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My first take on your question is like ya said...the specials didn't really show up till later, after the majority of humans were killed or turned to regular zombies. There aren't many humans around to become affected by the specials, therefor there aren't many specials.
Regarding Boulder, well with that i guess whatever happens happens but yeah, if a Little One gets in there then i suppose were going to end up with a lot more zombie 2 point 0's (or is it now ver. 3.0?).
Hi there,
Yes, they are heartier, craftier ... But no, they don't spread quicker than other types. Tommy and Fernando turned within minutes (Tommy) or less then a minute (Fernando) as well; and from different sources we know that infected humans turned quickly as well, which supports the and also is supported by the simple fact how fast L.A. and later the US was overrun by Zeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tar Heel Fan
As Robzombie says: The first Little One's were encountered by Skittles, Kalani and Angel at the military base in L.A; that was by the end of July in the WA-timeline. At that point in time the number of survivors in L.A. was less then half a thousand if we consider The Tower, The Mall, and The Colony as the only places with humans being alive and Skittles as well as CJ surviving solo on their own. When it all started on May 8th the city of L.A. was obliterated of life within less then a day - with Regulars/ standard biters/ zombies. The very first 'special' zombie we know of were the Runners encountered by Lizzy, Saul and Burt; then the Behemoth troubled Riley, Angel, Datu and Michael; later Ink showed up after having killed Paul, and then the next special one was the Jumper that knocked down Saul. It was after all these special ones that the Little Ones showed up the first time. And if we stick with the most solid theory so far that the first at least 12 Little Ones were infants and young children from the hospital, then it makes perfect sense that they were simply too late at the party to become a real threat so far, i.e. they were too late to spread their type of zomby-agent, because there was nearly no one available to be infected anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tar Heel Fan
That is why I agree with you: We probably to most likely have our first Little One at its feast; considering its cunning on the one side and on the other side the lack of intel on the Little Ones within the standard military forces in Boulder so far, Boulder might have some serious shit to deal with.
Would be time for the Toxic Avenger to show up, I assume ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tar Heel Fan
Mh. Not sure, if MK's Multiplicity Theory really applies. Do you remember Glen mentioning how Roman changed over night? This implies that the process from human => infection => Little One does not stop at the level of Little One, but it goes on. And here the mystery is on ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tar Heel Fan
Angel and Kalani found some slime; where was it when Saul and Victor checked the dead Little One in L.A. or killed the other Little One at the elementary; where was it when Tanya made her autopsy?
Skittles highlighted the funny way of walking of the Little Ones, and he together with Kalani and Angel recognized the small size of the Little Ones at the base; and later the beasts were so huge wherever you encountered them.
Briggs was able to rip off an arm of a Little One; I am pretty sure he wouldn't have been able to do so, if the skin and muscles and bone-structure of it was as tough as the ones Robbins and Carl found at the Chinook Crash side and really had trouble to bring down.
Considering this amount of information and the changes within the various 'qualities' I would say: Actually the Little Ones prove to be quite the opposite of what MK's theory says ... Because the farther we go in time, the more resilient, potent and dangerous these beasts become.
All the best!
Liam
Question?
We still haven't answered where this started nor how. But we thinking Ink maybe involved at the core, yet he won't to be to mod the zombies this much on his own. He needs help. What if the smart doctor zombie can retain the memory of their pre-zombie self? That would explain how advancement were made so quickly in a short time span. Think about it, the missing soldier is head directly to to Boulder. How would he be able to do that without maintain his memories?
I just had another thought on the origins of the Little Ones/ADLOs/Inklings... Could they be kids from the mental hospital, i.e the spark of insanity is what makes them dementedly clever as zombies? Unsure about this, since I can't remember if the hospital = the mental hospital Ink was transferred to.
Okay, no ones been saying anything for a few hours now so lets stir some shit up here....how about..........How, if at all possible might Ink be related to any of or be part of any of our known "family" members?? Come on people where does this bad ass mo- fo sit within the grand scheme of things with the players we all know and love/hate, or is he totally a seperate thing from all of that??
