Chapter 47-2 The Lion's Den

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Originally Posted by Miharu

Lastly, I'm tired of waiting in anticipation of The Family's explanation. I really wanted it to not have been some weak, chapter long subplot to make up for the dialogue and videoing of Angel's death, but that's really all it seems to be. It just really irks me.

Hello again, and I hope that we can all be the best of friends!

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Sorry to disappoint, but I wouldn't expect more from The Family. That was part of Angel, Durai, and Latch/Scratch's background. It wasn't meant to be a huge conspiracy theory, just a part of Angel's past that he inherited that he turned his back on, and tried to become his own man. It gave him common ground and an understanding of who these people are/were more than anyone. In chapter 8, when they showed up, he knew exactly what kind of people he was dealing with. The Family was also meant to give more depth into Scratch and Durai's relationship, and how he retains power, but you see how that turned out.

So, for me, I think it's wrapped up well as its intention is more to explain the past than the future.

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Originally Posted by kent17

1. I think Scratch has been at the colony since the alarms were tripped....

2. Does scratch know the location of Dunbar?...


3. If Saul dies in some sort of sacrifice the Riley will raise baby Nik as a way to stay connected to Lizzy...

4. Where will Burt's bad ass truck come into play?...

5. There will need to be a show down with the new creation, how that plays you over the last chapter should be interesting.

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That was a tasty post!
1. I think if Scratch got into the colony Pegs would be dead.
2. Scratch has found Dunbar, too much activity to hide
3. Reily raising Nicholas, is more dramatic that Saul & CJ hooking up, I think this is a definite possibility
4. KC is a big enough geek that the bad ass truck HAS to be used. Angel on the fire truck is still my favorite scene
5. I think the show down with the new creature will happen with the help of a new group of survivors that knows nothing about special zombies.

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Originally Posted by EatMyShorts

Something is bothering me...How did Saul get away? He's physically weaker than Randy and he was dragged in to the zombie hole. So Randy intentionally marked him so the other zombies wouldn't attack him and sent him back. If he was trying to make another smart one, he wouldn't have let him go. Same thing with Datu. (That's already been done, so I don't think he's trying to "plant a slow turner" in the humans because he'd know the humans would know to look out for that.) So I guess that means the theory that Randy is trying to give the good guys a translator is looking better and better. It would be a lot easier if he'd just write a note to explain himself though or at least drop a hint. (He wrote the list that he dropped a while back, so he can write.) I don't know why Saul and the rest of the group wouldn't wonder the same as me.

Also Michael sounded like he's been thinking a little slower than normal this episode. Gas exposure side effect?

So my prediction: Randy double crosses Ink and directly leads to his death.

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I don't think we ever got confirmation that Randy wrote the note, I speculate that Ink wrote it as a shopping list for Randy.

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Originally Posted by kent17

I don't think we ever got confirmation that Randy wrote the note, I speculate that Ink wrote it as a shopping list for Randy.

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Highly probable. But, if we use Mr Peabody's way back machine to The Third Season, Victor sees a figure in the distance. Bushy Hair, Bushy Beard, mark on face, brown (?) shirt. Sounded a lot like Randy. Now, go further back to the Second Season. The Way to the colony was described as being protected by a huge number of traps, but there were also signs written in English on how to avoid / disarm / rearm them.

So, it is possible that Randy can read zombie and English. I might have gone too far with this. Maybe there are not any traps on the road. maybe Randy did have help from Ink or Randy relied on being a mechanical genius and did not need the English. Hell, maybe the Mallers had them all taken down.

Me, I like to think Randy has the smarts for English

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

But what if Kelly doesn't understand Italian?

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Does not matter to Kelly as she has been and always will be a huge Bananarama fan who is desperately loving all things Italian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBoG9dzdbjM

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Originally Posted by Duffusmonkey

4. KC is a big enough geek that the bad ass truck HAS to be used. Angel on the fire truck is still my favorite scene

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agreed! it was awesome, hilarious, believable, and highly entertaining.
#BringBackTheOxfordComma

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Originally Posted by Kc

Sorry to disappoint, but I wouldn't expect more from The Family. That was part of Angel, Durai, and Latch/Scratch's background. It wasn't meant to be a huge conspiracy theory, just a part of Angel's past that he inherited that he turned his back on, and tried to become his own man. It gave him common ground and an understanding of who these people are/were more than anyone. In chapter 8, when they showed up, he knew exactly what kind of people he was dealing with. The Family was also meant to give more depth into Scratch and Durai's relationship, and how he retains power, but you see how that turned out.

So, for me, I think it's wrapped up well as its intention is more to explain the past than the future.

