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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
yay!
my apologies that I accidentally took credit for your point. So why do they take the bodies with them? Well, we've already seen them keep stores of food (which are in theory now a smoldering pile of char right now), but could also be possible that the zombies have taken hostages for a more specific purpose? We saw that they kept zombies close by in buildings near the Tower, is it possible that they would know who is important to each group around the city? Assuming the zombies overwhelmed the Mallers and took them alive and dragged them back across the city to the hospital and the Tower area, could it be for the specific reason to create a rise out of the survivors they might encounter?Quote:
Originally Posted by GD_Elite
Maybe, maybe not. Just a thought.
could I use phrases like "Human beings of a younger age?" or "Those between that of infancy and young adulthood?" Maybe take some of the sting out of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kn1ckerb0cker33
Nah....those are too wordy. Screw it. I'mma go back to Children of the Corn from now on. That way I still get the effect, but the children of the corn can still rise up and murder me in horrific ways if they feel so inclined. ;)
Hmm, now that's an interesting theory. I originally thought that they were merely keeping them alive to turn them into "zombies," but maybe they are intelligent enough to isolate who could be important and lure out the remaining survivors. Maybe under the orders of Inky?Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Or perhaps they could be experimenting on them, creating new "abominations" a-la Warcraft III or maybe Paul has enough speech to interrogate them? Unlikely but an idea.
Can we just hope out loud that none of the zombies possess that much intelligence to interrogate? That would suck somethin' fierce...not in terms of a twist. I just mean for the characters. If the zombies keep that much of their higher brain function and aren't devolved to animals, I can't imagine how the tower (or any group for that matter) can survive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kn1ckerb0cker33
Nik, I have a slightly different take on behemoths. When ferral, they will fight / eat biters. But, in service of a smart one, these instincts can be suppressed in the rudimentary zombie society.
This is my first time on the forums. Please forgive my mistakes.
Some of my thoughts...
The Hospital Team have been chased into a room with no exit, a Zombie growls, and I think the door is shut [00:58]. I can't decide if the team shut it or if the Zombie did, but I think this is the door shown in the artwork and will lead to the team meeting the Person in the artwork. I think this Person is someone with influence over the zombies and is probably the "Paul" suit/tattoo zombie. If it's not "Paul", then someone new who was involved with the original cause of the zombie crisis is going to be revealed. I don't think this identity will be revealed till Part 3 or Chapter 24.
I think what Tanya found in the journals is not evidence for the traitor but evidence for the theory of an outside force working around or above the zombies. I thought it strange for zombies to dig up dead bodies with no tools, but had believed they had until this chapter. I think something is making Tanya think someone other than the zombies dug up the bodies. This is one reason why I think the Person the Hospital Team meets could be a non-zombie and is part of some mastermind group, probably the group that started the zombie crisis to begin with.
The zombies are now carrying around live, non-zombie people. They could be for being eaten, but I think there is a bigger plan for them. These people will be used either to gather/produce food, or there will be forced reproduction for continual (but very slow) food production or for more zombies. I'm wondering if all the live people being captured are women, like Tanya. I re-listened to "Purgatory Part 3", and from where the audio of Samantha stops she may not have died. I could be wrong and have forgotten something Datu has said since then. But based on how well the zombies were guarding Tanya before leaving her behind, I think these live people are more important than being a meal.
Thanks for letting me share my thoughts.
What a great ep. Some thoughts/theories I have
I am thinking the same thing as ZacTMac here that we will soon meet up with a non-infected in the hospital, maybe a cliffhanger for the finale.
I think the zombies had a backup base of operations at the hospital in case something happened at the Arena. Now they are just making the journey to base #2 when Riley and Bert see them. I don't think they were trying to hunt them down. I also believe that Lizzie/Tardust?Bricks are among the live bodies being dragged with them.
My guess is that Saul is still free out there, tracking a group and they will lead him to the hospital. Or he's gonna go Rambo at the tower and help clear out there trouble first. Not sure which I am most confident in.