Keep it real, no supernatural bs, because reality or as close to reality has been a big thing about WA.
Hi.
Well, considering his backstory: convicted of multiple homicide, schicophrenic, tattoo-monster ... And when it all started he was brought to a "mental health facility".
@lr42186: We know from the "Devil's Workshop" that ths huge hospital in L.A. has a department for mental things. But would this have been sufficient for a madman like Bill Roberts? And would it have had the right 'infrastructure' for conivcted madmen as well - like half prison, half mental facility? Hard to tell. Since he knows the place, it seems to be the case, actually, that he was transferred to that place.
Still: Hard to tell.
@Robzombie: Was "Bill Roberts" part of "The Family"? Really hard to tell. Since he killed people in his human life, it could have been the case that he might have been a contract-killer/ killer from "The Family". But would the family have deployed madmen as well for such tasks, which might be too much of a security issue, a cannonball gone loose or something? I am not so sure what concept is behind "The Family"; but comparing it with Mafia or Yakuza I would say: These groups are highly organized and structured, obey to many rules and keep true to some kind of "honor-scheme". That is why I would say: Bill Roberts/ Ink is not related to "The Family" - in no way. He is on his own. And yet: Scratch could prove me wrong. (I still like the idea that she will become a Zed (probably a Little One), and then she and Ink will be more devastating then all nukes combined ...)
All the best!
Liam
No, I was not wrong with mentioning Chicago and New York. In chapter #2 the news explicitely mention riots in New York and Chicago as well as Houston and Detroid and San Diego ...Quote:
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All the best!
Liam
I think Ink started out as a Luchidore Wrestler in Mexico. We'll discover that Victor is a former Luchidore as well, and he was Ink's nemesis. The story will end with a death match between the two.Quote:
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Sudden thought: If Ink turns out to be a part of The Family... What if HE's the cousin who raped Scratch? Then, if she does turn into a super-Zed, or even if she doesn't... epic fight to the death?Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
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Originally Posted by lr42186
As you say - two words: "EPIC!"
I feel that the colonel knows more about the new zombies they are encountering. Hell, he might even have knowledge on how this whole mess even started.
For all of you who say Denver could not go down in 2hrs, remember the world went down in 2 days and this is a nastier zombie who infects other much faster.
For fun I set up a spread sheet that tracks how fast Denver could go down. I assumed one Inkling could kill 2 people and infect 2 people in populated area in 5 minutes. Result: every one gone in under 1.5 hours. Happy to run other numbers for you, but here is the result of the 2 + 2 in 5min assumption.
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Well, it seems to me that they haven't been around long enough for them to begin to dominate the zombie culture. The Little Ones only started appearing towards the end of the second season. Before that, I don't think they even existed, assuming that they're experiments conducted by Ink. In this season, people who are still in LA have encountered them a lot, which means that, yes, they are becoming the dominant type of biter. So before, they weren't around, and now that they are, they are becoming the dominant type, and it's being displayed in the show accordingly. At least, in my opinion.
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Furthermore, I think that the first special ones appeared sometime before The Other Tower (Dunbar) fell to the zombie attack. Kalani tells Micheal, Angel and Saul about Ground Zero and how the inhabitants of the other Tower reported strange 'creatures' there. "Some of them could jump high, others could run really fast, Well, you get the picture."
I've always suspected that the night of the rain storm when the power goes out as being the night of the Attack on CJ's tower. That would put their convoy going missing prior to Burt, Lizzy and Saul discovering the remains of the ambushed convoy.
Really hoping Denver didn't go down....I dunno, I liked the idea of a 'safe zone', Ft. Irwin, etc. 30 chapters of "no hope" was about enough for me and I'm looking forward to a huge showdown that will make me clutch a domestic beer and scream "AMUURRRRRIIIICAAAA"
Yeah, you are right: The strange ones at ground zero were recognized by CJ's people. But this still happened at least some days later then the zombie-apocalypse. Therefore I think it is safe to assume that the special ones, especially the Little Ones had no chance to get involved with the zeeh-pocalypse in the beginning. Although the Wiki-timeline is pretty uncertain about CJ's tower, it is just a thing of 'logic', I think, that CJs people started their scavenging and exploration some time later AFTER having established at least some basic means of fortification at the Tower ...Quote:
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@2bgood: +1
All the best!
