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Ok, so why can't The Walking Dead producers get out of their own way when they are designing their episodes? They can't even manage to have one episode without some complete BULLSHIT that pulls you out of the story and makes you go "WTF??!?" such as:
- The Token Black Guy thing. All black guys on TWD should automatically get hazard pay.
- Crazy, nonsensical segments with hermits in the woods who subsist on nothing but dog hair for an entire year and seem completely unaware that ZOMBIES HAVE TAKEN OVER THE FUCKING EARTH, despite the fact they live dead-center in the 'Red Zone'...
- Apparently, skulls don't exist in the Zompocalypse, given that one can slide a knife or machete into the head of another zombie or human with the same resistance as SLICING THROUGH A WET TURD
- Body appendages that pop like ripe grapefruit as soon as they are grazed by zombie teeth. What the hell is that? The Zs have razor teeth or something? A zombie infection makes you grow f'ing barracuda fangs???
- Ok, let me get this straight: you can freely smear yourself in zombie guts, have zombie blood freely and liberally sprayed all over your face, even DISEMBOWEL the fuckers with your bare hands, snapping their zombified bones to make bone daggers with, but as soon as you get bit, you're done for? Uh, yeah.... that makes TONS of sense.
There's more where that came from, but I just had to let loose on the injustice that We're Alive can't get picked up as a show, but The Walking Dead freely executes such lazy, amateuristic bullshit...
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wanna see a magic trick?
TADAAAAAAAAAA!
Damn, I have to see the third season soon!!!
What should I call the image sequence: Zombie-Blacksploitation?
anyone else feel as though TWD is starting to get a little boring? either that or listening to WA has made me notice everything TWD is lacking, lol.
Meh. It's really spiralled into a soap opera.
I agree.
Also, anyone else feel like the Governor seems like a copy of Bill Compton from True Blood?
yeah, this episode was not as good, i actually looked at the clock wondering how much more there was to the episode. it just seemed really slow. rick needs to go cray again and liven things up a bit. was a little dissapointed andrea didn't goose the guv'na with that shiv she had, but then, he is a cray but somewhat interesting character. they need to get off the faction warfare, the sooner the better. NEEDS MOAR ZOMBEHS
Ok, I'm still pissed and I just can't get over it, and I need to vent. So many things about this episode rang false, such as:
- Uh, what THE HELL did the Governor need with those tools from the torture room in the first place? And why did he decide to send Milton after them instead of grabbing them himself?? Oh yeah, I know: BECAUSE THE SHITTY WRITERS NEEDED TO MANUFACTURE A MEANS FOR ANDREA TO FREE HERSELF, that's why!!!
- What was Team Rick's plan for defending the prison, exactly? Drop a couple tear gas canisters, send in 2 walkers, then have Glenn and Maggie scare everyone away? If Morgan has joined the group, the Governor would still be in the Tombs, impaled on a booby trap right now. That was a lame-assed plan, Rick!
- Amazing that, despite all those deaths, not a single person died at the prison assault, despite hundred of rounds being sprayed back and forth. Glen and Maggie apparently have been taking shooting lessons from Tyreese, given that they couldn't manage to hit a dozen and a half enemies running with NO COVER across the prison yard, even though they had automatic weapons!
- Why THE FUCK does it take Andrea SO LONG to go after those pliers, anyway? Milton gets stabbed and is definitely going to die and turn into a girl-chomping walker. So Andrea chooses to take her SWEET ASS TIME trying to get the the pliers, even stopping altogether while chatting with the soon-to-be-walker Milton. I guess she can't walk and chew gum at the same time, either...
- So after Tyreese and Sasha have their nice little visit with the Woodbury Bingo Club, she offers to take over on watch, but he says, no... there is somewhere he has to go. So I'm like, "Ok, he's going to be the one to save Andrea at the last minute and free her." But no, he never shows up, and it is never explained where the hell he went, or why. Was he taking a leak??
- Ok, and the massacre: the Governor starts spraying into a crowd of FULLY ARMED people, who- instead of, uh, I dunno, FIRING BACK- decide it's a much better plan to try and run for it ACROSS AN OPEN FIELD. Yeah, that was brilliant thinking on their part.
