Chapter 33-3 Red Winter

Hi there.

Something to chew on:
Michael says: Why didn't you tell me? And Carl responds: I told you ... !

In Episode #33-2 Carl and Michael communicate via sat-phone, while Carl is at the Chinook crash side. After having dealt with the Little Ones they connect. Michael says: "Carl, fill me in. What's the situation." The scene is at the crashside.
Then we have an interruption and a change of perspective. Now we are in Fort Irwin, and the first line of Michael is: "And you're sure the other ones are dead?"

So both spoke about something that happened at the Chinook crash side, which is not 'viewed' in episode #33-2. But what exactly did they talk about? The line "And you'resure the other ones are dead?" actually hints at Michael knowing about the ones being infected by Little One #2.
And then in #33-3 Michael complains about Carl not having said everything, while Carl goes all defensive and tells Michael that he did mention things around soldiers being infected and turning like crazy 'right after' he told Michael about 'the black number' ...

Well, the story is kind of ambiguos here. I just wonder what information Carl really provided and what might have slipped Michael's attention or why Michael "dismissed" these information already seeing the vital nature of these facts (Little One, infected and now dead soldiers, 30mi from Boulder, Griggs missing).

It kind of strikes me as odd that Michael seems to be involved in quite some funny moments in this whole WA-zeeh-pocalypse - the pumpstation, Randy, unintentionally(?) playing an important role in The Colony going down (first the death of Marcus, then the Mallers showing up), falling (too?) easily for the trap of the Mallers right before The Tower goes down, now this which might be Boulder going down as the worst scenario to think of ...

Am just toying with thoughts. What do you think about all of this???

All the best!
Liam

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Originally Posted by Robzombie

Da-da-daaaaa! Are we going to see Ink again real soon?

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That was kinda tongue in cheek...I think Ink is still working on his army, maybe on the move...this is what if anything I think will be the real threat to Fort Irwin. Not so much Boulder as a lot of those Z's are gonna freeze if they go through the mountains.

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

Don't forget: L.A. was downed in less then a day. And in 2009 L.A. was a city with more then 3.5 Million people - not accounting for the folks from the environ coming to L.A. for business and jobs etc. And it was not like the way that after that day there were 3.5 Million zeds roaming the streets of L.A. Also the initial attack started at a rather small area/ location of the town.
1.5 days later all of the continental US was overrun by Zeds ... Back then the US had about 307 Million residents.

Considering the features of a Little One I could imagine that it could wrack havoc in Boulder in no time. Strategy would be simple:
Attack small groups of people, wound and infect as many as possible, jump/ run away, hide a few minutes, attack the next group; in the meantime the number of Little Ones litteraly explodes. Since the military dudes would react directly most of the military force would focus on this attack like what all the police and military personell did in L.A., which means: As soon as the men are downed, the city/ rescue camp of Boulder would b defenseless. And don't forget: there are/ were not that many soldiers around ...

So: Yeah, it is a frightening scheme, but considering what happened so far it is not even unlikely ...

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There's a big difference in LA vs boulder though....LA had no expectations of a plausible attack, while Boulder is on guard for this exact situation, regardless of how lax they've become, they have a reaction protocol I'm sure. Also, LA was hit with a Haze that presumably mass-infected thousands, while Boulder would be hit with theoretical 'patient zero'.....Although the Inklings turn people VERY fast, so that is something that helps the speed of breakout, but I still think Boulder having pre-existing expectations weighs the scale in their favor

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

Screw that Lizzy chick. INKLINGS FTW! ;)

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Inklings x2


Lizzie's pregnant, so she's not thinking rationally, had she seen the growth of the little ones, surely she'd call them Inklings.

That said, someone called out the ADLO being created by Inklings, and Inklings being created by Ink (aka having tattoos), and that was the naming convention I subscribed too.

I'm mostly on board saying that Boulder is still up and running, just radio silenced due to some other issue besides Inkling/ADLO attack. However, I'd like to throw another crazed thought in the process

We're all sure the Inklings are cold-resistant, and as far as everyone knows, the inklings held on for 1,000 miles before attacking. Kc even confirmed that it did not attack until the 1,000 mile mark, HOWEVER, he never confirmed the Inkling was certainly hanging on....Spec. Robbins says these birds have trouble in the weather all the time, and others expressed concern over their fuel capacity....I wonder if maybe the Inkling merely TRACKED the Chinook, and the Chinook had mechanical problems/fuel problems and had to land. Even Robbins says the crash is not that bad, and most people would walk away. If a monster kicks the wall in, in mid-flight, I assume it to be a crash landing of epic proportion. However, If you have mechanical failure and go down relatively slowly, you may have a crash site like described of the Chinooks.

