Or they might leave the MRE pallets in favor of finding ones at Ft. Irwin.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
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Or they might leave the MRE pallets in favor of finding ones at Ft. Irwin.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
After listening to this Episode I get the feeling that Kalani knows what happened at the airport because he said he did have a crash landing after coming in from Hawaii after zombies invaded Hawaii. I also think that it might be possible that the planes from Hawaii could have had a zombie aboard bringing in the zombies. But I don't exactly remember if that was before or after the LA invasion so I don't know just a thought.
I think a crash landing at an airport (especially post 9/11) would hit the news before rioters in downtown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paola
Does the Chinook carry more than the MH-53? I've been on the Chinook and we struggled to get one platoon on one with all our gear (30ish dudes) and we had the seats out so we were on the floor. I thought that the MH-53 could hold over 50 combat troops.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
I'd assume that they would be leaving a lot of stuff behind when they fly out and simply taking what was absolutely essential.
I was thinking about that too, adding some drama if they find that the food at Irwin was raided.Quote:
Originally Posted by j0be
If I was in the tower I'd send out a party to check on the conditions at Ft. Irwin before burning my bridges and leaving the tower, congested roads be damned
They aren't going to have the time. The Z's are going to go ballistic: no human is going to be safe in LA. They are going to have to make a quick fire decision on whether they leave or stay and fight
Data from Boeing CH-47D/F,[85] Army Chinook file,[86] International Directory[87]Quote:
Originally Posted by Leedo2502
General characteristics
Crew: 3 (pilot, copilot, flight engineer)
Capacity:
33–55 troops or
24 litters and 3 attendants or
28,000 lb (12,700 kg) cargo
Length: 98 ft 10 in (30.1 m)
Rotor diameter: 60 ft 0 in (18.3 m)
Height: 18 ft 11 in (5.7 m)
Disc area: 5,600 ft2 (2,800 ft2 per rotor disc) (260 m2)
Empty weight: 23,400 lb (10,185 kg)
Loaded weight: 26,680 lb (12,100 kg)
Civilians aren't going to be weighed down with gear like we are when we're in transport. They'll have a weapon, a bag or two and the clothes on their backs. Everything else will go as cargo. I'm assuming the numbers are less than 25 because Burt has the count as "20 plus" instead of 25 plus..blah, blah, blah.
With the weight this thing can carry i'll say it'll fit.
The two birds fit roughly the same amount of people but the Chinook is 10 feet longer, but the MH-53 has a heavier lift capacity. Seems to me that they'll both work.
Data from USAF MH-53J/M,[3] International Directory,[11] Vectorsite[12]
General characteristics
Crew: 6 (two pilots, two flight engineers and two aerial gunners)
Capacity: 37 troops (55 in alternate configuration)
Length: 88 ft (28 m)
Rotor diameter: 72 ft (21.9 m)
Height: 25 ft (7.6 m)
Empty weight: 32,000 lb (14,515 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 46,000 lb (50,000 lb in war time) (21,000 kg)
Powerplant: 2× T64-GE-100 turboshaft, 4,330 shp (3,230 kW) each
Rotor system: 6 blades
Performance
Maximum speed: 170 knots (196 mph, 315 km/h)
Cruise speed: 150 kt (173 mph, 278 km/h)
Range: 600 nmi (1,100 km) can be extended with in-flight refueling
Service ceiling: 16,000 ft (4,900 m)
Who in their right mind would leave behind food and water in the HOPE there would be some later??? That's a sure fire way of dying real slow like. That's how dummies end up not surviving survivable situations. Piss poor planning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leedo2502
Leedo, they talked about a scouting party.. but they have the helo fuel problem remember? It's too far to drive roundtrip and there's no way to communicate if they had the fuel for a one way trip via car. The Prius was probably the only thing in the motor pool that would have been able to make the trip. IF, it was feasible.
Would you send a troop out on point without communication?