- And, speaking of that: do they have access to some magical teleport machine or something? The Governor started shooting the crowd on ONE side of the trucks, then suddenly the majority of the crowd appears 30 yards away on the OTHER side of the trucks! You'd think if they had any brains they would have teleported a bit further, y'know, like to the ARMORY in Woodbury or something...
- The Governor then manages to escape death for the 24th time this series when Allen can't manage to pull his trigger finger back TWO CENTIMETERS in the time it takes the Governor to raise his ENTIRE ARM and bury a round in his forehead. But we can understand Allen's hesitation, can't we? It's not as if the Governor had just confirmed beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is a DANGEROUS PSYCHOPATH on a murderous rampage or anything. He was like Rick from Season 2 all over again...
- Then there was Martinez and G-Dog (that's short for Governor's T-Dog, who also apparently can't get any lines), who decide to stand by WITH THEIR THUMBS UP THEIR ASSES while the massacre unfolds. I guess they were just so mesmerized by the Governor's 'leadership skills' that they never even thought to send a round through his skull while his back was turned.
- Here's the biggest thing: WHERE THE FUCK DID THE GOVERNOR GO??? He was SO hell-bent on vengeance that he mowed down his entire crew when they split, then after that he went... where, exactly? Did he go shopping? Did he decide to stop for a latte before resuming his attack on the prison? HEY, WRITERS OF THE WALKING DEAD: when you have a conflict between a protagonist and an antagonist, YOU NEED TO RESOLVE THAT SHIT, not drag it out into the next season!!! So you expect us to believe the governor was so single-mindedly bent on revenge that he just HAD to go stock up on some more eye-patches before taking up arms once again on Rick & Co? Nice move, Walking Dead! WAY to leave us hanging!
-But no worries! Rick now has a mini-army of pussies and geriatrics to help him defend the prison against...3 guys! And they graciously decided to leave ALL THE FUCKING SUPPLIES AND RESOURCES at Woodbury where they were, just in case any roaming walker needs to make use of them. The prison is SOOOOO much more comfortable, after all, and so much easier to defend (blown out guard towers and torn down gates notwithstanding).
- The only character who showed any sense this entire episode was Carl, who didn't flinch when that Woodbury guy was obviously about to lunge at him while handing over his weapon. Carl DID NOT "gun him down", as Hershel says- he saw a threat, and he neutralized it... the same thing Rick should have done while meeting with the Governor a few episodes back.
- Now we know why Glen Mazarra is leaving TWD: he must have actually cared about a coherent story. The producers decision to stay put at the prison was OBVIOUSLY financially motivated: no new sets to build, no new locations to scout, etc. Fasten you seat belts, everyone! The prison is about to become the new Farm! Get yourself ready for half a dozen future episodes when Carl runs off and kills a few walkers while Rick tries to talk him back to civilization...
This bullshit is exactly why Kc needs to keep We're Alive far, far away from any TV network suits or movie producers. When production costs become more important than producing a good artistic product (or even a halfway believable one!), then this kind of writer's room hack-job is the result. Count this as the last Walking Dead I'm watching-- this show and I are officially DONE! : :mad: :mad: :mad:
The fact that so many people seem to have liked the finale makes me dubious about the collective intelligence of the human race...
Almost every point you made, Litmaster, I agree with... Albeit in a rather more toned down manner, lol. The thing is, I thought that season 3 was going fairly well up until the finale where they decided to nose dive it into the ground. It seems a very simple matter for them to cap off a good season with a good finale, but I suppose it wasn't. I couldn't help myself to compare it to We're Alive's season 3 finale, which was one of the most spectacular finales I've ever experienced.
A further complaint: why would the Governor lead his troops into the deeps of the prison in the first place? Perhaps he should have had Admiral Ackbar with him, because very obviously "it's a trap!" Well anyway, whatever, there's still Game of Thrones for me to be excited about.
It's TV and I expect so little from it. I don't remember any time that I might have expected so much that I was left so dissapointed. I like and watch WD, but I'm not pasionate about it. Although I do remember thinking to myself "why are you going into the 'catacombs' with everyone?!?!" That was dumb, but again, It's been so long that I've been impressed with seeing something that makes entire sense, but I enjoyed it for what it was, mindless entertainment.