Perhaps the bird went down, the crew remained inside, dazed from the landing trying to assess what to do, not going out into the cold because...well...its cold. a few hours later (or minutes, who knows) #2 finish his tracking and "HERE'S JOHNNY"s the side of the chinook like Nicholson could never do. Perhaps in this instance Griggs makes a run for it, dropping his restraints (released as the attack onsets because everyone deserves a chance at escape). #2 (and possibly his crew) take down the Chinook crew as griggs escapes, a few of #2's crew chases him through the mountains (making his trip take 14 days to get to Boulder) and #2 hangs around because she's crazy smart and knows a search party will come.

In this instance its still possible Griggs turns, and its possible he fends them off....if he fends them off, he arrives in boulder and lights are out due to storm, if he turns, he shows up with a crew of zeds that turned him and are in on the feast.

Hi there,

I hear you, Hoff4D. You are absolutely right: The main difference is that L.A. was hit while the city was unprepared, and Boulder could have been hit being at at least yellow to orange alert-condition all the time ...

Still some 'buts' to add ...

- yeah, maybe the Boulder soldiers are kind of lax; and with Robbin and Carl and the blackhawk-pilot some more sense might have returned to Boulder straightening forces a bit - that is IF they have spoken about their experiences at the Chinook crash side;
- we have no information about how Boulder is secured, only that it IS secured; and if it is secured for the regulars to show up, would the same level of protection work against Little Ones just as well?
- Little Ones are cunning - simple straight forward -, which does not apply for regulars so far; Little Ones evaluate the situation, try to take the most advantageous position in order to attack and seem to adapt to the given situation;
- Little One #2 took down a Chinook in flight, messed up the complete Chinook crew (of which some were down in Zombieland L.A. for a week) and also dished out some heavy damage to Robbin's blackhawk-unit - all soldiers that are acknowledged to be experienced, skilled, and seasoned combatants; according to what Puck says (as I understand him) this does not apply naturally for the average Boulder soldier ...

That is why I am so hesitant to accept the Little One as being just a small threat for Boulderites or Boulder even or especially now ...

All the best!
Liam

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

Hi there,

I hear you, Hoff4D. You are absolutely right: The main difference is that L.A. was hit while the city was unprepared, and Boulder could have been hit being at at least yellow to orange alert-condition all the time ...

Still some 'buts' to add ...

- yeah, maybe the Boulder soldiers are kind of lax; and with Robbin and Carl and the blackhawk-pilot some more sense might have returned to Boulder straightening forces a bit - that is IF they have spoken about their experiences at the Chinook crash side;
- we have no information about how Boulder is secured, only that it IS secured; and if it is secured for the regulars to show up, would the same level of protection work against Little Ones just as well?
- Little Ones are cunning - simple straight forward -, which does not apply for regulars so far; Little Ones evaluate the situation, try to take the most advantageous position in order to attack and seem to adapt to the given situation;
- Little One #2 took down a Chinook in flight, messed up the complete Chinook crew (of which some were down in Zombieland L.A. for a week) and also dished out some heavy damage to Robbin's blackhawk-unit - all soldiers that are acknowledged to be experienced, skilled, and seasoned combatants; according to what Puck says (as I understand him) this does not apply naturally for the average Boulder soldier ...

That is why I am so hesitant to accept the Little One as being just a small threat for Boulderites or Boulder even or especially now ...

All the best!
Liam

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Agreed 100%, I think one ADLO COULD end Boulder, but I do not believe it would end it inside of 2 hours, in a manner that prevented even ONE distress call. That's all I'm saying.

In what time a Chinook flies 1.000 miles? Could a Little One be moving as fast on the ground in order to track the Chinook down?
Sticking with your idea I picture a more dreadful scene: The chinook had to do an emergency landing, and it landed right on top of the Little One. And since Little Ones seem to be around in small numbers (like two or three), what would this mean so close to Boulder??? Red Winter becomes a new understanding ... Then it would not be Griggs alone anymore ...

But I don't stick with this mad idea ... ;) I return to what I assume to be more likely:
While #2 was on the Chinook it started to demolish the chopper after nearly 1.000 miles up in the air. Damaging the Chinook it got into a similar situation as what Pegs had when she had to make an emergency landing next to the farm ... Remember that one? A more skilled pilot might have done something similar while the Little One tried to enter the chopper from the outside ...

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Originally Posted by Hoff4D

Agreed 100%, I think one ADLO COULD end Boulder, but I do not believe it would end it inside of 2 hours, in a manner that prevented even ONE distress call. That's all I'm saying.

