Chapter 21 - "Mark of the Beast" - Part 2

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Originally Posted by Chewlikeyouhaveasecret

The most exciting thing in this episode for me was the description of the little one’s arm. The presence of the tattoo definitely implies that someone or something made them.

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I'm getting that feeling too.

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But there is also the possibility that whoever is responsible for the original outbreak is still around.

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My theory is that we'll start finding out more about the causes of the outbreak when they get to Fort Irwin. I just get the feeling that the season finale will involve the Tower folk having to flee for the Fort in a hurry and then when they land finding out there is some kind of scientists or whatever there who have knowledge about the outbreak. Then the season will end as soon as their introduced and we'll all scream in unison at the realization we've got to wait 3-4 months before we find out any more. zom:(

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Originally Posted by HardKor

Then the season will end as soon as their introduced and we'll all scream in unison at the realization we've got to wait 3-4 months before we find out any more. zom:(

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GGGGAAAAAAAACCCCKKKKK <--noise I make in response to cliff hangers

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Originally Posted by Eviebae

GGGGAAAAAAAACCCCKKKKK <--noise I make in response to cliff hangers

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I would love to be introduced to someone who actually knows more about what is happening! I want more facts! A cliff hanger like that would be amazingly awful though.
I just remembered where season 1 ended at the beginning of this month and I am dreading the end season cliff hanger.

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Originally Posted by Chewlikeyouhaveasecret

This is turning out to be an amazing chapter.
It would be insane if Pin-stripe was the one responsible for the new specialized zombies somehow. But there is also the possibility that whoever is responsible for the original outbreak is still around. The way prisoners were being captured instead of eaten also hints to more sinister motives than keeping their food fresh. It makes the arena even more horrifying because it has possibly been a zombie factory this entire time.

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If what you think turns out to be true then is it possible we will have another encounter with Samantha? This has probably been brought up but oh well...

OMG, so im listening to the episode right now mmk, LIZ is making me angry. lol shes not saying anything, just being dumb. and screaming randomly......

Great episode.

I was rendered speechless, something all my ex's would tell you is hard to do.

After trying to read all the posts in here, I have to say Riley's girlmance with Lizzie could be a real bad case of straight girl crush, or just true friendship. We rarely see the Tower before they make epic search parties, but it happens. Michael risked his life for Saul, went through unknown hell and then searched for Datu&co at the arena, and Lizzie lost it when Saul went after Lady.

I like the theories that some zombies were manufactured. It explains their origins enough for me.

Remind me to befriend a prison yard muscle man like Bricks before z-day.

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Originally Posted by wh33t

You think Saul is the mole? How did you arrive at that conclusion?

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I have a number of reasons why i think its Saul. He did serve time in prison before he joined the army so its possible that he could have come into contact with one of the mallers during his time inside, he could possibly owe them a favour or something.

Secondly, we dont really know what happened with him after the mallers spotted him. All we know is he got back to the tower. He was only on a scooter or something like that and we know latch and Scratch had a fast sports car. They would have easily caught him and perhaps ( like i mentioned before ) one of the mallers recgonised him and maybe called in a favour?

Thirdly, why did he leave his bike outside the tower. Fair enough the lights were probably on in the tower, but seeing the scooter he got away on would have helped confirm it was the right apartment block.

Fourthly ( is that even a word?? ) on the night of the attack on the tower, Saul was supposedly out cold due to the drink. I think he was the one who fired the shot and was actually just faking it. Also, how did the mallers know that the people in the tower actually had a CB? They had to know that it was a CB they had in the tower as they brought their own and told the tower what channel to turn it to. They wouldnt have know what kind of communication device Saul had unless they actually caught him.

I was listening to some older chapters today and for some reason I keep thinking it's Angel who is the mole. I keep thinking he's jealous of Michael because he gets all the credit and leadership and he gets nothing. The episode where Saul rips into him for being just like the rest of them kind of made me think of it.

Angel is one of the few people who have access to the CB Radio and would have just cause to do so. Maybe attempt to take over when Michael fails.

Wow. This really is an exciting chapter. Perhaps the best yet?

Lizzy should have just got out of there! She was just waiting with the mallers! I have a feeling the maller who was being nice to her (name escapes) will survive with her and the other guy will die. So then they will escape together and it will be a big deal because all of a sudden they will have a maller that Lizzy likes and was saved by, but he is still a maller. Or she could die...

So they are already out looking for helicopters. Back over to the other rooftop by the zipline again? That could be an exciting escape with zombies grabbing at the helicopter?

Oh man, I wish I had the balls to speak up in defense of the Mallers prior to this chapter. I knew they weren't all a bunch of idjits. They may have really screwed up morals, but being locked up in a 8 x 5 cell for most of thier time means they had plenty of time to read. That is all a lot of convicts do to pass time, that and work out. The Art of War, The Zombie Survival Guide, and various Do-It-Yourself booksmay have been on thier reading list. Not that I'm jumping ships and waving the Maller flag but some of them have could be good people, like Bricks. But I think it is still too early to say he's nice. Sure he was polite enough to call Lizzy Elizabeth and he seems to care about her well being, protecting her from Tardust. But this could all be from Scratch having ordered him to do so. Remember Scratch said her order to not hurt Lizzy still stands, saying, "We need her." (bargaining chip?)