Good info! I've never been in a MH-53 and was a little shocked that they have roughly the same passenger capacity. When we were in the Chinook we were also loaded down for 2 weeks of steady operations so that might have had something to do with it LOL. The big point sticks to my crackpot theory is that the USCG doesn't have either bird in their inventories (unless there is a dramatic license being taken) and just has me going "hmm?"Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
Idealy no but that might be the only option. But you gotta think too what could the tower do to help the scouting party even if they were able to get word back.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
An aside, you could send a party back to the Reserve center and pick up all the SINGARS there and set up a re-trans site along the way... put it up in a nice tall building with an OE-254 antena....
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Originally Posted by Leedo2502
Ok.. SINGARS.. wait! do you mean SINCGARS? I'm going to assume Durai and Co cleaned those out as well, plus Sir Rapes a Lot said they have better comm equipment.
A retrans/OP/LP would be the best thing to do, BUT, they'd have to find a secure location because they'd be on their own for a really long time. Victor is the only one with that experience.
Yeah I forgot the 'C' LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
You could set those up without having someone man them... there is an auto retrans mode that you use with two radio's plugged together with some J cable (atleast I think it's J cable). I was thinking that you could set that up in some office building and have the antena running up on the roof hidden and whatnot.
And I'm betting the radios that the Mallers have are the police radios since Military radios are a bit more complex and the radios that cops have are a bit simpler... we used the Motorolla XTS while on post and as Squad commo in Kosovo and that's the same radio that Cops haveQuote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
Devils advocate. I'm wondering if we set up one and turned it on if anyone without training could operate one.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
Well at the danger of incuring the wrath of Ra1th I'd say that Angel might not but Saul and Michael would have no problem... maybe Burt could pick it up and Victor could as well. But with no training and noone there to give the training I'd say that it would be nearly impossible for someone to operate on (like the Mallers)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
one thing i don't understand is why Michael suggested Burt/Saul checkout LAX for large helicopters?
there is probably loads of the smaller commercial ones around, but coming from an army intelligence unit, wouldn't an army air base be the first place to look?
get burt/saul down to Los Alamitos Army Airfield and pick up that Chinook thats ready on the airfield now! ;)
ahh.. gotcha. gotcha.. That's way out of my lane so i'll leave defer to your exp on that. It sounds like a solid planQuote:
Originally Posted by Leedo2502
The better bet would have been to get to Los Angeles Air Force Base and hope on a C130 (if they had a pilot).Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood & Ice Cream
Leedo,Quote:
Originally Posted by Leedo2502
I'm under the impression that a good number of the mallers have prior military exp. Mr. I Got Puked On knew about a double fed M16, he's a bomb expert and mans their communications.
Scratch on the other hand couldn't tell they were being led into a prime ambush spot despite knowing what "Kill Zone" is.
Durai is obviously running a really tight ship with military precision.. oh crap, i'm using logic again aren't I?
ahem.. moving right along, LOL@ trying to stay off Ra1th's radar! Boy could I have used you in some earlier threads. ROFL!
LAX was closer to where Burt and Saul were. (Is that verb tense correct?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood & Ice Cream
Why would the verb be tense? They should learn to relax.
The real kicker in finding out what kind of Helicopter they are talking about is that it must be used by the US Coast Guard. I still suspect its probably Sikorsky S-61R since that is used by the Coast Guard and its the model of which they based the military version after and they both can hold large numbers of people (according to wikipedia anyway).
Because of that I still think its a Sikorsky S-61R since a Sikorsky S92 was close and I can only assume that its the same maker.Quote:
Quote Originally Posted by Leedo2502 View Post
For anyone interested I think the Helicopter that's mentioned is the Sikorsky S92. I'm not sure what the Coast Guard designator is but Burt mentioned that it was "Big, one of the bigest that we could have hoped for". Unless anyone else knows better I think that this is the biggest bird that the USCG has... unless it isn't the USCG (cue the suspense music)
You're close, but it's not that one. The exact type will be revealed later. The reason for the echo, is because it's rather large on the inside.