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Yeah. The lack of the distress call is the most disturbing part in this whole picture ... I bet the answer/ solution is so simple that all of us look at it and don't recognize it ...

Doubt the inkling was tracking the Chinook on the ground. A Chinook has a top speed of 170 knots (196 mph). That means it cleared 1,000 miles in just over 5hrs. I highly doubt an Inkling is traveling 196+ mph on the ground. Also, the ground is not flat, there are hills, mountains, lakes, rivers, forrest, etc, etc, that the Inkling would have to deal with while running/tracking the Chinook. With that said, the Inkling was hanging on to the Chinook. When it ripped in to the Chinook it probably diabled critical systems causeing a controlled crash.

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

In what time a Chinook flies 1.000 miles? Could a Little One be moving as fast on the ground in order to track the Chinook down?
Sticking with your idea I picture a more dreadful scene: The chinook had to do an emergency landing, and it landed right on top of the Little One. And since Little Ones seem to be around in small numbers (like two or three), what would this mean so close to Boulder??? Red Winter becomes a new understanding ... Then it would not be Griggs alone anymore ...

But I don't stick with this mad idea ... ;) I return to what I assume to be more likely:
While #2 was on the Chinook it started to demolish the chopper after nearly 1.000 miles up in the air. Damaging the Chinook it got into a similar situation as what Pegs had when she had to make an emergency landing next to the farm ... Remember that one? A more skilled pilot might have done something similar while the Little One tried to enter the chopper from the outside ...

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Little ones are fast, and from our autopsy, have quite high endurance...I dont think they'd keep pace with the chinook, but if it went down, and they headed that direction, whose to say they weren't a mere few hours behind the crash time, and thus only a short period of time before the blackhawk arrived, explaining why the 2 were JUST outside the chinook when the blackhawk arrived...

Just throwing other ideas out there

Also, I think you're right, there is some simple thing we're overlooking.....but in the meantime CRACKPOT THEORIES AWAY!

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Originally Posted by Penguine

Doubt the inkling was tracking the Chinook on the ground. A Chinook has a top speed of 170 knots (196 mph). That means it cleared 1,000 miles in just over 5hrs. I highly doubt an Inkling is traveling 196+ mph on the ground. Also, the ground is not flat, there are hills, mountains, lakes, rivers, forrest, etc, etc, that the Inkling would have to deal with while running/tracking the Chinook. With that said, the Inkling was hanging on to the Chinook. When it ripped in to the Chinook it probably diabled critical systems causeing a controlled crash.

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if it disabled critical systems, wouldnt it be an UNcontrolled crash?

Hi there!

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Originally Posted by Hoff4D

CRACKPOT THEORIES AWAY!

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Just as an aside ... On Monday I really had some trouble thinking about #33-3 and chapter #33 at all. Looking at 14 pages of forum-discussions about #33-3 without pages of gunnery-theories like with #33-2 is just outfuckingstanding. :D There is more to #33-3 then meets the eye. But what is it? An Autobot or a Decepticon? ...

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Originally Posted by Hoff4D

if it disabled critical systems, wouldnt it be an UNcontrolled crash?

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I think it depends on how you define "critical" ... Wasn't the hydraulic-issue on Pegs's bird a critical system as well?

All the best!
Liam

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Originally Posted by LiamKerrington

Hi there!



Just as an aside ... On Monday I really had some trouble thinking about #33-3 and chapter #33 at all. Looking at 14 pages of forum-discussions about #33-3 without pages of gunnery-theories like with #33-2 is just outfuckingstanding. :D There is more to #33-3 then meets the eye. But what is it? An Autobot or a Decepticon? ...



I think it depends on how you define "critical" ... Wasn't the hydraulic-issue on Pegs's bird a critical system as well?

All the best!
Liam

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Deceptinkon.

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Originally Posted by lr42186

My immediate thought during the autopsy when Tanya started mentioning how undeveloped #2 was, was the idea that Ink was using little kids for his experiments. Which, in hindsight, fits with the original idea of them starting out as Little Ones... So, then could their explosion into Inklings be considered a sort of chemical/Ink-induced zombie puberty?

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My thoughts exactly!

Could Boulder be over-run quickly?

From what we do know of Inklings and other zombies: They would have to overcome obstacles of getting there, getting in, attacking and spreading Zombie Cooties. It is reasonable that there would still be enough time for the Boulderers to get out a distress call.

