crackpot theories and thoughts

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

The only thing that is completely implausible about this scenario is Scratch found Mr. Whiskers since we know the Mallers have already come and gone.....

.....that and I think we got the original name of the owner when we discovered Mr. Whiskers....you'd figure Datu would know already that Scratch had a big scar on her face and might have made the connection....After all....he is very resourceful.

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dammit nik...you shot down an obvious way to paint datu into the rat corner here. perhaps not the "mr. whiskers was scratches cat" bit, but the fact that scratch actually lived at the tower. heh, grasping at straws i suppose. but it could explain a few things

another thing is i just went back through this entire thread. theres actually a TON of really good reading material from many of us in here. i would suggest to many new members here reading though this thread(and of course many others) during the short break we have going on. a bunch of the ideas discussed here are actually things that may come to pass reeeeal soon.

Well, playing it up...

I do not think Datu has ever seen scratch. He was not with Saul Burt an Lizzy. He was not with Michael angel Burt Riley and Kelly. When scratch is in the spotlight before the war he is in bed recovering from the arena. During the rematch he is at Lax with Pegs.

Ggrrrr I cannot remember. Was it Tina? Datu tells us who owned the cat.

Tina sounds correct...not entirely sure

And the fact that datu has not been present during any of the towers run ins with scratch only makes it slightly less possible. While the reasons for his absence are quite legit, him not there means they have no visual contact...which is a plus if your trying to hide your identity.

Oh, I think it was Gina. I remembered Gina, but forgot to post it lol

relistened the other night, gina is absolutely correct

Okay, I have a crazy ass theory that is full of holes so this is the perfect thread for it.

It's a stretch but, what if Lizzie wandered too close to ground zero and that is why she was puking? I only make this long-shot assumption after considering that maybe, just maybe, after Scratch and Latch pick up Pippin, Kalani, and Hannah at LAX, they inadvertantly drive through ground zero. Hannah starts getting sick and pukes. Then she starts to turn. Scratch and Latch are like WTF? But Pippin freaks out, grabs Kalani's "Little Slugger" baseball bat and hits a homerun off the side of Hannah's noggin. Her body falls out of the vehicle, and Kalani jumps out to be with her. He then has to flee due to the effects of Ground Zero.

He later gets picked up by Shaun and taken back to CJ's Tower where he remains under observation for being sick (side effects of prolonged exposure at Ground Zero). Three days later CJ's tower is over run. Kalani is taken to the arena where he suffers some more. The Zeds realize he has some Ground Zero juice in him and let him be. Then they are rescued from the Arena just as the effects of Ground Zero exposure are wearing off of Kalani.

It's a stretch, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero

Okay, I have a crazy ass theory that is full of holes so this is the perfect thread for it.

It's a stretch but, what if Lizzie wandered too close to ground zero and that is why she was puking? I only make this long-shot assumption after considering that maybe, just maybe, after Scratch and Latch pick up Pippin, Kalani, and Hannah at LAX, they inadvertantly drive through ground zero. Hannah starts getting sick and pukes. Then she starts to turn. Scratch and Latch are like WTF? But Pippin freaks out, grabs Kalani's "Little Slugger" baseball bat and hits a homerun off the side of Hannah's noggin. Her body falls out of the vehicle, and Kalani jumps out to be with her. He then has to flee due to the effects of Ground Zero.

He later gets picked up by Shaun and taken back to CJ's Tower where he remains under observation for being sick (side effects of prolonged exposure at Ground Zero). Three days later CJ's tower is over run. Kalani is taken to the arena where he suffers some more. The Zeds realize he has some Ground Zero juice in him and let him be. Then they are rescued from the Arena just as the effects of Ground Zero exposure are wearing off of Kalani.

It's a stretch, isn't it?

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Hannah turning and being subsequently killed. Yes...the rest of it..not so much, bout like half my early posts in this thread:)

ok i got a couple of theories i want to put out there.
1st. what if the reason that "the One with the Markings" did not attack Skittles was because he knew he was mentally unstable. Ink was being held in an insane asylum because he was crazy, he later on became Paul/the one with the Marking. What if he knew that unstable people would become (or at least could become) "smart" zombies. he might not have wanted to risk infecting Skittles.
2nd. Tanya. if Tanya was naturally immune to the zombie blood, then she might have learned through an experience. (a.k.a. a bite/attack early on) if she did learn that she is immune then she would most likely want to run tests on how the zombie blood works.(that's why she was so interested in the journals, and the experiments) so if Tanya is immune she might be able to pass it down to her kids. also when she got to the tower it sounded that she knew that Saul couldn't possibly be infected. (i think Burt's shot went threw Tommy and got stuck in Saul)
3rd. i think CJ purposely gave Victor the yellow air tank because she knew she didnt fill the tank all the way. she wanted to do some tests, and figgured they would be good Guinea pigs.
well those are my thoughts so far. everyone let me know what you think.

I GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! it's all a commie plot to destroy America. BRING BACK THE BLACK LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :tinfoil:

I HAVE A THEORY!! (so proud of myself lol)i think the colonel will DIE!! dun dun dun!! not sure how but it would fit the story great. i dont know how many soldiers are at the base, or even there ranks, but if the colonel dies some else can take over. maybe SGT Cross? :) OR MAYBE even a certain Lieutenant!! :D

There's a lot of speculation that the One With The Markings is that Bill Roberts ("INK") from the TiVO'd news clip, but I think there's another potential candidate that is being overlooked.

How about the professor from Michael's class in the first episode? We have been told that the smarter you are, the smarter the zombie you would become, so a zombified professor would be a good candidate for a super smart zombie to rule them all.

Also KC voiced the professor and also provided the zombie calls. It would be a nice bit of continuity to have the same individual record the One with the Markings before and after he became a zombie.

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Originally Posted by Zombiphobe

There's a lot of speculation that the One With The Markings is that Bill Roberts ("INK") from the TiVO'd news clip, but I think there's another potential candidate that is being overlooked.

How about the professor from Michael's class in the first episode? We have been told that the smarter you are, the smarter the zombie you would become, so a zombified professor would be a good candidate for a super smart zombie to rule them all.

Also KC voiced the professor and also provided the zombie calls. It would be a nice bit of continuity to have the same individual record the One with the Markings before and after he became a zombie.

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A zombified professor with tattoos covering his entire body? I'd imagine that would be a feature Michael would remember from his good old college professor when he saw him in the hallway.

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

A zombified professor with tattoos covering his entire body? I'd imagine that would be a feature Michael would remember from his good old college professor when he saw him in the hallway.

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Plus if the professor had enough intelligence to be the one with the tattoo, then there would probably be a lot more ones that are as smart as ink

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

A zombified professor with tattoos covering his entire body? I'd imagine that would be a feature Michael would remember from his good old college professor when he saw him in the hallway.

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This is assuming the tattooing originated from before the outbreak. Didn't they find a tattoo gun in the hospital?

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Originally Posted by yoyoyoyo15

Plus if the professor had enough intelligence to be the one with the tattoo, then there would probably be a lot more ones that are as smart as ink

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His IQ might have been higher than his fellow professors or there might be other factors that helped him retain a higher degree of functionality.

I think it would be too big of a coincidence for the professor to be "our" smart one. He might have ended up as another smart one -- although being a professor is not exactly a guarantee of high intelligence.

What the fuck is going on in this thread?

Could the "zombies" be people infused with some sort of essence of dog?

• Dogs and Zombies both have an extremely good sense of smell.
• Zombie attack sounds are remarkably similar to dog snarls. For an example see Episode 3 - The New Arrivals - Part 1 of 3 (17:39).
• Zombies come in different varieties, much like dog breeds (greyhounds~runners, mastiffs~behemoths, chihuahuas~creepy little ones).
• Certain zombies ("howlers") call out to communicate over great distances similar to what wolves do when they howl.
• Zombies have been seen traveling in cliques or packs. Even in the first episode, Michael describes the attack on the honking car as being "like a pack of wild dogs".
• When reviewing the video of the sweat bottle experiment, Riley says that they were drooling like her dog did before he was neutered.
• Skittles described a behemoth chasing a cat up a dump truck. Dogs are known to chase cats.
• Dogs stereotypically do not like baths and Tommy was getting very belligerent about washing himself off just as he was starting to turn.
• At the beach house, Michael found a zombie that was rummaging in the pantry, eating dog food.
• Dogs are the only species of animal that we are told are immune to being turned. This might be because a dog infused with the essence of dog would still be a dog.
• Tanya says they seem to exhibit more animal traits than human.
• At the hospital, Kalani comments on the hair and nail clippings and says that it looks like someone was trimming a Great Dane.
• The One With The Markings appears to epitomize the alpha-dog role, with other zombies taking orders/direction from him.

With all of the comparisons and similarities to dogs, it is definitely something to ponder.

