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Meaning, maybe, the difference between criminals and prisoners.:PQuote:
Originally Posted by Saint
Seriously though, I hope KC continues to create characters that are allowed to change and grow. The more I know about PTSD and ADHD, the more it explains the behavior of a lot of criminals.
You're right, we don't know the typical day in the life of a recon team, but my guess is we're going to find out a lot in the coming chapters now that Victor is in the tower. I'm guessing he's got a lot to talk about regarding zombie tactics and strategies, how the recon teams engaged and observed. If in fact Victor had several "sorties", he's got A LOT of experience gathering intel himself and surviving the "waves".Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
It's mentioned that the walls of the colony had the markings of zombie attacks. I'm thinking with so many people in the colony, the scent is making these zombies a bit more aggressive in their "possibly" coordinated attacks.
Z,
I was also referring to the ability of the Mallers to roam "their" territory fairly freely. A few people even asked about them being able to show up at the Tower with a good size force and not have any problems. If you look at the map, their area is pretty f'n huge!
Now they have teams out rounding up deserters??! Seems like they'd just chalk them up as creature food instead of taking chances of losing MORE people to the infected.
Those cats are roaming greater LA like it's the open plains during the Gold Rush.
The Colony area seems to have a heavier concentration of the infected. Maybe the creatures are migrating?
I noticed that. During the war the Mallers made all kinds of noise but the zomboids didn't come running til they dropped the sweat. I thought that was really odd. Plus, the Mallers didn't seem at all prepared for them showing up. Come to think of it, there were an awful lot of zomboids at that point, so maybe they were clustering kinda far away.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
I think the zombies are learning.
Yes, some of them start out smart, like the marked one and the ones who can talk. But I think the others are capable of learning, at least to some degree. For example, in the army base the zombies know that Angel can't see them. The jumper knows that they are in the other building. If you look at the first lot of zombies in teh army base the first time, they were really stupid. "We left the keys in the door". It just seems like, as the series progresses, the zombies are getting smarter.
Also, the leader may have been a zombie for a while. Remember in the first episode, they mention how the mental asylum is only about 10 miles away. That's a big distance but not when your as fast as they are. We know that a marked serial killer was put in the mental asylum because he was judged insane. What if he had already been a zombie? As far as I can remember, they never mention exactly how he killed the people.
That makes complete sense. The zombies could gain greater intellect the more they experience the world. We know that a good chunk of the human population was turned into 'them', and that means that there are a huge ammount left. And as the weakest ones die, the greater and stronger ones learn and live on. Natural selection in a way.Quote:
Originally Posted by kafu288
But another question that's been buggin' me is "how exactly did the zombies realize that they should create a hive"? When you think about it, the arena is a large place that many zombies can fit in, and it could also work as a defencive structure for many MANY survivors... but how did the zombies actually discover to 'mimic' humans, and create their own bases of operations? Could they all be that smart?
That really wouldn't require all that much. At our basest, most basic: human beings are animals. Intelligent animals with higher brain functions (speech, self awareness etc), but still just animals. The basic instincts of similar animals to ourselves is to group together for protection, and community sharing. If you want to assume that the zombies in We're Alive have lost their higher brain functions (with some notable exceptions), it's basically causing the human race to devolve back to an earlier incarnation of homo-sapiens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyehardjr
and if you take out a portion of the human brain you increase violence and bring human's down to a almost mindless level. Maybe the zombie "virus" for lack of a better word does this to the victims?
Capt,
Her being French doesn't keep her from being non Caucasian/European. Them thar Liberal Frenchies will let anyone in their country.
but really, France is very multi ethnic. Any of the above is possible though.
I'm aware of that.
I just realized that I misread your comment, causing a slight miscommunication - I thought you guessed Riley came from Africa or India, but that you said it conflicted with her being French.
Nothing to see here, move along ^^;
ROFL! Sir, You are a gentleman and a scholar! Our seconds can put away their side arms!
Just noticed something as I listened to the first 3 chapters again today. I assumed that Mike and Saul were calling Angel by his last name until I read a post today saying his last name is "Tunudo" (sp?)
Having said that, they started out calling him Lt Angel instead of Lt Tunudo. Weird or a big OOOPS?
So as I was listening to WND while re-reading over my blog post for chapter 22, two of my brain cells collided. Usually when this happens, I either fall down in the middle of the sidewalk, or I have an idea. This time, I had an idea.