You know, what is even more disturbing for me is reading some of the many pro-finale comments about the Walking Dead on facebook. Holy shit, I am really disturbed at what absolute garbage people are so willing to consume. Their biggest complaint against 'haters' is that the finale did not have enough blood and gore!
Are you fucking serious??? It's not the gore that's the problem: the problem is the story IS FUCKING STUPID! The writers continually to expect us to digest unrealistic scenarios even while they are pissing in our face! Even aside from all the commercials and product placement bullshit, I'm just tired of the writers of the show just crudely manipulating scenes to reach their own ends. Believability just goes out the window.
I'll stick with We're Alive, thanks. I don't care if the audience is comparatively small; at least this is one place where the writer hasn't sold his soul to the profit machine...
So I know this show is probably laughed at by people on this forum but did anyone see the Premier this Sunday? Again it was an hour long of nothing but there is a supposed "wrench" that has just been thrown in the whole system.
Thoughts if you saw it?
Swine Flu or Cholera Hence the Sick pig, Sick Boy then we get Dead Pig, Dead Boy.. Now is there a Zombie Pig Boy running around spreading 2 viruses?
Oh lord have mercy its raining Zombies. I think that was on of the funnier scenes from the series.. Lots of Softies over time. That became very juicy when they hit the floor. I guess it also took on a new meaning to Let the Bodies hit the Floor..
I like the series. It has it moments when I question WHY. but its still a decent show. I think this season will get better. Like anything the first few chapters have to lay the ground work for what is to come..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04F4xlWSFh0
I think this first episode was a very solid start. I wasn't sure how they were going to make the ridiculous 'we're taking in everybody' mentality of the season 3 finale work, but they did pretty well (of course, it helps that they had a time jump, that always helps). Also it kind of confused me as to how all those zombies on the roof managed to be there... I mean, they ALL went up on that roof to die? I suppose. Very cool set-piece though.
I'm assuming that several were on the chopper, possibly overloaded, and thats one reason it may have crashed killing them and they became zombies....plus several people could have been on the roof running from zombies and died when it crashed on them.
I do like TWD...but the writting kills me some times....WA tells a much more believable story with the character reactions/interactions, and is over all just "better".
This episode was ok...interested in seeing how this dead pig hing works out...got two dead/dying pigs and a sick boy... also liked the creepy lady in the woods.
I may have missed the dead on the roof but yes as everyone is infected i'm guessing they were originally survivors on the roof waiting for help and died off.
This latest episode was kind of cool. We find out that the gentle Carol is now a murderer but was it a mercy murder? And there is a Super Horde of Z's headed for the prison. So look for everyone to evacuate in a few episodes.
I couldn't wait for this season to start , now I can't wait for it to finish so that something interesting actually happens . I can only take so many episodes of character development with no movement on the plot !
Love
Nina
Anyone else look at the Governor's beard and think, RANDY!?
Witch_Doctor. I had the same thought the other night.. That's funny..
I agree. So now the Governor has a "Randy beard" and Herschel's still sporting a "Burt beard"
Nina,
This is mainstream television these days. After the last two seasons, I'm actually happier with this season. I can't pinpoint it but I feel a lot has happened. Yes, minimal plot movement but at least the character development has been significant. I would much rather these past two episodes of Governor and Carol expulsion over 3 episodes of The Old Man crying that we can't kill that prisoner its not right, or Carl? Carl! Where's Carl I'm such a terrible mother because I can't keep tabs on my own son who wears a size 40 Cowboy hat everywhere!, or endless episodes of pacing in the prison.
Had to vent lol. But Yes, if we get one more episode of simply character development I will start to get restless. I was up in arms about the way last season ended, they teased us about a great war for 9 episodes and the 10th episode the 'war' lasted 2 minutes, no one died, and the Gov. shot all the deserters ... not worth 2.5 months of build up.
The 'book readers' tell me the shows about to get awesome but i'm not as enthused as they are. BTW Little girl is going to turn, Gov. will have to shoot her, thats my guess. Her little dolly shes holding looks a lot like the girl Rick had to gun down in Ep 1.
