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Yeah, as Rock Daddy mentioned, it could result in some emergency landing scenarios, but it could always be a device that KC is thinking of using to move the story along and/or explain why and how they might survive a crash landing near water.Quote:
Originally Posted by j0be
Not to say that you're wrong, because Kc does drop hints like that often, but there's really not a lot of water in the direction they are supposed to be flying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kn1ckerb0cker33
True, but I wouldn't rule it out at least at this point. Usually if it is mentioned something like this usually has something to do with a future event in the storyline. How exactly it might be written into the story, I have no idea. Any lakes nearby?Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
LOL Crowbar you're right man! Sorry if it's kind of morbid. I think I just need some tragedy added back into the mix. This is a story about survival, but there's too many people surviving lately. At least I don't want Hope to die! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
From what I can see in google maps, No. There is no body of water between LA and Fort Iwrin in a direct route. Since this was a voice over and not dialogue, I'm personally inclined to believe that Elisa might have been called in to do a retake on the narration, adding the lines about the chopper being a Pelican to help clarify the situation. There was a recording date scheduled just before the release of this chapter part so it could have been done there and dropped in after seeing the epic helicopter discussion on the forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kn1ckerb0cker33
But again, who knows other than Kc and crew?
With so much lack of faith in Pegs, maybe she flies west and has to ditch before finding Fort Irwin. Just kidding.
What if the shooter and/or rat are on board one of the helicopters and decides to hijack it with the pilot at gunpoint, forcing them to land near some body of water? It's just a random theory fueled by the current discussion.
I was wondering about the title of the chapter, "Our Doubts are Traitors". Do you think aside from the rat and Pippin situation it could also refer to how Burt is doubting himself, causing his hands to shake? Or Sauls doubt that anyone is concerned about Lizzie caused him to be a traitor (using the term loosely) in a way that he would break his promise to wait at LAX?
Great idea, hero!Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
What if the hijackers want to go to one of the islands, or something? (Even though we know that's a bad idea because they're zombie infested)
now that would be an epic season ender! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
It was just a random idea. But I think it is more likely that Kalani's helicopter will get high jacked or will malfunction and crash. This way you can kill off Kalani and a bunch of the nameless survivors of the tower. Meanwhile all the main crew like Riley, Michael, Angel, Saul, and Lizzie are chilling in Pegs helicopter. (I left out Burt because I feel like he's going to die before the flight, and didn't mention Kelly since I think she was the shooter and the mole)
It will be interesting to see who ends up on which Helicopter. I'm willing to just about guarantee that Michael ends up on Pegs' chopper, possibly with Angel going on Kalani's to keep the command structure in tact in case something happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
"Our doubts are traitors" is a line from Shakespeare's Measure for Measure, a play in which deception is used to free a man unfairly imprisoned (though his imprisonment is justified by following the strict letter of the law). This could hint at a couple things: (1) Michael and Angel using deception to bring about justice. (2) If Pippin's killer is also the rat, but killed Pippin because they have "turned good" and wanted to protect the Tower, it could hint at the idea of justly punishing him or her (vs punishing by letter of the law). Lizzy was punished following the strict letter of the law, and the punishment has proven unjust. What is a 'just' punishment for the killer/rat if their killing Pippin was to make up for being the rat?Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
Just an idea.
One problem with the have two helicopters lose one free is that Angel and Michael are not likely to be on the same chopter. I would not allow my "Number 1" to ride with me if an alternative was available. It would give me pause if we had an assault 'chopter and a baggage train, but even then I would be very hesitant.
That makes me think of Lost a little bit. There were heaps of nameless characters until the shipped blew up and only the people in the helicopter survived (pretty much). That way all the main characters stay there while the side characters stories are neatly tied up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
Whether or not Kc will go for this route I don't think so. I don't think, considering there will be two helicopters, we will be left with only the main characters. He has however been starting to use some random survivors from the tower to do random things. Maybe these newly named survivors are just so something can be put on their grave...
Brilliant. I really like your analysis of the chapter title. Both points 1 & 2 really are marvelous. Kudos!Quote:
Originally Posted by Heyyouinthebushes
I will say that your point #2 and what Michael said about the mole possibly siding with the Tower now just led me further to believe that Kelly was the mole all along. I do believe the mole and the shooter to be the same person. If they are not the same person, then it is very possible that the mole could be revealed soon and then we'll have a whole other season left to wonder who the hell the shooter was. I realize a big argument about the shooter not being Kelly is that Pippin said, "It's you!" before being shot. It could be possible that Pippin knew the Mallers had a mole in the tower at one point but may not have know who the mole was. So when Kelly realized that Pippin was with the Mallers but didn't recognize her as the original mole, she could have played it off.