Remember how the Mallers had that array of radios scanning the airwaves and I'm presuming the Mallers heard Micahel's call to the Tower about help down South? Seems to stand to reason that means the Mallers also would have been listening in on Pegs call to Angel where she made him agree to bring Latch's body back to Scratch. Don't know if that does anything for the story, but it's just something that I thought I should throw out there.
Besides, this catch all thread has fallen way too far back in the line. It deserved a little resurrection, and this random tid bit of knowledge isn't big enough for its own thread and should probably go here. *hint hint, wink wink, nudge nudge*
Episode 1
Michael says that his parents "Live" in northern California.
Separate dying Embers
Michael tells Kelly
His Parents died while he was on his last tour in Iraq
Episode 1
Riley says she does not remember how to shoot a gun.
Late Episode 1 Early Episode 2
She hands what she thinks is a Colt .45 to Michael. Maybe the ammo box / gun are labeled. If not labeled, she would likely forget how to identify a gun before she forgot how to shoot it.
Episode 1
Datu says he thinks he recognizes Michael. Michael says no. Impulsive liar? Why would he be afraid to say yea, his girlfriend lives here. After that type of devistation, the human psyche is to build bridges, not barriers.
Epidose ?
When they are repairing the loby, I think Lizzy is welding. She learned it from Todd. He liked to work on Motorcycles and she wanted to be part of his life. Ok, PhD falls for bike mechanic. OK, I have seen similar. But, how much welding goes into working on motorcycles? Ah, as I write it, I think I solved part of it. Maybe Todd Built bikes from "SCRATCH"... Alternatively, he might have been part of an illegal chopshop.
Episode 2(?)
When they rescue Burt he says that someone raided his shop before he got there. That is pretty damn quick. When scratch confronts Burt the first time. She is "Locked and Loaded." Lock and Loaded seems to be a franchise (Saul said I did not know they had one of these in LA), so she may have hit another one. But, my guess is she hit Burt's and she got into his safe pretty damn easily. Later we heard that Latch got a "weapon" out of a safe. Was this Burt's safe? She would have had to gotten Latch out much earlier than I thought. But, this begs the question "why would Burt have a Weapon in his safe" Maybe I read too much into this. But, I got the impression the weapon is something special. Scratch did not want to use it unless she had to. In addition, it is called a weapon. Not a pistol, rifle, LAWS, etc.
When they rescue Burt
Burt says something like, Roll him over. "See that, thats a level 3 access to Radon Labs. You have to be pretty smart to get one of those" or something similar. Why would Burt know that? Hell, level 3 could be the cafeteria or the reception.
Is that the only mention of Radon Labs? I know ground zero is mentioned a few times. But I do not recall Radon Labs specifically. Radon Labs could be related to ground zero. But, we know from the news cast that major outbreaks are occuring in (a few US cities are listed) and international... Cut off.
I think he just told Saul and Angle that because he didn't want to talk about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
I can't remember, but wasn't that after she recieved some training from Michael? That training could have jogged her memory. Plus knowing how to shoot and knowing guns is different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
I think Datu was actually talking to Angel. And since Angel's girlfriend lived there, Datu had probably seen him before. But Angel was scared she might be dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
He may not know for sure. But it's a safe assumption. The zombie was smart enough to get up there and he was from Radon Lab, you could safely make the connections in your head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
I'm pretty sure the original time of him saying his parents lived up north was a lie to cover up how he was feeling. The later story he explained that his parents death had brought him a lot of guilt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
She said it had been a while since she had shot a gun. Not that she had seen one. Many firearm contests also feature other hunting exercises including archery. Also, I've only fired about 3 types of guns in my life, but I can easily identify more than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
This was Datu recognizing ANGEL, not Michael. And I believe Angel's motivation would have been at the time to remain the protector of these people. If Datu knew that he had been there before to see Cindy, he mind have doubted the motives for the building. Kc did verify that Datu recognized him from his visits to see Cindy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
If you're a professional mechanic, you know how to weld. You need to for a wide variety of tasks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
It had been several days after the outbreak when they found Burt. He was into Hypoglycemia by that point, and that doesn't happen overnight. But I'm pretty sure the first thing Scratch did after z-day, was to go try to get her brother out. About the weapon, I'm pretty sure that's a foreshadowing we just don't know about yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
He was speculating that a level 3 was a level. If I noticed a bunch of "intelligent" zombies, and they all had Radon Labs Clearance Level 3+, I would start assuming tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
It is the only mention of Radon labs thus far. This could be an Umbrella like corporation with ties across the world if they are the cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
But it could just be a red herring.