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Originally Posted by Zombiphobe

Could the "zombies" be people infused with some sort of essence of dog?

• Dogs and Zombies both have an extremely good sense of smell.
• Zombie attack sounds are remarkably similar to dog snarls. For an example see Episode 3 - The New Arrivals - Part 1 of 3 (17:39).
• Zombies come in different varieties, much like dog breeds (greyhounds~runners, mastiffs~behemoths, chihuahuas~creepy little ones).
• Certain zombies ("howlers") call out to communicate over great distances similar to what wolves do when they howl.
• Zombies have been seen traveling in cliques or packs. Even in the first episode, Michael describes the attack on the honking car as being "like a pack of wild dogs".
• When reviewing the video of the sweat bottle experiment, Riley says that they were drooling like her dog did before he was neutered.
• Skittles described a behemoth chasing a cat up a dump truck. Dogs are known to chase cats.
• Dogs stereotypically do not like baths and Tommy was getting very belligerent about washing himself off just as he was starting to turn.
• At the beach house, Michael found a zombie that was rummaging in the pantry, eating dog food.
• Dogs are the only species of animal that we are told are immune to being turned. This might be because a dog infused with the essence of dog would still be a dog.
• Tanya says they seem to exhibit more animal traits than human.
• At the hospital, Kalani comments on the hair and nail clippings and says that it looks like someone was trimming a Great Dane.
• The One With The Markings appears to epitomize the alpha-dog role, with other zombies taking orders/direction from him.

With all of the comparisons and similarities to dogs, it is definitely something to ponder.

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ive been over a lot of what your saying here, and i does all seem to add up when you compile it like that...but the simple truth is..theres soooo many things you could connect to things such as the dog theory..my personal fav. the ant theory..the restart of evolution theory, that you essentially are just playing connect the dots with whatever fits the scenario best. im not saying your wrong for doing so....im just sayin

I agree that the connections are a bit tenuous and the evidence, quite possibly circumstancial. That is why I've posted it under the crackpot theory thread and not one of the zombie origin threads.

But it makes me think of the La Brea Tar Pits in LA, where thousands of prehistoric dire wolves were trapped and fossilized. Could there be some underground connection to the cracks found at ground zero?

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I agree that the connections are a bit tenuous and the evidence, quite possibly circumstancial. That is why I've posted it under the crackpot theory thread and not one of the zombie origin threads.

But it makes me think of the La Brea Tar Pits in LA, where thousands of prehistoric dire wolves were trapped and fossilized. Could there be some underground connection to the cracks found at ground zero?

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NOW your talking...its perfectly fine to make all those connections...and then when you bring it all together with a statement like that^ ...thats a good crackpot theory!

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NOW your talking...its perfectly fine to make all those connections...and then when you bring it all together with a statement like that^ ...thats a good crackpot theory!

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Thanks 7odd! That means a lot coming from the guy that started the crackpot theory thread.

firstly, happy one year anniversary crackpot thread! im two days early but whatever....

so a few people have discussed the idea of a virus or bacteria based entity controling the bodies of the "zombies" in the story... for todays installment, i wanna explore that idea a bit.

so what do we have to go on with this theory? well, we have creatures that from outer appearances are corpses...but most every trait outside of that completely contradict the corpse idea. ("breathing", sleep, talking in a few cases..etc). we recently learned of the haze in inglewood, as well as the cracks in the ground that while not explicitly said..are the likely source of the haze. of course the behaviours of the pinstriped guy, the noted behaviours of the zombie community at large..yea. all the stuff...roll it in a giant ball of fuck all..but just the facts.

now, what do we have to speculate on? the obvivious one in my mind is the saul/tanya immunity thing. the true "source" of the haze (earthly or alien or wtfbbq)...why inky boy can speak(is he infected? is he not?) how the devil is he making the numbered ones..yea..bunch of stuff there as well.

so here we go...

