not sure ifg it has been mentioned but CJ sounds very upset when Scratch shoots into the doorway. I doubt she knows it's Saul when this happens because she sounds surprised to hear his voice later. However I could be wrong if: She did know that Saul came through the door and was shot but thought that he was dead; being sirprised later to find they he survived. Or know that it was someone on her team but not necessarily Saul.

Could she even see the door? Anyone catch the layout of this scene?

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Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper

Be the way, when Saul was check with Vic on Bigzly, what was Liz trying to tell Vic?

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I was wondering what the background voices were saying too. I can't make it out, but I actually think it's background voices on Saul's end, not Victor's. My best guess is that it's one of the extra people with Bixby.

So ... If I get this right ... Scratch has THE opportunity no 1 to kill CJ, and some/ most/ all (whichever?) of you think Scratch only wounded CJ, and CJ would get anpther shot at least to wound Scratch?
Really - that makes no sense. Listen carefully to 17:38 - 17:40 ... That's right after the scream at 17:35 ... Between "You lose." and "I win." Sounds like a stab or cut - most likely a fatal one ... Goodbye CJ, although I am very sorry about it.

It makes sense if you consider how amazing Scratch is. She's probably killed everyone by the time the nuke goes off in Whatever State, U.S.A. I wasn't really paying attention to that part because it wasn't relevant to the story.

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

So ... If I get this right ... Scratch has THE opportunity no 1 to kill CJ, and some/ most/ all (whichever?) of you think Scratch only wounded CJ, and CJ would get anpther shot at least to wound Scratch?
Really - that makes no sense. Listen carefully to 17:38 - 17:40 ... That's right after the scream at 17:35 ... Between "You loose." and "I win." Sounds like a stab or cut - most likely a fatal one ... Goodbye CJ, although I am very sorry about it.

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I wish I knew. It either the sound of something tearing or blood, but wasn't the same blood sound as Saul getting hit.

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

Could she even see the door? Anyone catch the layout of this scene?

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I imagined the layout of the hallway as being a dog-leg, with these relative positions:


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This is getting ridiculous
Scratch Must Die.

I hate Scratch so much ... Really, you have no idea. But she is the perfect depiction of "The Evil" per se that I want her to stay with us as long as possible. The show would loose a certain quality ... Besides Burt and Datu she really has the best and coolest quotes and besides anyone else she has the coolest scenes.

And I hope that, IF she gets downed, it will be an amazing scene ...

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

I hate Scratch so much ... Really, you have no idea. But she is the perfect depiction of "The Evil" per se that I want her to stay with us as long as possible. The show would loose a certain quality ... Besides Burt and Datu she really has the best and coolest quotes and besides anyone else she has the coolest scenes.

And I hope that, IF she gets downed, it will be an amazing scene ...

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Except that she isn't evil. She's the victim of circumstance. Poor woman just can't catch a break. :(

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Except that she isn't evil. She's the victim of circumstance. Poor woman just can't catch a break. :(

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Yes, she is a victim of circumstances. But that is no excuse for many things she did so far ...

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

Not sure. This is how I see this last picture between Scratch and CJ. Spoiler: No, Scratch won't go after Saul leaving an unarmed, still leathel woman behind, because CJ could take the blade anytime again, and Scratch wouldn't leave such an opportunity.

Scratch and CJ trade blows. Saul says something, which makes CJ stop moving, even turn half way around to him calling his name. Scratch rushes on CJ, grabs her hair and pulls her head with her free hand, while pushing the blade away. CJ screams and drops the blade. Scratch uses her momentum and makes CJ loose her balance, drop halfway to the floor. Resting on her knees, caught in a deathgrip from Scratch she feels Scratch's knife at her throat. "You loose...", says Scratch and cuts CJs throat, "I win." Now Scratch has the opportunity to deal with the half-downed Saul ...


Well, hell broke loose. Granted: There is a lot of potential for weird and not so weird plot-twists ... Next week will tell us - unless #35-2 is about Whiskers hunting zombie-rats ...

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I don't see Scratch going after Saul, at least not at full speed. Saul will probably come in, see Scratch standing over CJ, and fire a few rounds her way. I do think Scratch will be shot by Saul, but only in the arm, leg, shoulder, etc. A serious wound but not fatal and Scratch will be forced to make a strategic retreat.
I see Scratch surviving til the very end. We hear her running toward Pegs screaming "You killed my brother". Pegs simply turns, says "shut up bitch" and fires one round from Shirley 2.0, end credits.

As for 35-2, I wouldn't be surprised if we jump back to Boulder to hear Pegs, Kelly, & Lady evacuating the city.
At that point, my wild theory for 35-3 & the season finale would be Pegs & Kelly finding the Chinook wreckage. They search the chopper and find a second satphone that was the Captain's and they make the call that Michael answered. In the meantime, Glen gets the other satphone working and also calls Michael. The finale being Irwin evacuated to Dunbar with Michael going AWOL to find Pegs.

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Originally Posted by Z Sniper

meh,.....not enough meat in it. heh.

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Haha, I was so expecting someone to make that comment too.

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

So ... If I get this right ... Scratch has THE opportunity no 1 to kill CJ, and some/ most/ all (whichever?) of you think Scratch only wounded CJ, and CJ would get anpther shot at least to wound Scratch?
Really - that makes no sense. Listen carefully to 17:38 - 17:40 ... That's right after the scream at 17:35 ... Between "You loose." and "I win." Sounds like a stab or cut - most likely a fatal one ... Goodbye CJ, although I am very sorry about it.

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That's the way I picture it too, but I'm still holding out hope until Saul is holding CJ's lifeless body.

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

Yes, she is a victim of circumstances. But that is no excuse for many things she did so far ...