I was thinking on this too, but kept wondering back to the Samantha/Kalani/Datu scenario; there we got a first-hand glipse into what they are doing with survivors. They drag them back to thier hive, starve them for a few days, then tear them to shreds. Why? I was wondering if they were just doing it for fun, or to please the "one with markings" through some sort of ritualistic offering. Then again they could have been holding them as bait, hoping that a larger group would come to thier rescue.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
On thinking back to these chapters I got to wondering about Ink and the one with markings. If they are two seperate leader type zombies, are they working together? Didn't Samantha say that thier Tower was over run by a zombie that infiltrated thier building then opened the way for other Zombies to get in? That sounds just like Pin Stripes M.O. So if Samantha wound up at the arena, and her building was infiltrated by Pin Stripes, then can we assume Pin Stripes is working with the main horde, the horde that appears to have relocated at the arena?
Anyway, getting back to the survivors being dragged around by the horde at the hospital. Taking the title of the Chapter into consideration, I am going to go out on a limb and say that one of the reasons they keep survivors is to experiment on turning them into new types of zombies. I can imagine seeing pin stripes (who I firmly believe is Ink) experimenting on the survivors to create his children--the small ones. Hopefully this just involves some biting or the mixing of infected blood with survivor blood and not something horribly morbid; like zombies raping survivors.
If I were in the hospital right now getting to the roof and checking to see in the helicopter works would be priority one. They have a pilot with them, if the copter starts which Kalani though it would its really the only way out of the hospital that doesn't involve becoming dinner or a zombie. Still I'm pretty sure at least 1 of the 4 isn't coming back to the tower. If the hoard is as large as it sounds, Micheal will not risk a rescue mission. Resources are spread too thin. The 4 on on their own to find a way out. Time for a hail mary pass..... I hope it works.
This is a random idea that I'm not very confident about but I thought I'd post it in case it spawns some better notions: do you think the horde that arrived at the Hospital could be the group that attacked the Mallers in the park ambush? I'm thinking the bodies they have in tow are the slaves the mallers left behind.
The only thing that makes me think this is wrong is that there are Behemoths with this horde and I have't heard Bert mention any little ones. So I'm thinking this isn't that group. But bear with me while I toss out a random little story line: Ink/Pin Stripes has been using the hospital as a base of operations, along with a handful of other Smart Ones. Slowly Ink has been amassing an army, a group that is seperate from the horde at the Arena. With the destruction of the arena, Ink was able to recruit a great number of refugees from there. The result being the great horde that now returns to the hospital. To thin?
"It's Paul... .... .. You food?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Kn1ckerb0cker33
Can't wait for that interrogation scene! Please let it be Kalani who gets interrogated!
I think it should be obvious that the zombies are organised when the pin stripe/ink/"paul"/the one with markings is about, and it would appear that he is commanding them - both convoy ambushes/attack on the towers. I don't think it's too far of a stretch to say that he has the ability to order the other kinds about too. I believe that they will follow orders from him, whether this order is to take someone alive, attack where it tells them to, or in the case of the big ones, don't eat the other zombies. I'm thinking this could be either a military type order, or as previosuly referenced in the story, an insect-like system.
What seems odd is the difference between the experiences of the tower, skittles and the colony. Members of the tower/mallers know about the zombies being capable of being organised. Whereas it would appear skittles hasn't. From what we've heard, his experiences are of the different kinds in the wild, in small packs or alone. He thought the jumpers were gone, but we've only seen them during an organised attack on the tower. On the other hand, the colony hasn't even seen any different kinds or an organised attack. It's strange because I'd imagine that after the initial wave of biters, the different kinds would come out too.
After some thinking, I'm putting forward my theory. So the zombies are at a hospital, and one particular zombie that is injured that we know of has an arrow in its eye. It is possible that one of the big ones is the same one. As well as the fact that there are some char-grilled zombies walking round, maybe they need some fixing. Crazy idea, but when a couple of points lead to something, I'm sticking a flag in it.