for the sake of not dragging this thing out into a book format. im not even going to touch the idea of where did the haze originate. that is what it is, and regaurdless of its source...heavenly or hellish..it is alien to what we know on earth..and therefore defined here as alien. that said,
what if the "haze" is a living organism? or correctly said organisms...bacteria sized sentient beings. an interestesting adaptation of the way these beings fuctionality could work is explored in a "a fire upon the deep" by vernor vinge. wiki time!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Fire_Upon_the_Deep

for those not wanting to jump around, long story short. a race of dog like creatures, apart are similar to dogsin intellegence, get 4-7 of them together and their consciousness is the equivilent of human intellegence...large groups and it just becomes a jumble, confusing, rather non sapient....any of this sound familar????
so how about if the aliens in the haze take over a body, lets start at the origin point in inglewood. enter the body and feed on the body they reproduce themselves within their host...latching hold of all the primary functions of the host as rapidly as the can. without physical control of their own actions, for the split seconds before their own consciousness "ceases to be"...they watch this happen. perhaps its the endorphins, or serotonin released that this little alien bug thrives on reproduces...and spreads. heh, i need to go study up on my inner brain chemistry now..cause this perhaps could help explain a lot of the whole "smarter in life" idea...or hell, where behemoths come from...we have often wondered about the steroid angle..what if the thing that has infected the body(or corpse), simply feeds on chemical bonds?..like the bonds within serotonin levels of the human body..how fucked would that be?..ok, im getting sidetracked.

so we have set the stage for these little viral parasites..their growing in corpses, controlling them, making them do all kinds of messed up stuff. now, what if a proper chemical mix, or a proper chemical balance withing a body could neutralize these suckers? hell, maybe even make them able to cohabitate the human body right along side their host? perhaps thats what we have seen in saul/tanya. tanya seemed to know exactly what saul needed to be put on as far as his i.v. was concerned. now knowing that she's been bitten as well...leads me to believe that whatever her drug combo may have been does just that..neutralizes...now on the opposite end of the spectrum we have ole pinstripes..if a proper mix of foreign chemical bonds can neutralize the virus...could not an opposing concoction mutate it?..my feeling is thats the case with the little ones and the bigger little ones...he's just seeing what will happen.

holy crap...i dont even remember what the point of this post was.. i need to stop this stream of consciousness shit.

what if, hannah montana caused the outbreak? over exposure to the music of hannah montana may cause face eating and rage issues.

So I have no better place to put this idea...so it goes here.

So we know have Saul trying to figure out how to get Lizzy out of the colony..whatever it takes. We also have Saul, who can breathe at ground zero without any noticable effects. Where my thinking is going is sneak down to the colony with a Trojan horse of sorts...filled with the haze....done. Yea there's lots of small details to work out there..like how to safely get yourself(Saul) and your lady out of there safely...but hell...those details all work out in the end right?...

Well, if they used an airpack for lizzie, the one that isnt leaking that is, then Saul could move into and through the haze with her.

Except that that would zombify everyone around them, as we know. Not only is it horrible, and Saul wouldn't do it, but it would also make it hard for them to leave, what with all the zombies around them and stuff.
On a side note, we aren't 100% sure that Saul is immune, it might have been the antibiotics, and he should be long done with those (i don't believe that, but it might be true...)

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Except that that would zombify everyone around them, as we know. Not only is it horrible, and Saul wouldn't do it, but it would also make it hard for them to leave, what with all the zombies around them and stuff.
On a side note, we aren't 100% sure that Saul is immune, it might have been the antibiotics, and he should be long done with those (i don't believe that, but it might be true...)

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all true...the moral connundrum it would create would be enough to turn even the most vengeful of upright people away from the idea..and im not advocating it at all..just an idea that popped into my head..

the question i suppose is...if you were faced with a similar option..and getting out would not be an issue..just do it, go in get your love and your unborn child..at the cost of countless lives...would you do it?..hell, would you even consider it?

The problem I see with the haze Trojan Horse idea is the same problem that plagues all chemical weapons: How do you keep it from dissipating once you release it? I mean that would have to be one hell of a Trojan Horse to cover the Colony in Haze, and that's assuming it doesn't just blow away in the wind once released.

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The problem I see with the haze Trojan Horse idea is the same problem that plagues all chemical weapons: How do you keep it from dissipating once you release it? I mean that would have to be one hell of a Trojan Horse to cover the Colony in Haze, and that's assuming it doesn't just blow away in the wind once released.

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hmm...well...what keeps it specifically in Inglewood?..i mean, we're probly analyzing this idea far too much..but if the haze has a greater density than air...which it seems to by description, then it stands to reason it would linger long enough for things to happen...perhaps not long enough to turn anyone, but certainly long enough to incapacitate..*shrugs*

the only way the haze could keep doing what it's doing is through an active leak. it actively leaks through the ground, which creates a high pressure at the site moving the haze outward. as it travels away from the site, it diffuses through the air around it becoming thiner and thinner until it no longer has an effect. at least in my eyes.

wanna know a secret reaper? im getting bored with reading the same damn ideas over and over again..ever notice how i throw out the wildest of ideas? the main purpose of that is to shake up the collective mind of this forum into seeing things in a different light. i dont buy half the bullshit i spew out...but damn is it fun to say some of this stuff ;)

wait...i mean, umm

so you have to bottle it straight from the source. not such a big deal for saul the chosen of the mole men..(rep to those who get that)

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Way out there prediction....season 3 ends with Dunbar tower getting attacked by ink and co again.