From what I can speculate: Inkling #2's decomposition gas spread the Zombie Cooties through the air, or some kind of contaminants spread from the ice used to keep the body cold or any of a number of ways a cross contamination could occur. Those infected change slowly as the infection spreads. Many people start turning at what seems to be all at once. :tinfoil:

Did Michael know or not know about the turned soldiers?

We can hear the he learns that the soldiers are turned but he may have assumed that they turned into regular biter, Not any of the special kinds.

Only Inking #2 seems to be a real baddass. The others took effort to kill but small teams in LA did the job.


Inklings! Like Earthlings. Plus it's funny! Makes me go he he he inside when I read it.
ADLO. ADvanced Little Ones Still has little one in it. They're not little anymore. Sounds like kindergarteners taking calculus. Or a command in Assembly Language.

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Originally Posted by Hoff4D

Deceptinkon.

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+1

About Zombie-gases fumigating from Inklings ... Not sure about it. I'd stay closer to the idea that Little Ones wound their prey with their fingernails and then either infect it with some stuff under the fingernails or with slime (bile, spittle) by licking, 'biting', spitting the wounded at the wounding ...

Just as an aside: We wondered why Little Ones have self-inflicted scratches: maybe it is just a natural reaction of Little Ones to scratch themselves when their skin is stretched (stretch marks) due to mutating effects, 'cause stretching skin might cause itching everywhere ... This would not answer, though, why Regulars have showed self-inflicted wounds as well ... Another idea could be: self-inflicting by accidentally reacting unctrolled to the infection:

http://youtu.be/Ma8l5udOlvc

All the best!
Liam

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Originally Posted by Robzombie

Yeah, Saul says because Lizzie named them that, they're still called Little Ones even though they ain't so little....personally I'm sticking with that. It reminds us of what they once were.

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Correction of your correction, unless someone beat me to it lizzy says that these must be the ones angel saw at the base he called them little ones. Something like that I can't quote it word for word. Which is what skittles called them he said word for word "I think I'll call them little ones". That is all.

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Originally Posted by Tielurrdee

Correction of your correction, unless someone beat me to it lizzy says that these must be the ones angel saw at the base he called them little ones. Something like that I can't quote it word for word. Which is what skittles called them he said word for word "I think I'll call them little ones". That is all.

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Lizzie said it, sticking to it.
Skittles said it, beat Lizzie to it.
'Name doesn't work', says Victor, screw it.
I'm calling them Inklings, now everybody do it.

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

Could Boulder be over-run quickly?

From what we do know of Inklings and other zombies: They would have to overcome obstacles of getting there, getting in, attacking and spreading Zombie Cooties. It is reasonable that there would still be enough time for the Boulderers to get out a distress call.

From what I can speculate: Inkling #2's decomposition gas spread the Zombie Cooties through the air, or some kind of contaminants spread from the ice used to keep the body cold or any of a number of ways a cross contamination could occur. Those infected change slowly as the infection spreads. Many people start turning at what seems to be all at once. :tinfoil:

Did Michael know or not know about the turned soldiers?

We can hear the he learns that the soldiers are turned but he may have assumed that they turned into regular biter, Not any of the special kinds.

Only Inking #2 seems to be a real baddass. The others took effort to kill but small teams in LA did the job.


Inklings! Like Earthlings. Plus it's funny! Makes me go he he he inside when I read it.
ADLO. ADvanced Little Ones Still has little one in it. They're not little anymore. Sounds like kindergarteners taking calculus. Or a command in Assembly Language.

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I want to stick to ADLO :hsugh:

Beside Inkling, is a real word.

n inkling [ˈiŋkliŋ]
a slight idea or suspicion (about something that is happening)

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

Lizzie said it, sticking to it.
Skittles said it, beat Lizzie to it.
'Name doesn't work', says Victor, screw it.
I'm calling them Inklings, now everybody do it.

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Dang it fine I'll add another name to the list then. Saul referred to them as pale crack addict zombies. So I will call the PCAZ

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Originally Posted by Tielurrdee

Dang it fine I'll add another name to the list then. Saul referred to them as pale crack addict zombies. So I will call the PCAZ

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Hey, I like that.

:meh:

I think it's safe to say we all know what is being said by either term. We get along fine with Ink, Bill Roberts, The one with the Markings, TOWTM, Pimp Zombie, Pinstripes, It's Paul, and Freaky Fucker in a Suit.

Just saying...

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

I'm calling them Inklings, now everybody do it.

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ink·ling/ˈiNGkliNG/

Noun:	A slight knowledge or suspicion; a hint.
Synonyms:	hint - intimation - suspicion - allusion

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My official response:

Go for it. I most likely won't use it in the story, but to make things clearer/easier on the forum, I officially support it. You can create the Wiki page if you like ;)

Fuck it. I say someone needs to Urban Dictionary it.