But when she had a conversation with Pippin while on guard duty, she could have used her super lawyer powers to deduce that Pippin was lying.
Kelly says that she can't be sure of anything because of how battered and bruised Pippin was, so I don't think she knew he was lying. The only thing that makes sense to me is that the rat is the killer, but they have turned loyal, at least for now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
Dammit Nik. You beat me to it again!Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
She did say that, though if you believe her to be the mole you can't really trust anything she says. Certainly her actions lately show that she appears to be loyal to Michael and the tower now, but it wasn't always so. It could be possible that Kelly couldn't read Pippin's face, but somewhere in her conversations with him, he may have said something to give himself away. Perhaps she knows that someone who remembers every exact detail about what has happened to them seems to be too much; as though Pippins telling of his situation was rehearsed. If she was the mole and the only one that knows Pippin is lying, then the ball is in her court.Quote:
Originally Posted by mastafigz
Valid point. I do think she's the mole, so you may be right. It could just be possible she knew Pippin. Nothing more Nothing less. Do we ever find out where Kelly and Tommy were before they found the tower? I'm sure we did, I just don't remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
If my memory serves me, and it rarely does, I believe Kelly was at work while Tommy was staying at her house with his sister? Kelly rushed home and got the kids? Or she may have been watching them at her house while Tommy's mom was at work. Arg, I forget. Though I do not believe Kelly really had any intentions of being a mole right out. I believe she had animosity towards the tower members when she first arrived but the mole wasn't born until Scratch and Latch dropped by hoping to get in the Tower. I believe at some point after thier visit, Kelly may have used the radio to contact Eastern Bay folk. Maybe she even knows some of the criminals, having tried to defend them in court. Though, if it turns out she's a prosecutor I doubt the Mallers care for her. This is also why I believe that in episode 20-3 when Tardust says, "What about the other one...No the one already there..." he is referring to Kelly. She was already there when she decided to be a mole for the Mallers. Though now, they get no response from her.Quote:
Originally Posted by mastafigz
lol, it's going to be hilarious if we find out the mole is someone else. The palmface heard round the world!
rock daddy is my hero! Presente!Quote:
Originally Posted by rock daddy
I was thinking that maybe the Mallers will use "the weapon" Latch got out of the safe to bring down an airborne chopper. That would be pretty exciting. Also, if the plan to obtain the second chopper fails, I recall Kalani saying that on a full tank of gas, he believes they could make it the 150 miles and back again. If they end up using 1 chopper/2 trips, it would be pretty interesting if the first chopper takes off and just never returns. We'd be left wondering for a long time as to what happened. Ah! My mind is swimming with possible scenarios!
Man you guys are just blood thirsty! LOL. Damn Mongols you be!Quote:
Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero
Although we've already had a truncated version of that with Datu & SAMANTHAAAA *bursts into tears*. I think they will hang in there for a while as a pair, possibly getting someone else from the tower killed in their haste to be together (Burt? which would suck). If they're going, they'll go later in the story. Season 3 or 4? (although, with kc it may be next episode. Like when we all thought Michael, Peggs and Kelly would stick around the Colony for ages but then they split real fast!)Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
I think Saul's going to get lost. Bangkok has his now...(sorry, had to.)
I can't wait till the next episode. I'm excited to see what takes priority, the chopper or going after Saul. Although if the roads are bad, it should be as easy as hopping in the car and following him. I like the idea of finally finding Lizzy, but I can't imagine it will be easy.
I'm pumped to see what LA looks like from the chopper. Who knows what other colonies/towers/groups will be visible and possible living quarters will pop up with an aerial view of the area.
He was all nihilistic after his ordeal in the Arena and loosing Samantha before. Since Hope showed up he's been better. Although I am curious as to why he's been so chipper considering how close Hope came to the killer. Maybe no one told him she was in the room when Pippin was killed?Quote:
Originally Posted by 70DDISDEAD
Safe to assume id say...and I wouldn't throw around any crazy thoughts like he's the rat based on him being in a good mood...but it was a different tone than any of the typical datu banter
All this talk about Ground zero got me thinking, all we know that was relayed by Kalani, the different types of zombie, the proximate nausea, the weird stuff they brought back from Ground zero, when Kalani is telling Michael, Angel and Saul, he repeats three times that "all this is just what I was told." And he goes on to say that you know how these things can get changed in the telling (or words to that effect).
Can we trust what Kalani has said/heard?
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