Just had to get that down somewhere. ;)

And while I'm in the predicting mood....

CJ kills Bixby

Here's a crazy ass theory for you; everyone in the story is dead except for Lizzy's unborn son. He is reading the journals in a distant future. He is the sole survivor of the events we are listening to, and he lives in a world where no one remembers the world before 2007. He is a child of the post apocalyptic world.

Aw hell, but then how did he learn how to read?

Pinstripes taught him!

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Here's a crazy ass theory for you; everyone in the story is dead except for Lizzy's unborn son. He is reading the journals in a distant future. He is the sole survivor of the events we are listening to, and he lives in a world where no one remembers the world before 2007. He is a child of the post apocalyptic world.

Aw hell, but then how did he learn how to read?

Pinstripes taught him!

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So his name's gonna be John Conner? ;)
No, seriously: I like the idea.

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Here's a crazy ass theory for you; everyone in the story is dead except for Lizzy's unborn son. He is reading the journals in a distant future. He is the sole survivor of the events we are listening to, and he lives in a world where no one remembers the world before 2007. He is a child of the post apocalyptic world.

Aw hell, but then how did he learn how to read?

Pinstripes taught him!

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That would be crazy, especially since Michael starts the story and says it all began on May 8, 2009! :D

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wanna know a secret reaper? im getting bored with reading the same damn ideas over and over again..ever notice how i throw out the wildest of ideas? the main purpose of that is to shake up the collective mind of this forum into seeing things in a different light. i dont buy half the bullshit i spew out...but damn is it fun to say some of this stuff ;)

wait...i mean, umm

so you have to bottle it straight from the source. not such a big deal for saul the chosen of the mole men..(rep to those who get that)

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Maybe your reference IS the answer...Saul IS of the mole men. which is where the haze is presumably coming from being that its a deep crack in the ground, so saul is genetically used to breathing it in. His mother never told him, which is why she's so hush hush over the whole ordeal of her being bitten/scratch. She knows the truth, but has to prove it medically without giving up her people. That's one mighty boosh of a theory....

Alright, I haven't read through all the theories, so maybe it has been stated, but let me take a swing at a big one:

Zombie Asexuality.

There, I said it. They're going nowhere people, they will reduce to eating each other if need be, but will continue reproducing. We must eradicate, waiting them out is no longer an option. #2 was referred to as a 'she' because he was surrounded by all males, or alone altogether, made the gender swap, and is gonna drop zombie babies all over Ft. Irwin upon return. She was killed, the zombie(s) (multiples being henceforth known as Z-litters) will survive and be born and go all crazy ZEDfant. Terrible twos got nothing on this offspring

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Alright, I haven't read through all the theories, so maybe it has been stated, but let me take a swing at a big one:

Zombie Asexuality.

There, I said it. They're going nowhere people, they will reduce to eating each other if need be, but will continue reproducing. We must eradicate, waiting them out is no longer an option. #2 was referred to as a 'she' because he was surrounded by all males, or alone altogether, made the gender swap, and is gonna drop zombie babies all over Ft. Irwin upon return. She was killed, the zombie(s) (multiples being henceforth known as Z-litters) will survive and be born and go all crazy ZEDfant. Terrible twos got nothing on this offspring

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only problem i see here is KC tends to be a bit anal about the physics of things happening..so while i like the idea, i dont see how you could explain the gender swap in a species that has never had that physical ability....now, if you explain it as a parasite/virus/bacteria whatever...and THAT makes the gender swap happen....perhaps ;)

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only problem i see here is KC tends to be a bit anal about the physics of things happening..so while i like the idea, i dont see how you could explain the gender swap in a species that has never had that physical ability....now, if you explain it as a parasite/virus/bacteria whatever...and THAT makes the gender swap happen....perhaps ;)

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You said you were bored with the same theories, just aiming for the stars here.....well....not literally. If that were the case, I would be blaming Aliens.

all good...and im not trying to shoot down ideas..but if i agreed....what fun would that be? ;)

and i still say aliens are the root of this