I'm thinking there is a possiblity that Bricks could hulk out and be like, "Now look Elizabeth, I've been nice to you. I've protected you. I think that we had something. Now give me what I want!" He was in Eastern Bay for some reason. But over all, I think there are some good, smart mallers. It's all a matter of perspective. They were in a war against the Tower and see them as the enemy. When you are desperate to survive and another group is turning you away from thier sanctuary, you see them as assholes. Speaking of perspective, it is obvious that the Tower knew things about the way the zombies work, "what makes them tick..." as Michael once put it, but I'm curious as to what the Mallers know about the Biters that the Tower doesn't. Durai must have had a reason for ordering such a risky attack on the Arena. And Tardust seemed very confident that there were things he knew that Lizzie didn't.

When the group was huddled over the little one's arm it sounded as though these mutations were expected. I believe Scratch said something along the lines of, Durai knew this was coming which is why this mission is so important. What could he knew? Is Pippin a scientist who told Durai and group that these mutations would occur?

Anygay, great episode. There is so much to think on. I listened to it 3 times in a row yesterday!

Best typo ever

[QUOTE=nikvoodoo;12929]Well, if you thought you could take out your enemies in one felled swoop, wouldn't you?

Durai is alive because he didn't get killed during the War (as many of us predicted.....we really need to make that "I Told You So" Thread....).

See.. I told you so! ROFL.. We could have a .gif of some stupid dance and call it the ITUS dance (I used a U because a Y looks stupid in the acronym).

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Originally Posted by Guts Malone

Here's a thought, what if the Mailers were in it from the get go, for example, the genetic zombie testing was being performed on the inmates at Eastern Bay. Inmates would be ideal for testing, some would would participate for a shorter sentence and some would be forced into it. They are confined, and if something goes wrong, the situation could be chalked up to an "accident". You have to wonder where the Mallers get all their intel and in such as short time. It would also explain the the different types of zombies, markings and the tattoo number 5. For example, if Bricks was test on, would he be a "Big One" Also, why would the zombies, at the area, want to toy with there food before eating it. Very similar to prisoners with the first taste of power and freedom.

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There's an older thread on this buried in the cracks and crevices of the forum. What you're theorizing goes back to the Bio lab.

Quick note on the whole Riley thing:

I would be just as upset as she is if one of my closest friends were MIA during the apocalypse. They've been through a lot, having all been there since the beginning basically, and if Riley is anything like I suspect, she's probably beating herself up that she couldn't do anything to prevent this disaster. She's definitely a person who is more concerned with others than herself. Assuming that she has romantic feelings just because she's shaken by Lizzie's disappearance is pretty presumptuous. Any caring friend would feel how she does!

And people say "well hey why didn't she do anything with Angel while they were alone? if she's feeling so bad wouldn't she like some comfort?" Not necessarily. Some people do indeed cling to others during a crisis, but just as many withdraw themselves and act distant (I know this because I'm of the second group). Also, maybe she's just an angry drunk, and isn't interested in getting any after having some drinks, who knows!

I'm jussayin'. I feel like Riley's actions are WAY over-analyzed in every scenario to the point that many think her sexual orientation (whatever it may be) influences EVERYTHING she does. And that's just silly!

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Originally Posted by Mugwump

I have a number of reasons why i think its Saul. He did serve time in prison before he joined the army so its possible that he could have come into contact with one of the mallers during his time inside, he could possibly owe them a favour or something.

Secondly, we dont really know what happened with him after the mallers spotted him. All we know is he got back to the tower. He was only on a scooter or something like that and we know latch and Scratch had a fast sports car. They would have easily caught him and perhaps ( like i mentioned before ) one of the mallers recgonised him and maybe called in a favour?

Thirdly, why did he leave his bike outside the tower. Fair enough the lights were probably on in the tower, but seeing the scooter he got away on would have helped confirm it was the right apartment block.

Fourthly ( is that even a word?? ) on the night of the attack on the tower, Saul was supposedly out cold due to the drink. I think he was the one who fired the shot and was actually just faking it. Also, how did the mallers know that the people in the tower actually had a CB? They had to know that it was a CB they had in the tower as they brought their own and told the tower what channel to turn it to. They wouldnt have know what kind of communication device Saul had unless they actually caught him.

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Saul did (a little) time in Jail vs prison because he was still young. The Judge basically told him to join the Military or ELSE! (Nik, correct me if i'm recalling that wrong)
One thing about Military members.. they're fiercely loyal and even more so with people they've been deployed or seen combat with. No way would Saul turn that to dust.

Last thing is the CB is community property in the watch room. Whomever is on watch has access to it. I'm not sure if it's manned during the day, but at the time it didn't seem that it was.

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Originally Posted by timberwoof

I'm kinda wondering if Skittles learned to mimic the Howlers. More than likely wrong but that would be cool if he ended up be the second howl.