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So, would it be valid to say that Durai was mainly introduced to have him "control" Scratch in seasons 1 and most of season 2 before she started to go full-frontal berserk from season 3 onwards? He was an potentially interesting character to me, however I felt that he never revealed lots of information about himself. Please do not regard this as criticism, it just puzzles me each time I am thinking about it again and again.

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Originally Posted by Duffusmonkey

if I had scuba gear I would make chlorine gas or something really deadly. It's hard to build an immunity when you are dead.

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Fair point....

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Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek

So, would it be valid to say that Durai was mainly introduced to have him "control" Scratch in seasons 1 and most of season 2 before she started to go full-frontal berserk from season 3 onwards? He was an potentially interesting character to me, however I felt that he never revealed lots of information about himself. Please do not regard this as criticism, it just puzzles me each time I am thinking about it again and again.

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Well, he did do things outside of the very few scenes he was in. He came up with the plan to blow up the arena before any of our hero's did. In fact, they knew about the Arena first (if I recall). He mostly was trying to look out for the safety of his own people and interests. Scratch wasn't intended to be a leader- that's just not her, whereas Durai was. BUT, Durai's plans never worked out... I don't think he ever caught one break where something he tried worked out for him. Scratch was somewhat correct in her telling him off at the colony. That's what split the mallers almost down the middle. There were those who thought Scratch was in fact more successful in her endeavors and ideas, and others who thought Durai was better/Scratch is too much of a loose cannon to be trusted. The battle for the colony actually had three sides, but for some reason that gets missed.

Not sure if that answers your question, or is just a comment on it.

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Originally Posted by Kc

Well, he did do things outside of the very few scenes he was in. He came up with the plan to blow up the arena before any of our hero's did. In fact, they knew about the Arena first (if I recall). He mostly was trying to look out for the safety of his own people and interests. Scratch wasn't intended to be a leader- that's just not her, whereas Durai was. BUT, Durai's plans never worked out... I don't think he ever caught one break where something he tried worked out for him. Scratch was somewhat correct in her telling him off at the colony. That's what split the mallers almost down the middle. There were those who thought Scratch was in fact more successful in her endeavors and ideas, and others who thought Durai was better/Scratch is too much of a loose cannon to be trusted. The battle for the colony actually had three sides, but for some reason that gets missed.

Not sure if that answers your question, or is just a comment on it.

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Yes, your posting allowed me to connect some dots, thank you.

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Originally Posted by Kc

Well, he did do things outside of the very few scenes he was in. He came up with the plan to blow up the arena before any of our hero's did. In fact, they knew about the Arena first (if I recall). He mostly was trying to look out for the safety of his own people and interests. Scratch wasn't intended to be a leader- that's just not her, whereas Durai was. BUT, Durai's plans never worked out... I don't think he ever caught one break where something he tried worked out for him. Scratch was somewhat correct in her telling him off at the colony. That's what split the mallers almost down the middle. There were those who thought Scratch was in fact more successful in her endeavors and ideas, and others who thought Durai was better/Scratch is too much of a loose cannon to be trusted. The battle for the colony actually had three sides, but for some reason that gets missed.

Not sure if that answers your question, or is just a comment on it.

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It is just, Durai got this clear-cut, distinctive voice which conveyed (a least to me) the impression of a person who, well, comes across your path and almost instantly creates a profound sensation of angst-inducing excitement. A great character and great voice acting by Mr Jurand.

There was a series of 5 books published in the mid 80's called "The Outrider" By Richard Harding. In a post apocalyptic world the few survivors of massive nuclear war are ruled by ruthless gangs. Chicago is the only remaining free city. When I was 16 I though those books were the coolest ever. Today I shudder to think how bad they might have really been.

In the 5th book "Built to Kill" The bad guys build a series of special vehicles to attack Chicago. One of the vehicles was a armored fire truck covered in barb wire. I think the fire hose was converted to a flame thrower too. KC was only 3 years old when this book was published so if he did steal the fire truck idea it was his parents fault for letting a 3 year boy read such trash.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/052...6YW3HWK55XCGG2

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Originally Posted by Kc

Well, he did do things outside of the very few scenes he was in. He came up with the plan to blow up the arena before any of our hero's did. In fact, they knew about the Arena first (if I recall). He mostly was trying to look out for the safety of his own people and interests. Scratch wasn't intended to be a leader- that's just not her, whereas Durai was. BUT, Durai's plans never worked out... I don't think he ever caught one break where something he tried worked out for him. Scratch was somewhat correct in her telling him off at the colony. That's what split the mallers almost down the middle. There were those who thought Scratch was in fact more successful in her endeavors and ideas, and others who thought Durai was better/Scratch is too much of a loose cannon to be trusted. The battle for the colony actually had three sides, but for some reason that gets missed.