Considering we have gone 5 episodes without hearing from Lizzy, I reckon it's highly likely that she hasn't been conscious for most of the time between the explosion and now. I know that the story telling doesnt always keep to chronology, but I think that this makes it very likely that she will have been captured by the zombies. If we do go back to seeing the story from Lizzys point of view, then I think it would probably be as her waking up being held as a prisoner or being dragged along by the zombies.
Just had another thought. What if the zombies are wanting to use human body parts as repairs. Brings a new meaning to the phrase, "an eye for an eye".
Anyone think its sad that Saul and Lizzy weren't there to witness Burt talking about his buddha belly. :(
@nikvoodoo sorry about the wall of text, I think i got a bit excited lol. But at least I don't get classed as a 'kid' :)
Im addition to the slaves that the mallers left, there were mallers themselves that were ripped out of the cab. And lets not forget that when Tar and Bricks grabbed Lizzy, they were looking for escaped slaves. So, there are a lot of people around to be fresh meat.
Even before *star* members got to the Hospital, I was very afraid of the building being over-run and the Helicopter's battery is dead.
Anyone else notice how angry Angel's been recently. RATTY, you might say. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha...Geddit?...Ratty?...
No, but seriously, he's been really short-tempered recently. Just worth a note.
I know I get snappy when I don't get enough sleep. Maybe he isn't sleeping well. Then again, would you be if you were stuck in the middle of a zombie apocalypse?
(And no, I don't think that Angel is the rat. Just a joke. :p)
WHo was Randy?
This question has been asked quite a bit. I realize there is quite a bit to cover in the entire thread, but you'd find your answer a few pages into this topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by kdalton
So far, all we know is that Michael muttered his name while under a medication at the colony, right after his arm surgery. Hope asks, "Who's Randy?", explaining that Michael said his name while asleep. Michael brushes the question off of course. So other than that is what we got in this current chapter; that Randy is a male with long brown hair and a beard. It is unknown whether he has always been a zombie or if he only recently turned. Other than that, there's a ton of speculation that you can find in this thread:
http://zombiepodcast.com/forum/showt...65-Randy-Randi
And also some ideas mentioned in this thread you are now in.
Sorry if someone has already said this but first off the way Burt was narrating it i think he is explaining himself to the mallers. Second I think Randy is a smart one and is Michael is his brother/army buddy and recognized him so he helped. third the bodies the zombies were carrying were the bodies of the mallers and Lizzie. Finialy at the end of this chapter i think saul will come in to save the day with a kick ass one liner
@ Don Man: Just curious as to what makes you think he is explaining it to the mallers? Also, Michael said he is an only child, and I don't think he really had any army buddys.
you're fine! I simply skipped over one sentence in among all your thoughts and theories.Quote:
Originally Posted by GD_Elite
They may not be "buddies" in the civilian sense of the word, but I know if my husband saw guys from his platoon he'd say, "Hey blah blah blah." Maybe it was someone he served with and was close to in the field, those relationships don't always transfer to civilian life. Or maybe Michael's bi and this is a guy he had a crush on, who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by GD_Elite
I think if Bert is explaining the story to anyone its the guy in the artwork in the hospital
Now I'm imaging a zombie running around yelling "OOOO YEAAHHHH!" and dropping elbows on people.
Slim Jims are step one to leading a healthy zombie life
My theroy is they find something strange in the hosbital and or they get to the roof and lock themselfs up there and its a race to fix the helicopter and escape the army below and or when there flying away angel pulls a cigar out and says "hosta la vista baby!'' -pulls out c4 detnator- "BOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!" and the hosbital crumbles to the ground! and kalani says "what the hell was that!!!!!" angel says "just tieing up some lose ends" -while the helicopter flys away into the sunset. no louder than a church mouse wisper angel says ''take that"
FUBAR Facepalm
We hope that the keys to the copter are somewhere near by and we can find them
We hope that the skids are not chained to the structure and can find those keys also.