Someone else...not me. I'm lazy.

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Originally Posted by Kc

ink·ling/ˈiNGkliNG/

Noun:	A slight knowledge or suspicion; a hint.
Synonyms:	hint - intimation - suspicion - allusion

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My official response:

Go for it. I most likely won't use it in the story, but to make things clearer/easier on the forum, I officially support it. You can create the Wiki page if you like ;)

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OMG OMG OMG!!!!!:omgomg::excited::omgomg:

Is it just me or does anyone else have the suspicion that Boulder doesn't really exist. Almost as soon as the group got redirected there I started to think that. They aren't actually safe in Boulder. It could for all we know be the breeding/feeding ground for all of the zombies. I think the people that are in the communications towers are isolated and don't really know that they aren't in a community of over 150k people. OR the people shifted there could be slaves/workers or just zombie food. Something about the whole Boulder thing just never rang true for me. There was also a clue that I dismissed as a red herring that I now can't remember exactly but it had something to do with the military insignia of the fort and the zombies being connected.

Just my thoughts and btw HI I'm a fan :)

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Originally Posted by Ginja

Is it just me or does anyone else have the suspicion that Boulder doesn't really exist. Almost as soon as the group got redirected there I started to think that. They aren't actually safe in Boulder. It could for all we know be the breeding/feeding ground for all of the zombies. I think the people that are in the communications towers are isolated and don't really know that they aren't in a community of over 150k people. OR the people shifted there could be slaves/workers or just zombie food. Something about the whole Boulder thing just never rang true for me. There was also a clue that I dismissed as a red herring that I now can't remember exactly but it had something to do with the military insignia of the fort and the zombies being connected.

Just my thoughts and btw HI I'm a fan :)

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As cool as that would be I suspect if is more to do with story telling issues that we never "go" to Boulder.

P.S I would love to see a picture of how you made the sounds for the episode KC. If Robert gets a chance it would be cool to see. Video feature?

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Originally Posted by Witch_Doctor

OMG OMG OMG!!!!!:omgomg::excited::omgomg:

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Kc should've said "I support it on the forums....if you write a haiku as well"

Anyways, I thnik the given definition there furthers the awesome to name....it works on all levels. The inklings have a slight bit of knowledge and I'm damn suspicious of them....

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Originally Posted by UndeadSweeper

I want to stick to ADLO :hsugh:

Beside Inkling, is a real word.

n inkling [ˈiŋkliŋ]
a slight idea or suspicion (about something that is happening)

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And "little" and "ones" are not real words?

sorry, just being an ass....couldnt help it

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Originally Posted by Hoff4D

And "little" and "ones" are not real words?

sorry, just being an ass....couldnt help it

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:squint:

I have an Inkling that Witch_Doctor really wants to call them ADLO's but just doesn't want to admit it. :zombie:

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Originally Posted by Penguine

I have an Inkling that Witch_Doctor really wants to call them ADLO's but just doesn't want to admit it. :zombie:

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Can't seem to figure out the acronym behind ADLO. What does this mean?

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Originally Posted by ferroaj

Can't seem to figure out the acronym behind ADLO. What does this mean?

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ADvanced Little One

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Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero

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Uhma poop my pants, that was so funny.

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Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero

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:D That is funny.

I'm wondering if anyone can help me clarify an issue I'm having with the quick-turning of our Inkling ADLO friends (I'm not taking sides on the Little Ones' names). If those infected by these seemingly genetically altered zombies start displaying the same characteristics and traits of the Inklings (i.e. tough skin, pale complexion), how is it that these types have not become the majority within the zombie culture? Or at least how is it that we have not seen more of them? They are heartier, craftier, and seem to spread quicker than other types.

I suppose there have not been as many of them exposed to masses of people (only other zombies), and the cliffhanger in Boulder might be the first setting in which a lone Inkling comes into contact with a mass of humans. It might be setting the stage for an entire city to become super-zombies, like the Inklings.

I also suppose that it's possible that Michael Keaton's Multiplicity theory holds true: "A copy of a copy is not as crisp as the original," and those infected by ADLOs do not see the same quick physical developments. Even still, with the heartiness of such zombies, something is missing for me to explain why we have not seen more of these guys around - you'd think they'd be dominating the zombie culture by now.

Appreciate any thoughts/clarifications on this one, cause it's been gnawing at me.
I've been super busy lately, so I have caught up in one big chunk - forgive me if I'm repeating something that has been covered here. If so, can someone help point me to it?