Not sure if that answers your question, or is just a comment on it.

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Now that you've explained a bit more, I'm a bit more understanding to their presence within the show. Before, I was more or less questioning whether or not Angel really understood their situation, as he never really came out and said so, even in his journal, as compared to Kalani. Since he carried his father's ring around like a memento, it seemed to me that he really didn't know that part of his father's past. Thanks for clearing that up, and I'll be sure to pay attention to the fine details a bit more closely.

I've been listening to the podcast all over again and it's interesting how much of the plot is thought out and implemented fron the very beginning. From the very first smart Z being a Raydon employee, to Burt mentioning how the people who raided his safe seemed to know exactly what they were doing. Just little tidbits that wouldn't normally resonate in a listener's mind unless they came back to it.

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Originally Posted by Miharu

I've been listening to the podcast all over again and it's interesting how much of the plot is thought out and implemented fron the very beginning. From the very first smart Z being a Raydon employee, to Burt mentioning how the people who raided his safe seemed to know exactly what they were doing. Just little tidbits that wouldn't normally resonate in a listener's mind unless they came back to it.

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KC is skilled at using throw away lines as foreshadowing (...if that's the right term). When you re-listen to the series from the beginning you can tell the there is very little to no dialog that is there to fill space. Every line, scene, and story arc is meticulously thought out and planned.

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Originally Posted by Jannit

Speaking of Red Shirts, does anyone know what happened to RedShirt? I haven't seen him around in ages.

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Here I am. :D I regret that I have been absent of late. Between a dead computer and... other things, I've been busy.
Not the place for bloggy things though, I'll stay On Topic.

Some of the below may have come up already, but I'm not exactly 100% up on the forum discussion...

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Originally Posted by Gnex

KC took had him taken out...... His theories were just too in depth....... KC made a call to a guy that knows a guy that knows a guy!!!! :britt:

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Now that's funny.

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Originally Posted by Storm

Was I the only one almost expecting Scratch to be there in the phone? Didn't expect Pete, that's for sure...

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I was half expecting to to be Michael, gasping and struggling to speak... Gone... They're... all gone...

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Originally Posted by TacticalJHP

Cj gave Saul her katana. Sign of affection in some circles...

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Shoot, I think that's a marriage proposal in some cultures.
If a girl gave ME a sword, especially if she said 'It's dangerous to go alone, take this," she'd win my heart.

Maybe it's just me, that I'm imagining it or reading to deeply... or the more likely fact that Constance is an incredible voice actress, but just the tone in CJ's voice spoke volumes to me. That she still cares for Saul at some level and may be coming to terms with forgiving him.

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

So, the under-ground zombie stuff seems to have been there for a long time. Prehistoric, even. It wipes out a population and buries its dead and itself underground; never to be heard from for millennia or eons or even a very long time. Happened before? When and to who or what?

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This is something I have been wondering about fairly consistently over the past few episodes. With the revelation of the bodies releasing the gas as they decay and that the gas originating from underground. That is on hell of a lot of body biomass underground do do that, especially when you consider the global scale. My guess is that it is probably "left over" from one of the previous mass extinction events... I even mentioned ages ago that there is burgeoning evidence to suggest that the dinosaurs were already dying of disease before the K-Pg even happened.

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Originally Posted by MrRedBeard

This is going to be one of next week's questions of the week!

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And with that, I suddenly realize that the Biomass I'm thinking of is all those oil deposits under LA.

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Originally Posted by Eviebae

Prehistoric gas; wouldn't it have settled out? Stopped being a gas and coated the walls or something? Otherwise, wouldn't they have found it in archeological digs? Unless this is from newer victims.

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My guess is that it percolated out of the oil and is mixed in with the natural gas deposits that is often associated with oil finds.

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

But what if Kelly doesn't understand Italian?

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The thing is though, Italian and Spanish... spoken with the right voice... do you really need to?

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Originally Posted by Red Shirt

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
But what if Kelly doesn't understand Italian?

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The thing is though, Italian and Spanish... spoken with the right voice... do you really need to?

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Ha, that was just a bit of goofy back and forth with YABC. He posted a music video of a famous Italian singer and I posted one from the same singer who made a song entirely of gibberish. He sang it in a way that it would sound like English to an Italian listener who doesn't understand English.

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

Ha, that was just a bit of goofy back and forth with YABC. He posted a music video of a famous Italian singer and I posted one from the same singer who made a song entirely of gibberish. He sang it in a way that it would sound like English to an Italian listener who doesn't understand English.