You know as I was writing that I thought about that some of the Mallers might have some military experince. I'm guessing it's not going to be many though. I am impressed with the orginization that Durai has set up, more gang style than military but still. There could be a few Ex-Military types that the Mallers have "pressed" into service as well. But I agree that they did miss that whole ambush site which shows they don't have the tactics down yet LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
And I'm not to eagar to see Ra1th's reaction to me saying that Angel might not be the most top notch super soldier LOL
The only thing that I forgot was that you'd need a power source that'd last longer than the regular battery... We set one up in Kosovo that we had to watch (Not operate) and make sure the locals didn't grab any of the radios or generator that they were plugged into.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
That's the point I'm making... KC said I was close with the S-92, that's what made me jump to MH-53. And the fact that the USCG and although I may be reading into KC's response I am getting that there are some conspiratorial undertones to the whole thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by bvglee
Close is a relative term. Someone might be closer. It's not a huge detail, but you'll know it soon enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leedo2502
I don't think the chopper is a Chinook. I'm sure Burt or Saul would've called it one if that was what it was.
Watch KC throw us for a loop and have the helicopter be a Puma or a Merlin.
Or even more of a twist... what if a company like Blackwater (now Xe) or something similar was contracted to help with the evacuation and had to slap on USCG markings on their helicopters to help out? It could explain the MP5s encountered at the colony and their shell casings around the bird that Burt and Saul found around the shot up bird.
As fast as things went to Hell during the first stages of the outbreak, I have a hard time believing that people would be taking the time to re-paint helicopters. Unless there was some sort of cover up related to the origins of the outbreak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hellbringer
But I'm more inclined to take the USCG markings at face value and believe that there was a rescue station at LAX similar to the one that was at The Colony early on and things just went to hell. This all is starting to make me wonder where the survivors who were rescued from those stations were taken though. Is there a "safe zone" somewhere where those lucky enough to catch a ride were taken? And if so how will they come into play later on?
That's probably what happened. The Helicopters from the colony (and possibly anywhere else in the area) were probably evacuating people to LAX where they were probably boarding planes to some safe zone, as you said, that hasn't been discovered by the Tower peeps yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by HardKor
Whether or not any survivors from the evacuation are still in the LA area I would find unlikely since LA was pretty much overwhelmed with "zombie activity" and I would doubt that anyone would want to stick around anywhere close, unless something happened on the plane/helicopter they were on and crashed landed somewhere close by or on the outskirts of LA. They'd probably try to get as far away as possible, perhaps a fortified military base somewhere or maybe a Presidential bunker of some sort (a la Independence Day). Who, aside from KC, really knows?
All I know is that these episodes don't come fast enough :p
See, there he goes again! Theory target practice! hahah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kc
The one thing that has been irking me is at what point did the Mallers start taking their slaves? It's slightly implied it was after the war with the Tower. So there might be more pockets of survivors than we originally thought. The Mallers were at least capable of finding over 30 slaves (if you go with Pippin's idea that there were more slaves than convicts, and Scratch's team had 30 members) after the War? Or was it before the War?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kn1ckerb0cker33
I assume the Mallers had scouting parties very early on. I would think Durai would want a lay of the land real quick after they made the mall their home. Maybe he found out about the Arena from one of those original scouting parties
Damn I was hoping it WAS going to be a huge detail! Oh well I had fun theorizing about the helicopter LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Kc
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Originally Posted by Leedo2502
All the theorizing about the helicopter melted my brain stem. :p
Too much good information about things I know nothing about and my mind just kinda went "uh..........no"
not the best episode but so amazing. nice quiet end, i liked it. loved the airplane reference. wish one really did come out next week.
Nik,Quote:
Originally Posted by nikvoodoo
Pippen states that the numbers are skewed because of the "War."
I'm wondering just how many mallers did die because of the assault and creature attack. Maybe that's why Durai went on the offensive against the infected.
They're the most numerous opponent, but the least able to defend themeselves.
Wasn't impressed that Lizzy's story wasn't told in this one...but I guess it was AWESOME because of that helicopter thingy mahingy!!!