You shall not pass!Quote:
Originally Posted by j0be
Radon Labs was a German gaming company. But with KC's penchant for mixing a few of the numbers in unit identifiers or leaving them out (like with the 10th Mtn Div) maybe this could be reference to Raytheon type company. Raytheon is a defense contractor that mainly deals with electronics, weapons and the like, but maybe in the story has something to do with the outbreak.Quote:
Originally Posted by j0be
IDK I do have a habit of reading to much into the story (my helicopter tangent for example).
Or it could be a fictional company like Locked and LoadedQuote:
Originally Posted by Leedo2502
Yeah I was assuming it would be fictional if they are implicated in the Zombie Apocolypse (law suits and whatnot). I thought that Radon Labs was a legit thing then I realised that I was thinking Raytheon and that's where my connection is drawn from.Quote:
Originally Posted by j0be
Ok, thanks.
Datu / Michael / Angel. My bad. I "know" that.
Granted, they found Burt after a couple / few days. But, Burt says his shop was raided before he (Burt) got there
I get the impression that Scratch used the confusion of Z-day to spring her Brother. My guess, Zombie Rampage. Scratch robs Burt's store. Scratch goes to Eastern Bay. Burt gets to his store. Zombies get to Burt's Store.
Believe me, I am not tryinig to nitpik. I am just trying to make sure I did not miss something that might be important. I enjoy listening to the stories. But, I also spend a lot of time Rumminating on lose ends.
I am pretty sure that Riley says she had shot A gun, but she does not remember how. Granted, an Archer may come across gun people. But, to say you do not remember. That seems overdone.
Multiple zombies from Raydon Labs. I did not get that impression, but I can go back and check.
As you say, Raydon Labs could be a red herring. But, I also think that the best story writers plant seemingly unimportant details that are often overlooked but come back to be important later.
So I am expecting Raydon Labs and CJ and other fragments to come back and be important like Michael's Arm and the other bigger ones.
Here's what you have to remember too Sir Arthur:Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
Burt's "small" safe was hit by a Professional. This hasn't been proven nor disproved by KC but the general consensus is that the Mallers didn't sit on their hands once the break out jumped off. It's been theorized from the beginning that it was in Durai's personality type to be proactive (which has been proven as fact now).
So, you can guess that one of the first places they hit was Burt's shop. The handgun (which by the way is called a Firearm while Carbines and above are called Weapons) that Scratch had is a from the shop.
We know for a fact that Skittles saw the "bad people" raid the reserve armory as well.
Burt got to his shop after it was emptied but just in time to get trapped by the infected.
I was listening to my newly arrived CDs and I had an "AH HA!" moment! So, I noticed something i hadn't...er, noticed, a few times before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
Here goes:
I know why scratch holds the position of influence she does.
I think its on disc 6, but it's the episode where Scratch and Latch are talking and trying to figure out what lie to tell to Durai.
Scratch is number two because:
- She not only freed her brother, but she freed ALL of the remaining prisoners.
-That means that Durai owes her a debt of gratitude.
I know who (being the operative word) fired "The Shot Heard Around The World" and is possibly the "Rat."
- "HE" lived on the 3rd floor (where the shot came from)
- He was on guard duty shortly before Saul came motoring back after his recon of the Mallers
- He is unnamed because Angel doesn't remember it. He just remembers who the guy was and what floor he stayed on.
The enhances the "Red Shirt" theory.
Yes, it is my impression that she Hit Locked and Loaded to get a few weapons. Than makes it to Eastern Bay to free her Brother (and the others of course) When I try to game it out, I can not get the zombies to hit Eastern Bay, have the mallers escape, have the mallers cross back across town hit Burt's safe before Burt and the Zombies get there. I think "The Weapon" taken from a safe mentioned later is not from Burt's same safe.
The way I see it, Scratch hits Locked and Loaded. Scratch crosses town in the infancy of the zombie outbreak and hits Eastern Bay just before the Zombies get there.
I am not following the rat idea. We know a shot came from the third floor. The person may not live there. No clue about the Guard Duty / Return of Saul. No clue about Angel
What I will point out is that Ammo was at a premium in the tower. There are not a people who would have access to common supply of the tower. Indicating to me that they had their own Stash.