I am so fucking looking forward to getting the fourth season here in Germany. What a piece of good television art. Whoa, the mid-season episode that was aired yesterday must have been quite good, too.
Well, you called that one !
Episode 8 was fantastic, but it showed why the three episodes that proceeded it were just filler . I'd rather just half a dozen episodes a season at this pace than the dozen or so we're subjected to ! You just know the next three episodes will be talking about the events of this episode !
Ugh, here we go with another inconsistent episode of "The Walking Dead", this time titled 'Inmates'. I do not understand Walking Dead fans, who drool and rave over every episode, no matter what kind of bullshit is shoveled forth. The show is popular as hell, but you have to all but turn your brain off in order to enjoy it even a little.
I honestly don't know why I still watch this show, when the writing is so bad and the producers are continually pissing in the viewers' faces with bullshit, implausible scenes and poor decision making. I'm just hate-watching the show at this point, because of things like this:
- Kid Actors Who Can't Act: Ok, I get that it's difficult to find quality talent at that age, but these girls are just horrible actors. I mean bad, like they could have picked any two random girls at the same age and got about the same result. The scene where Lizzy was trying to smother the baby was only disturbing because of the content, but the acting was unconvincing.
- Stupid Decision-Making: So Tyreese's best idea at hearing a noise in the distance is to leave 2 kids and a baby alone in the woods? And Glen somehow manages to get up on the 2nd level of the prison before he crashed for the night, but didn't bother securing the door behind him, even with a prison full of walkers? Then Sasha is just about to open the back door of the bus and let a stream of walkers loose, so she decides to lay her assault rife down JUST UNDER THE DOOR where it will be inaccessible to her once they emerge??
- General Bullshit we're expected to swallow:
So Daryl can cap 15,000 walkers with the same 5 arrows, and NONE of them ever break or become unusable after so many repeated head shots?
Then Glen can armor up and barrel his way through 50-odd walkers, only to pass out after killing just four, even though he had time to rest?
Speaking of Glen, what the hell was he even doing up on the 2nd floor of the prison in the first place? How did he even get up there? And how was it that he was alseep/passed out? It's as if the show-runners just came up with the initial idea of staging the shot pictured above ("Hey guys! I've got a great idea!! Let's have a shot of Glen, hanging off the edge of a ledge, with a horde of zombies down below, reaching up for him!!"). So great, they stage the shot, without ever bothering to justify how the fuck Glen got into that compromising position in the first place. As a viewer, I considering this lazy and insulting to my intelligence, as if the show runners don't feel the need to justify their shit, plot-wise, because all we idiot viewers really want to see is some cool kill scenes with zombies. So we're all dumb-asses, according to AMC.
And the medic dude can take a bullet through his shoulder, and the only thing that needs to happen is to splash the wound in whiskey, wrap it (badly) in a dirty t-shirt, and he's good to go? This is apparently all you need to know in Hollywood medical school...
AMC, in all their infinite wisdom, SHOWED US THAT GLEN WAS ALIVE in their promos, then proceed to WASTE OUR TIME with the 10-odd minute 'Maggie looks for Hubby on the Bus' scene, which featured the most anti-climactic reveal in the history of tv with that walker at the end, which of course coincidentally had black hair just like Glen.
Speaking of that, so you have a whole busload of prison redshirts who escape the carnage at the prison, only to somehow get overrun a few miles down the road? How exactly did that happen? And how the fuck did NONE of them manage to even get off the bus, despite there being two exits? Why? Because FUCK YOU, VIEWER... that's why. That is AMC's answer.
I could keep going, but I'll cap it there. :mad::mad::mad:
I hear you Litmaster.
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One of the people who has greatly shaped my view of art, and of storytelling in particular, is the late American novelist John Gardner, who was well known for being a very good novelist and critic, a balance that many artists find difficult to maintain. At any rate, his critical work The Art of Fiction still influences me today (if you have the time, I highly recommend reading the entire PDF linked there), particularly Gardener's notion that fiction should create, in the mind of the reader (viewer), a "vivid and continuous dream" from which the reader should not awaken from until the conclusion of the story. If anything disrupts that dream, jarring the reader 'awake' and reminding him/her that this is merely fiction and not reality, if any false note on the author's part disrupts the reader's suspension of disbelief.... then the author has failed. The quality of the art depends on the number of times the author, through his clumsiness, has 'awoken' his readers through various mishandling of the material.