Liam
I'm not saying the city couldn't go down in 2 hrs, I was saying I doubt it went down in 2 hrs without getting at least ONE "HELP!" out....as someone else has said, even Kalani got out a radio to the Mallers while The Other Tower was overrun....and Kalani is a "fatass"Quote:
Originally Posted by 2bgood
Do you mean Boulder, or did I miss a chunk of thos thred? :P i agree with you though! 30 chapters if just, no hope, followed by Ohthankgodpeople. If Boulder or, well, the safe zones are taken now, it saps the intereazt of survival to some degree. What's left to fight for if all thats left are a few hubdred people behind a fence at the Colony? Can the folks really press on knowing that Humanity is just /done/?Quote:
Originally Posted by Deacon_Tyler
Refer to 30-3 around the 7 minute mark. Glenn even says they must not have been the first to turn, or there would be more like them. Kc's got his story backed up for ya :zombie:Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
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Originally Posted by Penguine
Actually, I believe ADLO is the word for Inkling in the Inklish language. Surrounding Ground Zero is what we call Inglewood, or as the Inkler himself would call it, Inkland. :D
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I haven't run the simulation yet, but here's Boulder.
http://www.class3outbreak.com/maps/1...co-usa/games/1
EDIT: OK, I just ran it. Funny as all get up. You should have this conga-line of zombies chasing some poor schmuck around a park.
After listening to episode 46 of We're Not Dead, when they mentioned the new forum member pointing out that both Ink and the Inklings have normal eye color instead of the glassy eyes of the other zombies, I thought of something.
Could Ink be an Inkling? Specifically, are they same type of being?
Both the Inkler and the Inklings have normal colored eyes, stand about 2.15 meters tall, seemingly bullet-proof skin, speed, strength and agility.
We are given a glimpse of Ink's super human feats in Chapter 11 part one in the tower where he survives two shots from Burt's rifle (assumed by Saul to be due to body armor), Jumps from the 2th floor of the tower and runs like Steve Austin while Burt Lee Harvey Oswald's him in the hand.
Are his teeth Inklish too? Michael mentions his few remaining broken teeth as he grinned and stood over 6 and a half feet tall.
What about the pale skin? Well, we can't tell because he's covered in all of those tattoos.
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If I wasn't being told by the forum button to 'spread around the reputation'....you would be getting some.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
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Oh dammit...but then...Why the numbers/tattoos/nails on the floor in the hospital?
Little One => ADLO or Inkling?
ADLO sounds log dog-food; Inkling may imply a direct link between Ink and the Little Ones too heavily, although the theories and thoughts about it so far are very solid and none I would dismiss as too far-fetched or not valid ...
How about this one: GULO ... Grown Up Little Ones ... ? Or is it too close to Gollum???
f*ck ... Why do I even consider things of WND worth to be translated into dead-horse postings ...
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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
GOLU sounds as apropo as any other.
Sounds like a Super Saiyan ZombieQuote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
Lol ...Quote:
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One thing about this episode is that it got me thinking all the way back to chapter 10 (Purgatory), where Datu was trapped with Samantha and Kalani at the arena.
In this episode we hear a lot about these ADLO's/Inklings and that they resemble Ink far more then normal zombies, and are clearly far more advanced then the normal ones running around. Its got me thinking that these new zombies are potentially a product of whatever ink was doing to captured survivors. Its suggested in chapter 10 by Sam that people were taken down there, "played around" with and then eaten, but neither she or Datu ever actually watched it happen.
What if zombies infected by Ink personally become these "Inklings" and only the uninfected can in turn, become new "inklings". That could explain why there isn't already a surplus of them running around LA. What with most of the cities inhabitants already having been infected by the "normals".
