That's your move? Not to bother? You certainly shut my mouth there.Quote:
Originally Posted by TacticalJHP
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That's your move? Not to bother? You certainly shut my mouth there.Quote:
Originally Posted by TacticalJHP
Well, I call bullshit on the fact that Riley suddenly pieced together that Tardust tried to rape Lizzy in the furniture store back then. That was one of those hanging plot points I would have been happy to leave unresolved...Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
Nah. Burt takes out Scratch... :nik:Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
What are you saying? Are you trying to say that it's bad storytelling? It must be perfectly plausible. Everything else is perfectly plausible. I could have pieced it together with less information. Hell, even a match stick covered in bird shit near a waterpark would have been enough for me to know he was the one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
You see my point. No?
If only that was possible....Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by DagnyTag
This episode was great at pointing out the parallel obsession of Scratch and B&R. I wonder if Scratch didn't cry the first time she killed someone. Riley didn't kill Tar because of what he tried to do to Lizzy, in my opinion, she did it because he spelled it out for her: you're obsessed over the loss of a loved one and you would do anything to get your revenge, including torture and cold blood murder. You are becoming the french Scratch. I do not see redemption for her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Footbutt
Maybe he is creating new zombies with the chemicals, inside of gas-infected areas, to build a resistance to the gas, and to use the different areas as multiple defensive spots? Or, he is using the chemicals, along with the infection the gas causes, to have the same effect?Quote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
So the zombies have been gathering their dead to harvest the "zombie gas" then? Shouldn't there have been gas at the arena?
This episode emotionally broke me
W h a t h a v e y o u d o n e
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They did bring their dead to the arena, but I think they were kept outside. I think Riley and Angel find them and we hear flies and Riley says so they put their dead in one big lump. The bodies found inside the arena may have been normals used for food.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatMyShorts
It is interesting to note that Cindy, Angels girlfriend, may not have been found by the biters. Maybe she was, but I do not think Angel/Riley/Datu/Michael dug to see if the body was missing. They probably just saw disturbed earth at the grave. To be crude, maybe she popped releasing the gas.
Mh.
I take the alcohol as a (bad) excuse for anyone in this scene fucking up big time. Tardust - dead, OK. That's that. Riley's got something else on her plate to chew on. Either she does not care at all, or she will understand that she just killed another human being - no matter, how bad or evil this dude was. Anyway. I think there are different opinions about it, but there is no way to resolve this. What I just wonder is: Why, Riley? Why did you do this? Looking back at the complete WA story you actually never really connected with anyone so tight. The tightest possible thing, maybe, was with Burt, when you and he joined for the retaliation-run against Scratch (for what reason again?) instead of simply trying to survive in this God forsaken piece of land ...
Yeah, well. You could say that she felt like "close" with Angel, because in season #1 Angel and Riley had their personal adventure while attempting to rescue R2Da2. And yes, you could say, that Riley felt responsible for some part of the Lizzy-story-arc. But I do not recall that she cared about those things for much longer than at the time, when things happened. Afterwards she was just a human wreck complaining about shit, when she was not drunk actually.
Just my2c about this part. And I really thought for quite a while that Riley would belong to those people doing the difference - especially with her empathy and her social skills she especially showed during better parts of season #1. Well, that was that.
As for Saul and Randy's bite: Saul seemed to immune against the z-agent or z-factor from the jumper (or maybe his hybrid-incident even earlier). Is his Zombie-Immunity so strong that his body could fend off z-agents from different types of zombies as well? Any time we witnessed infection, incubation, and transmutation the newly infected turned to become a zombie of the type which bit the victim; and this points towards the strong likelhyhood that there are different z-agents around. So I wonder: is the z-agent in a Smart One like Randy the same z-agent like within a regular? And would this have a different effect on Saul?
Just sayin' that I am not as certain as others here that Saul is safe from becoming a zeeh ...
My own take on it is that I'm no longer concerned or worried about Saul becomming a zombie. I entirely believe that he has a strong immunity to it and at worst would be a slow turner, like he has been, until his blood clears up lika Tonya has. I dont think he can be re-infected and now has developed a full immunity to it. I'm more concerned with any physical attack, like being torn apart. He was bittin in the neck, but we don't know how bad. Michael and Victor can't follow after him, but do we only find peices of him later?
Edit: Or is he going to be used as bait?
That's why you beat it.
I do love circles. They're so much fun. I also have no qualms with passing out some quiet time to individuals who ask for it. There's a point at which things go beyond the point of conversation (be it heated) and turn to personal attacks. That's the point at which suspensions will be handed out. Let's ALL keep that in mind.
And no, I don't discount myself in that.
Not worry about him turning, more worry that we will die from the wound. No one is immune to bleeding to death.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
One thing I'll throw out there before I venture back into the dark- Riley also dealt with some serious anger issues while at Fort Irwin as well, to the point she was medicated. There's been a history of issues... just to add to the pile.
Given enough time for them to decompose. The bodies at the arena would have been there for, at most, up to two months. The ones Tanya had could have been dead from anytime since the beginning of the outbreak to the four months that she has had her mortuary laboratory.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatMyShorts
Think that's been forgotten about. Thanks Kc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
Think with all these problems, the "tower" of her mental state might be collapsing soon....