I consider "The Walking Dead" poor art because it does nothing BUT wake the viewer from that vivid, continuous dream. "We're Alive" is much better, in that there have been relatively few times where I have 'woken up' from the story to think, "Wait a minute... that couldn't have really happened..." These jarring moments of awareness function like static on a radio transmission; the more static, the more difficult it is to focus on the transmission (story). At it's best, artistic technique is 'invisible' in that is calls no attention to itself, but only serves to augment, strengthen, and support the story being told...
I don't expect everyone on this forum to be in love with TWD. It's like expecting everyone on the Coca Cola forums to love Pepsi. But good lord Litmaster lol.
Seasons 2 and 3 were a total shit show. I agree with everything you ranted about in those seasons. (Daryl riding a damn chopper and no one is worried about the noise that makes?). If you read through my prior posts in this thread I even ranted about the show!
This Season however, from what I've read, there is a new show runner. The first half of this season was spent giving the viewers the ending that season 3 should have had. Thats why we had 2 filler episodes of the Governor and him essentially getting Woodbury back and attacking the prison once again. The new show runner wanted a proper ending to that saga.
This half season has started off, eh, ok for me. I like it a lot more than the last 2 seasons. Yes there were some dumb decisions made but lets be honest, not everyone reacts the way they should in high stress moments. If I was Tyreese i don't think I would have told those kids to come with me as I inspect the noise, what happens if i have to run in the other direction and those kids are right behind me? They probably can't run as fast as I can. Then you'd be raging about why he took the kids with him to inspect the noise.
Sasha laying her gun down, admittedly was stupid. But then again so was the idea to let them out, why not just look through the damn windows, stab them through said windows, any number of ways to handle that situation. Not all of them are going to be ideal.
Maggie searching through to find Glen, yes we know he's alive, but she doesn't. Would you rather us not go through that part of her character progression and just skip to the part where they meet up? Is Maggie not supposed to think her fiance didn't make it out? Lets compare this to Saul and Lizzy, why did KC bother with all the episodes of Lizzy leaving messages on her tape recorder, we already know she's ok at the colony. Saul's ok to so lets just skip to where he finds her at the colony.
The bullet wound through the shoulder. He knows Whisky and a dirty rag aren't enough, but what else do they have at they're disposal? They had to run and leave everything remember? Its good enough for the night.
These first two episodes of the season I think were pretty good. Everyone is scattered its very easy to get killed at any turn because there is no longer a safe four walls of a prison. And Tank blasts probably attracted walkers from everywhere in a 10mi area for gods sakes. So yes I think you can escape the prison only to be gotten 2 miles away in the woods. Not everyone is Bear Grylls, the ultimate survivor.
I get it this show is annoying more often then not, but if its not a show your liking, you have to do yourself and your stress a favor and stop watching ha. I am giving this show some more leeway as there is a new show runner. And FINALLY some new characters. Abraham and the Hunters have arrived.
amen, bullethead
I think too often people try to take any story within the television medium too seriously. the walking dead (t.v.) is based from a comic book. the storytelling within that medium is nowhere near as intense as -say- novels...or even a properly written, scripted movie, or hell-an original story'ed television show for that matter. the idea of the show has been flawed from the beginning of season two in my opinion. when frank darabont left the show, the whole "too many cooks spoil the soup" factor kicked in...and this show went from something possibly great to what could arguably the best shitty show on television.
that said, I liked season three...and ive liked everything we have gotten in season four, including this last episode. why? how? I don't take a show like this too seriously.... this show is good eye candy. for me its never going to be something amazing. if I want amazing television, ill watch x-files reruns.
Question for you litmaster. have you read the novels? I personally have not either, and im only mid-way through the actual comic series...but one thing I do hear consistently is ; Robert kirkman is not actually a good writer..he's just telling a unique story. from what ive read in the comics, I would tend to agree.....and THAT is (some of) the source material for the show
I've never read the comics. I started with watching the show and I'd like to live in that "reality" same with Game of Thrones (although my lady is slowling trying to convert me to a book reader).