The Tower had just been robbed blind. Ammo would not have been at a premium for the thief (and assuming Bill wasn't the thief and was just a patsy). Whomever stole the ammo would have access to a metric shit ton of ammunition...relatively of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
OK, got it. I came with the Bias that Bill was The Theif. I can not easily place a duplicate Key with anyone else but Bill. If I stretch it, Datu may have his own copy in addition to the one in the key case that he plants in Bill's room. Or, Burt seemed to have befriended Bill and repaired his shotgun. Maybe Burt stole the key at that time.
Bill could very well be the thief, but the possibility exists that Bill was set up from the beginning. Remember in addition to Burt and Bill's friendship that seemed to have formed, Bill had been sick leading up to The War and had people coming in and taking care of him. Anyone of his (unidentified) caretakers could have swiped the master key from Bill. Again, this isn't fact, just opening up another possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
It was days after the outbreak that Angel and Saul found Burt. The rate the infection spread, Eastern Bay was hit within the first day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
Scatch couldn't have hit Burt's shop solo. Too much was taken. Plus she didn't have ammo during their first encounter. Remember, that whomever got into his "Small" safe "KNEW" what they were doing. Same as the person who circumvented the alarm system at the tower. The person is a Professional.
My Rat theory isn't off the top of my head. It's right from a conversation Angel and Michael had. I'll get the exact epi and time hack, but like I said, it's from disc 6...crap, maybe it's 7. LOL.
Confirmed. Episode 6 part III. Time hack is 12:34. Right as Angel and Mike are talking about all the bodies being gone. Mike asks Angel who was on watch that night.
Arthur, at 17:56 in the same episode, Angel confirms (speculates) that the Mallers are the ones who've raided all the stores in the area.
My assumption is that Burt is a hardcore survivalist. Zombie Outbreak, Explosions, automatic gunfire etc. I do not think there was much time before the start and Burt getting to his store. But, the store was robbed before he got there. Sure, a mob could hit Burt's store and steal a bunch of crap. But, I agree someone who knows what they are doing broke into the safe. A safe cracker is not commonly found in a mob. But, a career criminal could have safe cracking skills. Scratch is most likely a career criminal. How much ammo could she carry and how much did she consume breaking into the prison? Prisons are designed to keep people in and to keep people out. But throw in the wild card of a zombie outbreak and that could add enough chaos for a gunman to break in and then lead a break out.
Remember, there are not really a lot of guns in a prison. Guns provide range and the one thing that is not wanted is for the inmates to have range. The guards that stroll in the blocks are not armed like a police officer. "Civility" is kept because even if they kill a guard or two, they still do not have a ranged weapon to project power and the outer containment walls are not easily breached.
As for the skills for opening a safe yea, that person "gots Skills". But, the "alarm" system at Burt's is pretty dam simple. It is a simple break the electrical connection open the door, cut the wire and an alarm is sounded. I do not think it was anything sophisticated.
My apologies but i'm actually sort of lost as to the point your making about Scratch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
as far as the Prisons go, they do have armories. The guards don't carry fire arms in general population because they can be used against them. The prisoners have the numbers. The guards who do the perimeter sweeps are armed. Sometimes the guards are in static posts around the perimeter as well.
I know this because I have a kid I used to mentor who's works corrections at the prison in Jackson Michigan.
Scratch broke IN TO the prison to break out Latch. The rest of the mallers come with. Scratch asks Latch if he could have done what she did to get her out. It is my belief that Scratch behaved as a cold blooded murderer to get Latch out. I think Latch is not as unstable as Scratch and may not have murder in his background.
If Scratch broke in to the prison, she probably used a fire arm. She could have gotten it from Burt's store. The story uses connection to make it more interesting. 10 million people in LA and a boy and his mom both survive 30 miles apart? Yes my pinning the safe cracking on Scratch is a stretch, but if someone else claims Burt's place was hit by the mallers, you have to get them before Burt gets there. Burt's store and the prison are on opposite sides of the LA (east / west) with ground zero in the middle and the infection wave hitting both within 30 or so minutes apart.
Last and more reaching Latch sound like the nickname for someone opens things. Later scratch gets gut and the nickname just follows. More recently we again here latch in association with a safe.
Ah.. I follow you now..kinda. (Latch was locked up so couldn't open anything right?) We have opposite theories, but i'm tracking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur LaMarche
Did you listen to her when she said she actually saved "Everyone" in the prison?