Looks like another Witch Doctor prediction bites the dust. Tardust, that is. So he's not going to help analyze the Z-gas. But he did live long enough to tell Burt the secrets of making biodiesel fuel.Hummer:)
Now for another prediction: There doesn't seem to be a rescue to a civilized safe haven in the future. Now that they can make fuel Burt's firetruck o' death, this story may end with a reboot for humanity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63_lcQUdxxE
Now, if they can only get Lady to talk.
Getting the zombies to dig holes and follow other instructions seems like it would more trouble than it's worth. I wonder if the remaining zombies are all Smart Ones.
Which in returns means: Having the stain of blood on her hand for having killed a defenseless and already guy this may add another burden on her shoulders, unless she will stick to the idea that she has shot him with justification. I wonder where this will lead to. And I also wonder how Burt will consider Riley in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by GooerThink that's been forgotten about. Thanks Kc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
Think with all these problems, the "tower" of her mental state might be collapsing soon....
Scratch will be the only person to survive with Nicholas.
He was dragged away in a tunnel where no one can enter due to the gas, so I think he will survive, otherwise that part of the story would be lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper
I have long thought there is more to Riley than we know. Mainly due to how the story is written. She doesn't put much of her personal stuff into the Journals. Much like Michael for the most part. Saul, Pegs, Lizzy, they all tell you how they feel. They tell you who they hang out with. Riley never did that with her Journals. It is all "Just the facts Ma'am" with her stuff. So we have seen very little of the inner working of her mind. She went to the Hospital prior to the Kulani, Burt, Her, and Angel trip and she never mentioned it before they go there. Just a "Eh. It was thick and we didn't get far". She has been mentally unstable from the beginning. If you remember she was getting drunk within the first few chapters. They made a passing comment about it really early. I think it was when when Kelly fell asleep. Maybe sooner. Angel said she was messed up and Riley said "I should be ok".Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
Add to her anger issues like KC said, with her need to 'do something'. She went to the Hospital twice, volunteered for everything, ect. She HAS to being doing something. She doesn't want to be a colonist. Even in the Military she didn't want to be behind the walls. She wanted to see action. One would think after LA she would be ok with being safe. Nope. Hated cooking and wanted to shoot stuff. I think the getting nowhere with Scratch was wearing on her. She was spinning tires. Tardust just pushed an emotionally unstable woman.
Definitely true. My issue with this scene was not Riley's behavior. She's been all I WANT TO FIGHT! RAGE! YOU KILLED THE GUY I LIKED TO HAVE AROUND ME AS AN EGO BOOST WHILE I MOONED AFTER LIZZY, RAHHH! ever since Angel's death, and I found her killing Tardust in that tragedy induced rage completely believable. My issue was that I couldn't see Tardust egging her on like that, even if he was drunk and despairing about his chances of escaping the situation. Tardust was cowardly and intelligent, and those two things I think would make him fight for his life more, rather than opt for a clean death. The way he acted just seemed, to me, completely out of character.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
And there is also the fact that the torture they put him through is nothing compared to what Scratch has done to people, so I can't see him viewing Riley and Burt as the same as Scratch. They made him run behind a car until he fell down... Scratch cut off Burt's finger; Scratch cut open a guy's face with her knife, and would have kept torturing him to death had her brother not put him down; and then there's all the stuff she's done that we've just heard about.
I'm also in the camp of people who don't buy Riley's quick jump to realizing that Tardust was the one in the furniture store. If she had heard Lizzy's audiolog from when Lizzy was held captive by the Mallers, then yes, that would make sense. But I think she would have recognized him immediately then, having remembered his name and distinct voice from the audiolog. I feel weird saying all this stuff, because this is pretty much the first time I've taken issue with character actions and motivations in this show, but for this part I feel like I have to. All in all, these things besides, I've had about enough of Riley. I was coming to quite like Tardust, and I think her killing of him was completely unjustified.
:hsugh:
It's interesting that Tanya seems to be saying she is immune in spite of being exposed so many times. Could she not be immune for that very reason?
didn't see that coming
Just to clarify, Riley didn't hear the audio log. She only heard part of the events from Lizzy, or what she was told. The only person who heard the audio log, that we know of, is Saul.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlarken
I'm a little surprised that some listeners have a problem with Riley making a connection between the attempted rape and it being Tardust, but it's a fair criticism. My intention was that Riley was able to see from Tardusts' reaction that there was something else in his head when he mentions "Lizzy", and figures it out from there and sees past the lies.
I dont think it was a huge leap. She asked how he knew Lizzy, and 'files' on everyone didnt seem to add up. she knew about the furniture store and was, I believe, fully justified in the execution. She basically gave Tardust his last few seconds to come clean. At this point, he had to know she wasnt screwing around anymore, this wasn't torture for information, this was "Show your true colors" and was dealt with accordingly. Some leaps are made here in how QUICK Riley put all this together, yes, but we are dealing with a show here. The few days that she might have spent in REALITY thinking about who tardust could be in contrast to Lizzy was summed up in a few moments for the sake of the audience (In my opinion)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
So, uh, Sauls ok, right?....right guys?................right?
That is about all I have to say in complete summation of this episode
Just from curiosity, if you were to change the scene to be clearer to more people would you do it verbally or by description? I mean, would you have the characters describe what was going on or use different sounds or words? What would have the most impactful change?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
Yea, he's fine. Just gone to have tea with Ink, Randy and their other pals........Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoff4D
NO HE ISN'T FINE AT ALL *cries self to sleep*
This speculation right here, this is why I keep coming back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grognaurd