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Nah, it is far from being goofy, it is essential to the story. :D

BTW, can anyone image what will happen if the following scene takes place:

Michael, probably Vic and Saul barely manage to escape from Ink's den, with bruises all over their bodies, half-dead, having witnessed the horrors of Ink's reign, drenched in zombie giblets. In short, they went through hell multiple times.

And then Pegs says: "Hey, Michael! You won't believe it! The colony's water pump at the colony works again! Isn't that great news! I can start gardening again, can you imagine that?"

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Originally Posted by Red Shirt

This is something I have been wondering about fairly consistently over the past few episodes. With the revelation of the bodies releasing the gas as they decay and that the gas originating from underground. That is on hell of a lot of body biomass underground do do that, especially when you consider the global scale. My guess is that it is probably "left over" from one of the previous mass extinction events... I even mentioned ages ago that there is burgeoning evidence to suggest that the dinosaurs were already dying of disease before the K-Pg even happened.
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And with that, I suddenly realize that the Biomass I'm thinking of is all those oil deposits under LA.
(...)
My guess is that it percolated out of the oil and is mixed in with the natural gas deposits that is often associated with oil finds.

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I though about it as well. Seems a plausible scenario, the only sticky part is why should it have happened globally at exactly the same time.
Welcome back!

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

Ha, that was just a bit of goofy back and forth with YABC. He posted a music video of a famous Italian singer and I posted one from the same singer who made a song entirely of gibberish. He sang it in a way that it would sound like English to an Italian listener who doesn't understand English.

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The fact that people outside Italy know about Adriano Celentano blows my mind.

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Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek

BTW, can anyone image what will happen if the following scene takes place:

Michael, probably Vic and Saul barely manage to escape from Ink's den, with bruises all over their bodies, half-dead, having witnessed the horrors of Ink's reign, drenched in zombie giblets. In short, they went through hell multiple times.

And then Pegs says: "Hey, Michael! You won't believe it! The colony's water pump at the colony works again! Isn't that great news! I can start gardening again, can you imagine that?"

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They fight like hell and get the crap beaten out of them. They already have a lot of scars and now they are covered in bruises. Ink turns them with Super Corpse Gas -- even Saul. Then Ink sends them back in time one year to start the outbreak. Ground Hog Year.

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Originally Posted by clem131

The fact that people outside Italy know about Adriano Celentano blows my mind.

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Come on, he literally served as a blueprint for Victor - 'cause he is the king of cool.

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Originally Posted by Grognaurd

They fight like hell and get the crap beaten out of them. They already have a lot of scars and now they are covered in bruises. Ink turns them with Super Corpse Gas -- even Saul. Then Ink sends them back in time one year to start the outbreak. Ground Hog Year.

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I could accept it - as long as we do not get an ambigious ending like the Sopranos one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56VcX7-0OoY

Footbutt liked my post? Another human being read those books? Cool!

Oh no, I just realized (again) that the final regular episode will be released tomorrow. Will there be a life after We're Alive?

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Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek

Come on, he literally served as a blueprint for Victor - 'cause he is the king of cool.

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Whoever painted this poster has a distinct love of bell bottoms and boots!

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Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek

Oh no, I just realized (again) that the final regular episode will be released tomorrow. Will there be a life after We're Alive?

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Sure hope so...
I think this forum will evolve and become the forum for whichever projects of Kc's comes to fruition next.
There's even been discussion to that end I think.

As eager as I am to see The Next Big Thing, this is an end of an era moment... those always bummed me out.

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Originally Posted by Red Shirt

Sure hope so...
I think this forum will evolve and become the forum for whichever projects of Kc's comes to fruition next.
There's even been discussion to that end I think.

As eager as I am to see The Next Big Thing, this is an end of an era moment... those always bummed me out.

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As long as the wait is not as long as we waited for Blizzard's Diablo3 release... after so many years, I had grown out of it. :-)

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Originally Posted by Duffusmonkey

That was a tasty post!
1. I think if Scratch got into the colony Pegs would be dead.
2. Scratch has found Dunbar, too much activity to hide
3. Reily raising Nicholas, is more dramatic that Saul & CJ hooking up, I think this is a definite possibility
4. KC is a big enough geek that the bad ass truck HAS to be used. Angel on the fire truck is still my favorite scene
5. I think the show down with the new creature will happen with the help of a new group of survivors that knows nothing about special zombies.

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Well now Scratch is in the Colony so Pegs is going to die

But She didn't find Dunbar on her own, they had to kidnap Max, I think KC has lost control and is addicted to the joy of killing off my theories.....