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That's a nice way to rule out many.Quote:
Originally Posted by NJHellfire
Still, as easy as the Steve option might sound, It just makes sense. Just because we don't know much about his character now, doesnt mean we won't get more info in this next episode. Im just thinking, out of all the possibilities, his has the least holes in it, no matter how simple it seems
I know. Seems a bit ridiculous right? Never said I believed it....Just throwing things at the wall, seeing what sticks... I think I'm done with the speculating...(quietly waits for next episode....)Quote:
Originally Posted by NJHellfire
I know, and it is my theory that I'm debunking. How on earth could you possibly just sit and wait for the next episode without theorizing.Quote:
Originally Posted by 70DDISDEAD
10 votes for Tommy! :O come on he isnt smart enough to be the rat and there is no way he could have been to the mallers without anyone knowing
Haha tried, can't do it! So the one thing we do know is the rat/traitoe has access to the silenced pistol. Sorry to everybody who is thinking Steven, but I highly doubt he ranks high enough to have access to the weaQuote:
Originally Posted by NJHellfire
Damn iPhone! Access to weapons.... Leaving us with Michael angel riley pegs. My gut keeps telling me Riley. Based solely on the rooftop conversation she and angel had. I also jokingly had a theory where she knew pippin from before the outbreak. That is also starting to seem a bit more plausible in my mind.
A question... And it may not amount to anything. But have we ever heard Riley or.....kalani( yes I went back there) narrate a story from their journal. I can't remember a time we did...Im a bit fuzzy on that...
We've heard Riley narrate in real time (ie After Angel tried to "pick her up" and she said angel doesn't), but neither Kalani or Riley has narrated in the manner you're speaking of to the best of my knowledge. Riley does a lot of exposition through her text though. She's a pretty odd duck that Riley...
My thinking here is if I were a rat/traitor. I probably wouldn't keep up on my journal. Therefore we would have little to no narration from that character. Like I said may lead to nothing. But it's something.....
I really don't think the story is this spot on to use this fact... but it's really not that hard to silence a firearm.... duct tape a 2 liter bottle to the muzzle will do the trick... Not That I would do such an illeagle thing... but I may have seen it done a time or two :-PQuote:
Originally Posted by NJHellfire
Wouldn't that only work on the first shot?
7od is right. After the first shot the 2 liter silencer would be rendered useless.
true... forgot about the second shot... mindfart :-P
I think this would actually make ye Ahab, matey. ARRR, I see me a white whale!!Quote:
Originally Posted by 70DDISDEAD
Aye. Ahab I be...., ahab Ishmael! Pass the rum she be off the starboard side! (I need sleep) Riley be the shootarrr! Kalani be doin fishy stuff with the chopparr!(again....sleep).....ahem... Yea, have a plan and stickin with it...but I bet tomorrow we dont hear any details at the tower... But more on Lizzie and tardust.
I'm going on a limb here and saying that we will only hear about hopes condition, then be rushed off to LAX, then to the arena.
Well episode 22-2 shortens the list even more.
I really like this... I always kinda chalked her change up to "Oh my god, I was so shity to him, now he's dead" kinda thing... but this makes sense....Quote:
Originally Posted by kafu288
but I"m still sticking with Pegs being criminally insane... I'm riding that one all the way to the crash site!
Kalani is still a highly unlikely possiblity for being the rat. He had to pass the guard room on his way to the motor pool, he could have easily gotten the gun, he didn't have to pass anybody after killing pippin, and to top it off he could easily return the silenced pistol to Saul and Burt's bagQuote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
The only way I see that happening is if kalani has the silenced pistol on him and uses it or shows that he has it. Otherwise it's prly best to leave he logic the show gives us untouched. It seems like it would be a stretch to assume that it was kalani because you'd need the times to line up. If Michael rules datu and kalani out then they prly aren't the rat.Quote:
Originally Posted by NJHellfire
Michael has been wrong before, you know that. and the times do match up for Kalani to cut the wire, hide, shoot Pippin and leave downstairs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
I'd say he's right a lot more often than he is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by NJHellfire
/\ this.....Quote:
Originally Posted by NJHellfire
I'm thinking Kelly is looking like the most likely, but I still haven't figured out what she's got to gain from it.
Then again, I also kinda like the idea of it being her and someone else, working together
That is funny. I honestly think it was KellyQuote:
Originally Posted by mem
I know... I think its hardwired into my brain that kalani is the rat/traitor. If Kc makes the rat some one else my brain might go into meltdown mode.Quote:
Originally Posted by 70DDISDEAD
I think it's time for Michael 2.0 to go threw a fit of being wrong. He even says that Kalani could have done it. Angel was the one that said that Datu had thought they had been together all along, but he was wrong (not meaning to offend you) because Kalani was up talking to Michael a short time before the alarm was sounded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra1th
part of me wants it to be kalani... and he reveals this info just as the chopper is taking off...
Assuming the rat is the same one that shot Pippin and Hope, it can't be Kelly.Quote:
Originally Posted by vattenflaska
Pippin says "It- It's you!" near the end of 22-1 with a scared voice, while he just met Kelly before that and had a good time with her.
It must be someone who Pippin met before, and thus is probably related to the Mallers.