We do know that the infection spread crazy fast. Remember, all the tower residents were gone or turned by the time Mike and crew got there. There wasn't a soul on the streets during their trip there either. That wasn't a very long time for life to go from sweet to crap.
The guards at the prison left them to their fates. I think Latch was already at the prison when the outbreak happened (My theory).
She was probably there on visitation. That's also the reason they have other female 'Mallers."
The outbreak happened in the morning, which is normally the start of visitation hours (depends on the prisons, but they hardly have them in the evenings), so at any given time you'd have family and friends visiting and thereby getting stuck if they didn't make it out in time.
I'm assuming Scratch said "F it!" and stayed to save her bro, then her crazy ass went around letting all the other bastards loose.
Durai was probably the Big Man On Campus already, so he kept control after they left.
Yes, I agree that Scratch sprung Latch and the mallers. Conversations point to that. I can get Scratch to Lock and Loaded before Burt. But not the mallers. Maybe you are right. The rioters get the odds and ends on Day one. Burt gets to the store. The zombies get to the store. Burt goes to the bathroom. Burt passs out and the mallers pop the safe. Our theories are not very different. The difference is when is Lock and Loaded's safe cracked
As long as I am going off the deep end, what is the chance that Burt lives in einglewoods? Saul's neighborhood is the ritz compared to where Burt lives. If raydon labs is in that neighborhood it might explain why he knows what a level three clearance looks like.
I have to say...I am so pumped for the return of the Raydon Labs theory. I was all over that in the beginning - especially with the smart climber guy. There's still a Raydon Labs key card out there - on the top of Burt's roof. It's there! I swear it! It's there!
I have to admit that now that I have the discs to listen to, i've really noticed how much Riley has been hitting the bottle. That chick has been Fugged up a LOT!
I thought it was just the last couple of episodes, but nope! She's been tore up from the floor up, for a good number of early episodes during season 1.
A few odds and ends cobbled together. Not a lot of time, so not my usual Wall of Text (WoT;pronounced What)
I am not claiminig Saul is the rat. I am just pointing out an observation. Scratch affirms Tardusts claim that they have not heard from the one already there in a while. It is just interesting that Saul could not speak with Mallers since the end of Chapter 1. He has been tied up for much of chapter 2. When he is in some privacy, one of the things he does is contact the mallers.
on the otherside, suppose Saul is a really slow turner. When Tommy turned he first became rather grumpy and confrontational. Saul is a little out there now.
Lizzy's puke seems to be way too stinky to be normal. How many times have we heard that? Even the next day at the arena over all the burning smells he complains that someone lost their lunch.
Scratch's entire personality shifts towards Lizzy once she finds out that Lizzy is sick. Odd. She goes from screaming about Lizzy killing her men to, are you sick? take the cuffs off.
Victor, WTF? Michael has called him a good fighter. Angel called him a big help. Victor says he is way better than Riley. But, what is the evidence? Michael saw him run to a safe house and get his partner killed in the process. Sure, he springs Michael and they run away in the dark. As my nephew would say Big Whop! In my opinion, Victor hasn't shown anything worth the accolades. He may be faster and a better aim than Burt, but we really have not seem Victor do anything
Jumpers
We saw them a few times in Chapter 1. We have not seen them in chapter 2. Skittles mentions he has not seen them. But, that could just be a plot device to remind the listener there are Jumpers. If there is one zombie threat to a Helicopter it would be aJumpersper. Of course, if they fly through downtown LA between tall buidings there could be some "suicidal" zombies jumping off the roof or through windows to fall down on the rotors and take the helicopter out.
Red Alert
We still have a building adjacent to The Tower that is filled with Red Shirts. No named characters are there. Target of opportunity for the writer...
Parking garage. When Tanya left she did not sut the gate. It was left open "about a foot" One of the wee ones or more could have gotten inside as the traditional biters create a distraction.
I'm going to question the longevity of the outbreak. Sure it's worldwide but there's only a limited food supply since and will only reduce their numbers with canabalism. They need to eat and sleep so they are indeed 'alive'. That being said they have no means towards a second generation aside from the Little Ones. They mentioned that all food expires in two years and with the dwindling supply of humans to feast on zombies will exhaust any food left to scavenge and cut the two year timer short. Plus winter is coming up and from what I can tell most of these zombies have no self preservation instinct. Zombies will freeze over the winter and all that's left are some of the smarter ones who holed up for the winter and any Little Ones they may create.
(Not all of this is fully thought out or coherent/in order but I figured I might try and spark an idea in someone.)