We hope that the copter is in servisable conditon.
We hope the battery retains enough cranking amps to start the engine
We hope that the copter is fueled and ready to go
We hope to get there before the zombies do.
We hope there are not already at the copter
We hope it is not a trap
And this just some of the copter possibilities, not to mention the plan to get there
If any one of these conditions is not met, what is the contingency plan for it?
If the copter is SNAFU what is that contingency plan?
alright, they're all going to rush to the copter, they will get the keys and they will fly out of there. but once they reach it they're going to need to buy some time, that's when Burt comes in. he will sacrifice himself to buy the other guys enough time to escape, he will die.
i just hope his last words are, "Smile, you Son of a BITCH!" :D
hmm interesting theory but i think if their is gonna be a sacrifice its gonna be angel. and the only reason i say that is because it wont be riley cause he wouldnt dare let her be and burt is the one who is telling the story....you hear him try to explain it as he remembers what happened. but thats if...if saul doesnt do something that might draw them away. theres alot of people and factors that we cant just write off just yet. now i dont think mike an the tower is gonna be able to do much cause theyre surrounded for the time being.
Yeah, it totally could be angel. it would also give him a chance to proclaim his love for Riley, which could lead to her finally announcing her Sexual Preference. hmmm...Quote:
Originally Posted by SnipesR1
Hmmm.........HOT! lol i think riley is the girl with the looks but not the girl who cooks and cleans lol offtopicQuote:
Originally Posted by smalls kenobi
ahh plus another thought, burt likely has his C4 still on him, and since he was toying around with remote detonation at the airport i think theres a good chance that could play a part in saving them from the hospital so they can "Get To The CHOPPER!" haha
im kinda on the thought of if anyone important dies it will be in some kind of worst case scenario invasion of the tower by the Z army and the tower looses a few people while trying to get out in the chopper/s in the finale which im assuming is coming very soon.
So you're thinking shades of the Fall of Saigon, with the survivors escaping the rooftop by helicopter as the zombies/Mallers/others over-run the Tower?Quote:
Originally Posted by SnipesR1
Kalani already used that quote when he fed a behemoth a mouthful of copper coated lead.Quote:
Originally Posted by smalls kenobi
@GD_Elite Ok my first point is dumb i see that know I just got lost in the magic of that episode and Michael could have been lying to hide his emotions for his brother he has hid his emotions before
You know, I actually think that there is a slight possibility that Randy could be Michael's brother/step brother. When Kelly asked him if he had any siblings he answered, "No. I'm an only child." She then replies that he doesn't fit the only-child-type. I don't know if this was her realization that he's lying, since she the resident expert, or just casual conversation. Michael hasn't been quite the honest type. He withholds information and tells actual lies to the group.
Some examples are when in 1-2 Angel asks him if he has family. He responds "Yeah, sorta. My parents live in Northern California, outside Lois Obispo." I realize he's probably not ready to talk about his dead parents, but he doesn't have to be so shady about it. Later in 1-3 Riley is trying to have a heart-to-heart with the guy after they double tap Cindy. She says, "You don't have anyone, do you?" He angrily replies, "Well maybe I do, and maybe I don't! What does it matter?" A bit touchy. It could be possible that seeing Cindy die he is reminded of his brother and is actually hurting a bit. But because he is an escapist who refuses to face his difficult emotions, he chooses to be dodgy on the subject.
I'm going to go back to some of the earlier chapters with the thought that Michael has a missing brother in my mind. It could help me pick up on some subtle clues, particularly around the Water Pumping Station episodes.
Speaking of water pumping station, I wonder when Michael's broken arm and how he escaped will be addressed in future episodes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
And since there has been so much speculation as to what will happen in the hospital, I'll take a wild guess and it will kinda be like "Mercy Hospital" in Left 4 Dead XD.