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Isn't it? :hsugh: Seriously... yes, it is. She is completely justified in all of her actions to present.

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Originally Posted by Jannit

I agree 100% with this. I've been hoping that we never actually DO find out what happened to Pegs and Kelly. I'd imagine that in a situation with a zombie apocalypse it'd be the norm to have people you love that you never hear from again. They just disappear with their fates a complete unknown. To find out what happened to them seems too convenient to me.

Plus, if we never hear from them again, maybe KC can do a spinoff of them in a different series later.

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Fairly certain we'll hear from pegs again. The actress who plays her had a commercial at the end of this episode, so KC's pulling her back into the studio and I doubt it's JUST for a commercial...

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Originally Posted by 7oddisdead

my sneaky suspicion.....they already have.

Also, I've not seen it mentioned, but gatekeeper now has the satphone...the question is, which one? Best I can tell..nobody has. Had the opportunity to get the busted one out of glen's shack...hmm...this is not shaping up well for the good guys

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I think Glenn has THE satphone. Gatekeeper has the satphone that they need the parts from.

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Originally Posted by ferroaj

Fairly certain we'll hear from pegs again. The actress who plays her had a commercial at the end of this episode, so KC's pulling her back into the studio and I doubt it's JUST for a commercial...

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Yeah... she couldn't have been there in order to make money... that shit would be 'cray as fuck.'

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Originally Posted by ferroaj

Fairly certain we'll hear from pegs again. The actress who plays her had a commercial at the end of this episode, so KC's pulling her back into the studio and I doubt it's JUST for a commercial...

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Hey it's "Pieeegs", not "Pegs"... get it right! :D

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Yeah... she couldn't have been there in order to make money... that shit would be 'cray as fuck.'

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Sure, it's a possibility, but what's the point? Why not get someone else to do it?

Full disclosure here, I fucking hate pegs. I'd like her to not return. I just don't think I'll be that lucky. (:

I'm probably gonna take some flack for this one, but I disagree with everyone on here. CJ is not dead. Wounded yes, but dead? no. Saul gets shot, CJ's pissed. Then when she hears him stir, she loses focus and Scratch takes the opportunity to attack. Scratch says "I got you", CJ gets stabbed (she no doubt has a vest on though). CJ screams. Scratch loses focus as Saul gets up and CJ says "you lose, I win."


I've listened to the line about 40 times now, and I can't hear scratch's voice. It's definitely CJ. Scratch is fucked.

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Originally Posted by ferroaj

Sure, it's a possibility, but what's the point? Why not get someone else to do it?

Full disclosure here, I fucking hate pegs. I'd like her to not return. I just don't think I'll be that lucky. (:

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No, I mean... maybe Elisa was there making money for herself... why would she get someone else to do it for her?

Also, not a Pegs fan, but I'm a big fan of Elisa. She's like a funbomb of awesome.

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Originally Posted by ferroaj

I'm probably gonna take some flack for this one, but I disagree with everyone on here. CJ is not dead. Wounded yes, but dead? no. Saul gets shot, CJ's pissed. Then when she hears him stir, she loses focus and Scratch takes the opportunity to attack. Scratch says "I got you", CJ gets stabbed (she no doubt has a vest on though). CJ screams. Scratch loses focus as Saul gets up and CJ says "you lose, I win."


I've listened to the line about 40 times now, and I can't hear scratch's voice. It's definitely CJ. Scratch is fucked.

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Nope. You're 100% wrong. You can clearly hear Saul mumble "damnit" which serves to distract CJ. Scratch makes her move. You hear CJ drop something as she's taken down by Scratch who says "But I've got you" and the sound of a knife slipping into flesh. As CJ screams we hear Burt. Scratch follows that with "You lose. I win."

It is absolutely Jenna's voice heard last.

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Originally Posted by Osiris

Nope. You're 100% wrong. You can clearly hear Saul mumble "damnit" which serves to distract CJ. Scratch makes her move. You hear CJ drop something as she's taken down by Scratch who says "But I've got you" and the sound of a knife slipping into flesh. As CJ screams we hear Burt. Scratch follows that with "You lose. I win."

It is absolutely Jenna's voice heard last.

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I agree with everything up until "you lose. I win" - I still don't hear Scratch... It makes sense because CJ said "Hear that? We win", but I just can't hear Scratch. I think CJ either had another weapon on her, or she was able to reach Scratch's second blade. Plus, if CJ's dead, Scratch is next. Saul is still alive, has a gun, and Scratch is within his line of fire. Either way, Scratch is fucked. I just really dont' think Cj's dead.

Ya know, all the heat osi is getting for his scratch theories and I'm getting for my satphone theories tells me one thing....

None of you watched the x-files....



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Originally Posted by ferroaj

I agree with everything up until "you lose. I win" - I still don't hear Scratch... It makes sense because CJ said "Hear that? We win", but I just can't hear Scratch. I think CJ either had another weapon on her, or she was able to reach Scratch's second blade. Plus, if CJ's dead, Scratch is next. Saul is still alive, has a gun, and Scratch is within his line of fire. Either way, Scratch is fucked. I just really dont' think Cj's dead.

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Then you need to go back and listen to the quality of Scratch's voice in that last scene. Listen to the saliva and the tone. None of that is present in CJ's performance. Saul has been downed, Burt is locked away, CJ is bleeding out on the carpet (or... you know... tiles). I really don't see how you're not getting this. Honestly, if you don't recognize Jenna's voice above any other on the show... you're not listening.

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Originally Posted by 7oddisdead

Ya know, all the heat osi is getting for his scratch theories and I'm getting for my satphone theories tells me one thing....

None of you watched the x-files....



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