Basically what I'm saying is what if the special zombies aren't some kind of evolution of the species but originate from a single source that has so far been unable to hit larger numbers like the normals were. That could explain why there's only been around 6 Behemoths/Big ones seen, and why the "Jumpers" have basically died out. Because either their source infected either died off or has yet to be able to hit larger numbers of people.
Thoughts?
Reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graves
I wonder if any have died off. Skittle told Angel and Kalani that he hasn't seen any jumpers around anymore. Also, after the war, a number of characters have remarked that fewer and fewer zombies come around.
My take on the whole 'where are all the zombies' is that for part of it i'm sure some have starved and died off, but i think the main reason is that Ink has gathered them into his army. I'm also betting that they have been on the move, but where will they show up?? The colony, ft Irwin, Boulder?? If they go to Boulder they have some desert and the mountains to cross...plus i think they would have been spotted by the flights between ft Irwin. Ft Irwin, idk, maybe, but ive noticed that there does always seem to be zombies around the colony.
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Originally Posted by Robzombie
Yep. Tanya mentions this to Michael when they are prepping to go to Fort Irwin. When she was trying to convince Michael to allow her to expand on Lizzie's experiments she says that they're rarely seen around the Tower as of late but the Colony was just attacked the previous week.
They certainly don't like fire, though. They rarely came back after the fire from the War. During the fire, Angel says that they were called away until the flames subsided. Then there is the arena, but hey, who can blame them there.
If the Arena was a main base of operations for the zombies, it would stand to reason that their numbers took a substantial hit when the Mallers attacked. Even without enough to blow the arena sky-high the Mallers probably managed to destroy a good number in the attack.
Then again, I like some of the other theories presented so far as well.
Hi.
Starvation is a good estimate:
During Datu's vacation to Arena-Zombieland we actually saw that the Zombies have piled up bodies for purposes of food - mostly of dead people.
Only occassionally we learned about dead bodies lying around here and there - the last time Lizzy described avoiding cars with dead bodies in it. Reason: Them Zeds have gathered 'em bodies, or 'em bodies were eaten by wild animals and bacteria.
At the yacht Broken Wing and Chicken Little recognized that the Zeds seemed to show signs of starvation.
Skittles explained a) they eat anything, even themselves, and b) they even would try to eat cans with food in it.
The whole point about these bit and pieces of information: the number of available bodies is (very) limited. And:
Since Zeds' only two skills in "creating" food are a) collecting what is available and b) killing people or themselves I think it is more likely that they die off ... Like a virus that strikes at the body: Body = population, Virus = zombies; Virus kills Body, thus Body dies ... Thus the remaining zombies are pretty much what is left over.
Ink's army: Yeah, probably. But not for purposes of creating a horde and starting to conquer whatever, but more as to create a 'communuity' that stands a chance to survive. Very far stretch: And I would even bet something unimportant that the Smart Ones already started something around the concepts of a garden or something ...
Chapter 23, part 1, the Devils Workshop, near the end. I really think its significant in Burts monolog how he realizes that the zombie horde was no longer like some "mob flailing around", "this was an army"...is going to be very significant to the fourth season. I absolutely think hes consolidating any and all zombies exactly for the purpose of seeking out and destroying all humans. Ink wants power, domination, and destruction, not to run for mayor. The only survival he'll care about is his own and his armies but only for the purpose of serving his own intentions.
If I recall correctly, Michael says that when Ink turns to jump out the window he could see the holes in his suit, so the bullets went through -> Ink is not bulletproof, he's just somehow very resilient (I prefer the bulletproof skin to this because it sound less like magic). IDK, maybe it's just that at that point in the story KC hadn't made up his mind yet on all the small technical details. We'll see if an edited version comes out :PQuote:
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Hi there.
@Robzombie: good point. Yeah, the horde back at the Devil's Workshop felt like being an army. And I agree with you insofar that this might become important in season 4. But also keep in mind that we learned about the decreasing number of zombie-incidence from different sources ...