That said there are plenty of things I find that I don't like about the show. (Where did the Winter go? We just glossed over that at the start of Season 2. I find that not many would survive when you can't grow crops and your food started to die off or what have you in the winter) But I have come to terms with what the show is and what it isn't...Still an enjoyable 45 minutes of my Sunday.
Now would anyone (mostly a show watcher not a comic reader as you know about everything I could possibly theorize) like to discuss the show? What were your thoughts of the first two episodes?
Anyone happy that Bob made it? I am. Sure he put lives at risk, but I can't get mad at a man wanting to get his drink on. Its the end of the world dangit, I'd be looking for liquor every night as well. We can't all be Daryl.
Heh heh.... yeah, sorry. I was again annoyed at the show and had no one else to rant to so I just crapped out all my aggravation on this thread. You made some good points, but I guess Todd is right in that I'm just expecting too much from the show and taking it too seriously. I guess I WANT to like the show more than I actually do. Or, maybe I just feel some perverse satisfaction from hating the show's stupidity. :nik:
I read about half of "The Road to Woodbury" last Christmas when I went to visit my sister's family. Also, I read through all the comics up until about last October (I rent them free from the library; wouldn't actually pay for them myself). I agree that Kirkman is not really a great writer, but he has come up with a compelling (if not unique) story concept [zombie apocalypse]. Perhaps that is part of my frustration: here you have an interesting story concept, but a poorly told (TV) story, disrupted at various points with some poor acting, poorly setup scene situations, inconsistent character development, story decisions being influenced by economics and not story (i.e., lingering at the Farm and the Prison because new sets are expensive), etc.
The comic books are better than the tv version of TWD, but I have never really gotten much of the emotional impact reputed to be conveyed by the story, for all their graphic-ness at times (the Michonne torture scene, etc.). I think the comic format is just a weak medium to convey a serious, well-told story. It's like trying to paint a realistic portrait with finger paints...
In my opinion, no art form is perfectly able to tell a story, but if I had to rank some of them, I'd have to go with
1. the novel (especially for its ability to convey the thought of characters and potential for omniscient narration)
2. oral storytelling (live in a room with a skilled teller)
3. long-form motion pictures (i.e. mini-series or full series)
4. film (meaning a typical 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 hour movie)
Keep in mind this is best forms FOR TELLING A STORY. If conveying an emotion is the goal, then I would say music is the strongest art form in this regard. I know many would claim that film is best for storytelling because it combines both audio and visuals, with embedded music, etc. However, I disagree because film invariably forces things to get cut from the story and the pacing generally moves too fast to adequately develop character and situations. Also, film can't get around the reality that, no matter how good the story being told, it is limited by the fact that it is visual in nature: the audience is still watching everything on a rectangular box (whether in a theater or on a TV at home), which by it's very nature distances the viewer from the story. With literature, on the other hand, the story is created largely in the mind of the reader, and so it can be far more immersive than film can ever be.
With that in mind, I'd say video games are a medium that have a lot of potential to tell a great story, although this has largely gone underutilized, with most video games historically consisting of flashy visuals and exercises in hand-eye coordination. With advances in graphics and technology, video games are evolving to the point where they actually can be a vehicle for telling a great story, and are more 'immersive' than film in that the 'viewer' actually participates in creating the outcome of the story. I'd say Naughty Dog's "The Last of Us" is a good example of this trend:
Of course, the Walking Dead again fucks up in this department, with their stupid "Survival Instinct", a half-assed release panned by the majority of reviewers for being what it was: a quick money-grab. The Tell-Tale version was much better.
I still do not think Carol murdered those two people that were sick. I think she was covering for the psycho child. Both of the people that were killed were fence duty and killed "Nick" the one with the name tag that the psyco child was infatuated with.
Yep... I think so, too. Looks like they're setting it up that psycho Lizzy is going to kill her sister, or maybe even Judith (?!), then Carl is going to kill her off while the grown-ups are trying to figure out what to do.
Let's see how much I end up ranting about the stupid shit in tonight's episode...
I have to agree, Lizzy is a little psycho. I think she will kill again before Carol does something.
That scientist...me no trust...him have something brewing in head.
Best episode of the season tonight...