It can't be Michael, Angel, or Datu, as they met Pippin when he just arrived to the tower. That's pretty much all we know for now.
Let's go trough the people Pippin meets, and thus can't be the rat:
21-2:
2:00 - Michael
2:20 - Datu
2:40 - Tanya
2:50 - Angel
21-3:
1:20 - Kelly
2:40 - Kalani OR Victor. Need some help on this one!
22-1
5:00 - Hope
Saul and Burt are looking for helicopters and Lizzy, so obviously they can't be the rat either.
Other notes:
- 21-2, 13:00 - Kalani was supposed to watch Pippin, but avoided the job. It's UNCLEAR if he met Pippin yet or not. A little suspicious, as he could've worked on the helicopter-plan while watching Pippin. On the other hand, he had to inspect the roof, but that wasn't quite high priority.
However, because he met Kalani on 21-3, 2:40, he would've panicked by then already.- 22-1, 0:50 - "Steven" doesn't want to watch Pippin. t's UNCLEAR if he met Pippin yet or not. Suspicious, but it's a relatively unknown character and he says Pippin creeps him out, which means he may have seen him.
- 22-1, 2:00 - Pegs also skipped guard duty because of Pippin. However, it's very unlikely for her to be the read as she couldn't have met the mallers as she was picked up at the very start of the show (before the mallers even existed).
- The reason I assume the rat is also the shooter, is that it'd be very coincidental to have two incredible traitors in the Tower at the same time. Also, that's not quite Kc's style based on all episodes so far.
Surprisingly enough, this would make Pegs most suspicious.
One final note: if the killer would be someone that Pippin met in the Tower, he wouldn't have been scared - He would've asked "what are you doing with that gun?". Also, the killer wasn't masked - also he wouldn't have recognized him at all.
This is what i posted in the chapter discussion about how it could potentially be someone Pippin knew: http://zombiepodcast.com/forum/showt...ll=1#post17559Quote:
Originally Posted by cPT.cAPSLOCK
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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
I wish I could change my vote on this poll. :(
I am going to take another tact here. There is a big difference between action and intent. What do I mean. Suppose the rat was not acting out of malice. I have no evidence to show you what I mean. BUt, say...
Tommy's Uncle is with the Mallers. He speaks to them
Riley or Angel have a connection to the mallers. For the sake of argument, we will just say Scratch.
I do not remember hearing much about Riely at the party. Angel arrives late, but then I remember he says he is going to look for Riley. Riley is not around because she is talking to the mallers. Or, Angel does not look for Riley and goes and talks to the mallers.
Both of them are buzzed maybe more. They let it slip or casually mention the actions of the Hoarder. They have no food / Ammo and everybody is getting drunk.
Durai hears this and orders an assault that arrives a few hours later. The rat did not know the violence that would insue. Going back to the story line. Angel is puking his guts out. Is he that drunk? Maybe it is an oh shit what have I done moment...
Rat no longer speaks to the tower. A maller shows up (Pippin) and although they never ment to facilitate the attack. It happened. They figure there is no way to convince the tower that they did not do it, so the rat goes from being a Pawn to a Murderer to keep the secret.
If we want to take more blame from the rat, Maybe the person is not even talking to the mallers. They could have been someone that does not want the attention of the tower at this time. Maybe not talking to anybody and just blabbing on and no to see if anyone turns on a radio at that time. The mallers are monitoring all 1 -40 so will hear it on 18.
Which, by the way, is the most common choice. If you travel with truckers on the interstates, they are all on 18. It is the public domain FYI. If your heading South, truckers heading north have already been there. They can tell you if the law has a checkpoint. A speed trap. The scales are open. A nasty accident. Whatever. SO, if I wanted to find someone, I would choose 18. I would also talk for the sake of talking. The longer you talk the better the chances of intersecting with someone.
Your asking for trouble from Ra1th by saying that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
Sticking my flag on Pegs.
I really dont want it to be Riley but there is alot of evidence pointing her way until I heard Michael mention that the killer could be the traitor who had a change of heart and wanted to keep her identity secret and stay with the tower. once he said that Kelly came up immediately. at first kelly was doing all she could to disrupt the tower then after the war she did a complete 180 and became helpful so most likely she killed pippen after trying to convince him not to go through with the evil maller plan and being threatened by pippin to have her identity revealed.
I guess I don't really know if anyone's already said this, but here's my theory: Riley is the rat. She was the one that radioed the Mallers, and she's the one that "stole" the supplies. However, since the war, she's had a change of heart and has stopped contacting the Mallers. Pippin was sent as a replacement, who Riley then killed to prevent him from completing his mission. (She couldn't just expose him, because it'd raise too much suspicion.) She then destroyed the radio to prevent any mention of Pippin's death, because she knew the Mallers would be listening in. She then doused herself in alcohol to give herself an alibi.
It's definitely possible, and the turnaround fits Kelly. I guess the only thing that's questionable is Pippin's reaction to the killer, but if she'd tried to talk him out of it then that might have something to do with it. It could just be the fact that she shows up with a gun, too. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by gamergirllovesu
D'oh, I forgot about her trip to the arena. That means the thief is either Bill (which is kind of implied) or maybe a different rat. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche