Epic fail? No. She found what she was looking for. It just took her a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by zombeh-kitteh
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Epic fail? No. She found what she was looking for. It just took her a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by zombeh-kitteh
Well the episode end with the return of Randy, the reunion of Saul with Lizzy and Burt, and the non death of CJ. Which brings me to my next point. I officially love Scratch. Her cynically evil mind is out standing. She doesn't go for the kill...she goes for the suffering which in my opinion is 10x worse. But I agree with some of the posts, she is either going to die soon or be turned into a Zombie and either way it doesn't bode well for any of the remaining characters because you can bet she is going to take someone with her.
That said...
CJ will become this universe's version of Oracle (like BatGirl after she was shot in the back by the Joker). Once Stabilized, she'll probably get a station where she can communicate with everyone and assist in coordinating the defense of the colony from the Zombie menace.
Lizzy will be killed in the Zombie assault (why?...I don't know but I really don't like her character).
Victor, Saul, and Burt are gonna go all Rambo, until Michael gets there.
About Scratch:
The number of allies grows thin (less and less slaves, er, Mallers to support her), while the number of people having enough reason to kill her rises: Riley because of Angel, Burt because of Shirley, CJ because of her leg, Michael because of destroying what he built up, Saul because of Lizzy.
And yet: Will it be the clash of Pegs and Scratch that decides about life and death of Scratch? No, I don't think so. I'd like to see a picture in which Scratch tries to kill Pegs, but then everyone else from the list above shoots or stabs Scratch making it uncertain who actually got his revenge, but certain that Pegs survives (unless she didn't die in a mushroom of light back at Boulder)... This gives the word "mass-murder" a completely new understanding ...
Maybe it's too early in the morning ...
All the best!
Liam
And people have the nerve to call her a sociopath. :hsugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
Close range with a knife and she still can't take out CJ? Clearly your darling scratch needs a bit of practice, but oh we'll she's on the run with no followers and no knife. How very unfortunate.Quote:
Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek
WHOA. I guess I missed something? How did Scratch figure out Irwin? Sucks for her since the military is there and she has... What? A handful of convicts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
I sort of thought she was going to stick around and watch the zombies take The Colony.
Angel hypothesized about Zombie cliques after they tagged the zombies with the trackers and some went a different direction than the others. One seemed not to be able to make up it's mind on where to go at first.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
Sounds like a Zombie version of the movie from the 1970s called The Warriors. Can you dig it?Quote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
so dig it...pretty much where the idea came from..hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
Makes total sense. You posted this on the day that time travelers travel through time. Back to the Future 11-5-1955, The Time Rider, and Time After Time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Z Sniper
full disclosure; ive just now listened to the entire episode. and damn i gotta say finally some theory fuel! so much to go over...facts brought into theories
burt:
--cliffs--use your noodle old man, and i dont mean your penis.
so as much as i hate to say it, burt perhaps would have been better off had scratch killed him. the main issue i see is, scratch essentially created another version of herself in him...it was discussed back when scratch took his finger, but the main reason the destruction of shirley was actually a "good" thing was the acceptance of facts...shirleys gone. now, with scratch surviving this, as well as burt...he's no different than her. his only reason for living is to end the life of the one who took his loved one away. if burt was smart, he would not let his desire for revenge cloud the fact that a:hes in no condition to go after her. b: the shirley he loved died long ago, the ones who love him are still very much alive and all around him (saul/lizzy/child).
cj:
--cliffs--thats one tough chick
wow, im seriously impressed by her resiliance. almost borderline not believable impressed. but so long as they manage to keep her alive her brain could be a major asset. specifically from the "base of operations" or whatever..as eluded to previously, her as an oracle type character seems very fitting..and her planning mind seems much more suited to that sort of thing anyways. but seriously i dont care how much morphine your on...spitting out orders like that is fairly like impressive.
mallers:
--cliffs--27 down, 2 to go
so at this point we really have no idea how many mallers are actually left. two we know for sure( well, even they are speculation), scratch and tardust are seemingly the only two from the former regime left. so the idea of the "mallers" as a viable threat has been effectively put to an end.(ninja edit: by viable threat, i mean as a group. not dicounting scratch and whoever may be left.simply mean the group itself as a "large" threat)..think of it this way, even if a half dozen mallers managed to escape,(also remembering the mallers themselves were devided into two factions..some may have to answer some things.) the best asset the mallers had before was their "grunts" or slaves....and unless there's some magical group of survivors just floating around out there waiting for somebody to lead them...yea. done
the family dynamic:
--cliffs--together again
while the story is sold on the tagline of "of story of survival", to me the segments of saul/lizzy/burt are perhaps the most endearing. while individually i truthfully dont care for lizzy or saul..and the romance just kind of drives the manly man in me up the wall...the family aspect of the three of them really strikes a cord with me, has since the beginning. to me this story really is about these characters, and the fact that reguardless of relations blood or otherwise...family always finds each other.
where's scratch?:
--cliffs--who the fuck knows?
so a few people have speculated on how scratch could have gleamed the information from say, bixby or gatekeeper about where pegs/michael/the rest of them are..well theirs a few issues with this...to our knowledge, nobody specifically mentioned "where" they planned to place the call to. now, perhaps saul/vic did tell gatekeeper why he was grabbing the satphone..but heres what we do know..
bixby: we cannot assume he knew what the phone was needed for, nor where michael/others are/were..think of his comments just last chapter part...his snide comments about "what, no michael?"(paraphrase).he knew michael claimed to be military and if they told him "hey bro, we're gonna call the armies and shit" im certain 2+2= he's no dipshit. he would have no viable information to pass on..and of anyone, he seems the most likely to have ran into her..knife to the throat.
gatekeeper: he's a bit of an unknown entity as to what he may have actually have been told. but...the one thing we can at the very least speculate on is his character as a stoolie...the gatekeeper we meet in the return to the colony is a broken man. one that seems to have no reason to live, i have to question if gatekeeper would actually roll over and turn on the people who gave him what seemed to be a new reason to live...no. he would take a bullet.
whats next:
so we have randy (aka: me before coffee and a baaaad trip to singapore) and his behemoth team about to beat down the doors..im thinking they found pipebombs in tar's house (and for the record, i said they could be timed bombs in another thread before i actually heard the part in the episode)...but that gets me to thinking about the "what ifs" now that we have an on the mend burt with us...while burt may not be tardust, i certainly believe given a few minutes and the plethora of gizmos in glenns shop several walkie talkie bombs could be improvised to make quite the game changer when it comes to the meat mountains outside the gates...and what the fucks up with randy? getting a tat on his face? hes never gonna find a real job now...people can be so judgemental these days....
thats all i have, now get out of my office
Ha HA! I'm never on the wrong side of the coin because I use a QUANTUM QUARTER!! When flipped, all possible answers are correct in superposition.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by 7oddisdead
Oh, I'm just joshing around with my favorite psycho knife-wielding bundle of joy... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
But in all seriousness, it would have been easier for Scratch just to plunge that blade into CJ's heart, neck, gut...but she chose the leg? Maybe it was a matter of positioning, but it seems to me that Scratch decided to shred her leg up just to make her suffer. Suffer like she suffers?
Hmmm....
Not necessarily. The reason she could have gone for the leg is that was what was available. As we don't know the positions they were in at the time it's hard to say, but I'm pretty certain just before Saul's groan we hear scratch get disarmed (you hear a small tinkling of steel to the floor too small to be a katana).
So scratch could have been on the floor with CJ standing over her with Saul behind them. Saul groans, CJ turns, and gets a knife to the thigh.
Osiris, I have no problem admitting I was wrong. Good call on the voice actor...Quote:
Originally Posted by OsirisI totally forget who it was that argue so passionately that Scratch was not the last voice heard... that Cj was the one heard coming out on top.... all I have to say is:
With that said, how did Scratch get out of there? She sure didn't go out the way Saul was, since he was shooting off rounds at her... If there were two ways out, CJ should have just called someone to come in the back and flank Scratch.
First off, the forum is much more entertaining this week compared to most weeks. Thank you for that. Now for an honest prediction we will see CJ wanting to kill Scratch, along with Burt And Riley. Needless to say there is a waiting list for a chance to kill her. Wild prediction, all this is in the post war PTSD mind Of Michael. Many of there people he knows now or knew overseas.
CJ will be soon dead as I deduced from Saul's diagnosis. If not, it would be a miracle though.
Here we go, baby: matching one big-ass episode with one big-ass Lit-Treatise!
(main points in red in case you want to skim it)
Cat Fight!
I don't know about the rest of you, but I had a hard time visualizing this one. I must have gone back and listened to all the scuffles, groans, grunts, and screams over a dozen times and still cannot figure out exactly how the fight went down between Scratch and CJ. It sounded at the end like Scratch must have somehow kicked CJ's sword away, then pinned her to the ground (Saul later yells "Get off of her!") and stabbed her in the leg. It didn't help that both actresses have a similar vocal quality so I had a hard time parsing who was doing what to whom. This is one of the definite drawbacks of having no narration! Some lingering questions:
1. Why did Scratch just leave instead of finishing CJ off, if she had the upper hand? She said something like "you're not worth it", but I couldn't tell if this was directed towards CJ, Burt, or Saul.
2. Why didn't Saul shoot Scratch? Again, a problem with visualization here, but was he around the corner or something? He had a gun, and we heard several shots at the end of the fight, but I still couldn't make that one out.
3. I wonder how Kc made those nice blood splatter sounds, which really gave me the artery-spewing willies! Let me guess: ketchup squirted from a squirt gun?
4. Why would the alarm even matter if the good guys had the Mallers on the run anyway? After Kc misled me to think it might have been a bomb instead of an alarm, I was expecting something more climactic than just yanking a wire and kicking the door open.
BURT! At laaaast!
Freeeeeeeedom, baby! About time the old dog got cut loose! I am so STOKED that my man Burt is back in action again, and can't wait to see him kick some serious ass!
It was mentioned that the only thing that kept him going was the thought of lasting "long enough to end her" (i.e. Scratch). So, Kc, this sets in motion an iron clad plot thread, which cannot be violated or deviated from until it is ultimately fulfilled (most probably at the conclusion of Season 4, when Burt gets to enact his skull fantasies on Scar-face....)
Another Theory Bites the Dust
The revelation that Burt simply fell in a tree after the zip-line broke was a bit of a letdown for me, as I was expecting something much more elaborate. It also proved that my Dangling Burt Theory from last January was a big fat load of falsified dung. Oh, well....
CJ Takes Charge
Damn, CJ is really in her element when she is bossing people around, isn't she? I am surprised that she survived the attack (so far anyway), but she will be key in getting all these jamokes organized enough to mount a defense vs. the Zom-Army
Tardust's Loot
Based on the slight clinking sound that I thought I heard, it seems like the goodies the guys found in Tardust's house are either RPG rounds or pipe bombs, either of which will come in real handy vs. the encroaching behemoth's...
Randy's Army?
I was trying to find the part awhile back when Zombie Randy had the attempted kidnapping of Tanya, but I couldn't find it yet. Does anyone remember if there is mention of Randy having long hair and a beard?
Lit's Criticism
Ok, it seems a bit of a stretch at this point that a whole zombie army would mobilize and chase after one fleeing car with a couple of guys in it, so I'm going to have to call bullshit on the rationale for the zombie attack unless Kc reveals a bit more feasible explanation (such as, that it was just a handful of stray zombies that followed and not a full, organized ZomArmy). Damn, is food really that scarce in LA nowadays?
By the way, I am developing a new theory that, apparently, one's status in a zombie hierarchy is directly tied to one's ability to climb up on rooftops. :hsugh: This, together with the piano music for the death of a significant character, are two semi-cliches that Kc might want to stray from in the future...
Final Sound
To me, it sounded like that final sound was one of the Little Ones (aka Inklings). It would be interesting to 'see' an attack with both the behemoths and Little Ones together, which I don't think we've seen yet. Anyway, we are lacking a lot of information on the zombies themselves... information which I hope will be provided in abundance in the next season...
PEACE!
I have always been a fan of girls that are fighters and currently in this story there is scratch, who is an amazing character but not exactly one to root for.... and of the two I really like, Riley is currently a cook and at best it seems CJ looses a leg. I am so sad over this. I love the story and the latest turns but dam this is harsh right now,
Ah, here is the gem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
I think the Randy Zombies are in search for a few necrophiles. Hah? See what I did there?:cool:
I think the reason he didn't/couldn't shoot Scratch is that he had taken two shots to the chest. Now, I have never worn a bullet proof vest, and I have never been shot while wearing one, but I would think it would still be pretty painful. Saul does mention that he thinks he has broken ribs from it, and I think he says it knocked the breath out of him. It has also been mentioned before that he is not the best shot. So, not being a good shot coupled with the pain of take a couple rounds to the chest.. im thinking he shot just to let her know "Hey bitch I still got teeth." Although those teeth are not very effective right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
What is it about Scratch that causes all of the other characters lose any bit of competency? Zombies don't chase her, Durai couldn't kill her (She was RIGHT THERE!), now, Saul couldn't shoot her. (Well, then again, he does have the reputation of being a bad shot.)
She's like Jame Bond running up a metal stairway while being shot at by evil henchmen. The bullets ALWAYS miss Bond (6' or 2m tall) but hit the thin two inch safety rails without fail.
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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor
Indeed I did, Witch Doctor... indeed I did. :cool:
ran·dy (rnd)
adj. ran·di·er, ran·di·est
1.a. Lascivious; lecherous.
1.b. Of or characterized by frank, uninhibited sexuality.
2. Scots Ill-mannered.
[Possibly from obsolete rand, to rant, from obsolete Dutch randen, ranten.]
CJ is the new Kalani.
Besides, I do not think that CJ is a vivid Pearl Jam fan at the moment:Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
I think she's going to get the leg amputated... It seemed like Saul came to that conclusion?Quote:
Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek
Tanya's abduction takes place in Chapter 23, Part 1, The Devil's WorkshopQuote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
Michael describes the Smart One that grabbed Tanya as having, "long brown hair and dirty beard," right before he shouts, "Randy!"Quote:
Does anyone remember if there is mention of Randy having long hair and a beard?
Here's an artist's impression:
Final Sound
To me, it sounded like that final sound was one of the Little Ones (aka Inklings). It would be interesting to 'see' an attack with both the behemoths and Little Ones together, which I don't think we've seen yet. Anyway, we are lacking a lot of information on the zombies themselves... information which I hope will be provided in abundance in the next season...
PEACE![/QUOTE]
Good thought. I wondered about that little sound; a word? A howl? Maybe I'll run it through some software.
OK I'm back. It was indeed Macho Man (Randy) saying Ooooooooooooooyyyyeeeeeaaaahhhhh!!!!
damn I wish I could give you rep. I want this so hard! Best way to end the seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Osiris
That's what the dirty sheriff's badge is for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven
RIPQuote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage PatchTanya's abduction takes place in Chapter 23, Part 1, The Devil's Workshop
Michael describes the Smart One that grabbed Tanya as having, "long brown hair and dirty beard," right before he shouts, "Randy!"
Here's an artist's impression:
:squint:
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Osiris again....You're Welcome :P
It's ok, bro... :love: I can still rep you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven
I swore at one point Lizzy was about to go into labour.
My only criticism was that at one point Saul complains about always being the one to get shot, hoped Burt might have said something amusing.
Other than that great episode and really long too.
Just a quick excursion from my normal stomping grounds.
Probably CJ proved to be too much of an opponent instead of a victim like all the other Scratch handed their asses. Thus Scratch failed and maybe is not as skilled in using knifes as I/ we granted her to be ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
Probably he was still numb from being shot; also it may have been quite dark considering the place and time ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
No, I don't remember such a detail being mentioned. But having it on this episode this raises another question: based on what Tanya found out them zeehs are living beings after all with full metabolism and stuff ... And considering the odds that most likely about 50%, or just maybe half of all of the zeehs were male humans, what about their beard-growth; and what about at least about 100%, or just all zeehs having having hair ... What about theirs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
Having the marked hairy zeeh here may point towards a totally new species/ kind of zeehs ...
Yeah, I am with you: It is kind of a stretch, but after all this would be kind of an explanation:Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
Well: Months after the zeeh-pocalypse started there is no food around anymore - all the place were scavenged, all the places with groups of survivors were taken down, them zeehs even ate themselves ... And all of a sudden two guys show up and simply run away ...
Ok - we had this a couple of times already. So why didn't this happen before?
Maybe, because this time a smart one saw Glenn and Pete and thought: "Mh, Yummy! Fresh brains ..."
Considering the simple fact that Behemoths have little trouble running through walls, I wonder how solid and strong the fortification of The Colony is ... Will the zeehs even bother to attack at the gates, or will they try just a or even several random walls to get into the human settlement?Quote:
Originally Posted by Litmaster
All the best!
Liam
Maybe facial hair is not wide spread among the zeeh due to their specific hormone levels. As I recall, native Americans and Asians do not have dense facial hair either. Just my 2 ct.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamKerrington
Yeah, I think the hormons will play a major role ... So, Randy, er, the marked long-haired one has a different hormon-mixture then the other zeehs? Or did his zeeh-agent mutate to some degree? Or did he remain more human then other zeehs? Ok, here we are again: Are them zeehs humans, animals, aliens, something else???Quote:
Originally Posted by YetAnotherBloodyCheek
Ah, too late to think about it.
All the best!
Liam
Simple facts guys..we first learn of Randy via Michael saying his name in a dream/nightmare he will not talk about...then , when Tanya is taken...the zom dragging her away is described first as having "long hair, and a beard"...immediately following that Michael identifies him as Randy. Now in this case I would see it less as an oddity among the undead and more as an oddity for people in general..at least in current (2009) L.A. A man with long hair and a beard will stand out far more prominently than a regular dude...this comes from a guy with a shaved head and big beard...so I may know something about uh...follicle profiling ;)
Just remember this. If CJ gets amputated, we'll have two pegs's on the show. I'll show myself out now.
Love, love, loved it!!! I'm still processing it. Can't wait for the next chapter to find out what happens next... (O-o)