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Aww that is a good theory. It would be awesome if he could. It would make him even more of an enigma.

So Here is what im seeing:
1. The Arena was the Main nest for the zombies in LA, there may be other nests, but that was the closest to the mall and the tower.
2. Im thinking Tardust and Brix/Bricks will defect to the tower survivors, they were left for dead by their friends, so it's a possibility. (assuming they survived the explosion)
3.Pippin probably came from the shire to tell the survivors that zombies had invaded middle earth (Lord of the Rings Reference)
4. That gun from the safe that latch had must be somthing special if scratch is going to hold onto it.
5. The maulers/mallers are now probable headed to the other tower, Or back to the mall, Or to rendezvous with Durai down south where the will possibly assault the Conlony.
6. Riley and Lizzy migh be more than just "Friends"
7. Datu is becoming Hopes father/ father figure
8. if they find any helo's (Helicopers) they are probably going to modify it to make it an assault transport, like a gunship, without the guns.
I rest my case

By the way, Pippin lied with a fact (can't remember which one) but I think that he may be a slaver who is being threatened by the mallers somehow (family?) to do their bidding and do something in the tower, this also shows that the mallers have known about the arena since at LEAST chapter 6.

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Originally Posted by Walrusgus

Lizzy should have just got out of there! She was just waiting with the mallers!

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At which point? When they were waiting? Child proof locks ;)

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Originally Posted by Kc

Child proof locks ;)

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Those locks are the bane of me, I hate being in the backseat with cars that have those. I can see them keeping Lizzie in with that. Also, they are at the Arena, in the truck is the safest place for her

Loved this episode, I am not on the other hand eager to see whatever cliffhanger that KC has in store after next weekes episode.

I'm firmly in the camp that says the inmates were being tested on and the outbreak is probably what happened after one of the test subjects, Ink maybe, got free. The possible ID tattoo might be a give away and the fact that the Mallers high-tailed it out of what's probably the safest location in LA to hole up in a strip mall.

I can't be the only one who thinks of the Big Bad Voodoo Daddy song Mr. Pinstripe Suit when ever Not Paul is mentioned am I? Here's a link to the video if that helps
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7q...stripe-s_music

Man, if the trend continues, this could be my most listened to episode. Anywho, I had a thought (rare occasion):

-What if we are right about Bricks and he ends up protecting Lizzy from Tardust, killilng that would-be-rapist and seeing that Lizzy is escorted back to the safety of the tower. Suppose that Saul happens upon them first and just flips out, killing Bricks before the guy has a chance to explain he is helping her. Wouldn't that suck? SAUL KILLS BRICKS! emo

-Also the weapon that Latch stole from the safe, that's Burts shiny pistol mentioned from the scene on the freeway when we first met Latch and Scratch, right? I'm assuming that if it is, then the only reason Scratch would want to save it is so that she can use it to kill Burt. Otherwise it could be a different weapon all together; some C-4, a hand grenade, who knows?

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Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero

-Also the weapon that Latch stole from the safe, that's Burts shiny pistol mentioned from the scene on the freeway when we first met Latch and Scratch, right? I'm assuming that if it is, then the only reason Scratch would want to save it is so that she can use it to kill Burt. Otherwise it could be a different weapon all together; some C-4, a hand grenade, who knows?

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The shiny pistol is referring to Shirely, Burt's desert eagle, which never leaves his side. I'm thinking it is something quite powerful, like explosives, or a heavy machine gun. Maybe a high powered rifle. Could just be crazy and guess a rocket launcher. For some reason, when I hear the episode my mind thinks of anti-tank guns

Lol what if Burt just straight up had a predator drone hahaha that would hilarious

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Originally Posted by Pikepaw

The shiny pistol is referring to Shirely, Burt's desert eagle, which never leaves his side. I'm thinking it is something quite powerful, like explosives, or a heavy machine gun. Maybe a high powered rifle. Could just be crazy and guess a rocket launcher. For some reason, when I hear the episode my mind thinks of anti-tank guns

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I meant in 6-1 when Burt threatens them with Shirley, Scratch draws a similar weapon and says, "Who's to say I don't have the same?" and she even hints that she jacked the weapon from Locked and Loaded, Burts store. I'm assuming this piece that she has is one Latch stole from the safe and gave to his baby sister. Later in 21-2, I believe this is the same weapon the other Maller mentions. A pistol like that may have power but isn't much special against a horde. I think she wants to save it for the sentimental value it will carry when she hopes to blast Burt to hell with it.

Ok Listened again and time for Crack-Pot Theory Time; What if "The Weapon" isn't something that is really a conventional weapon, like a gun or bomb? If the theory that the zombies were part of an experiment holds true, this could be a weapon that stuns or repels the Zombies. If the Zombies were in a Lab you'd really only have one or two of these "weapons" and you'd want something to stun or disoreint the Zombies (it'd be in bad form to kill your "research). If Durai and Latch have these "weapons" that could explain why they think an attack on the Arena is doable.

Just a thought.

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Originally Posted by Ra1th

Lol what if Burt just straight up had a predator drone hahaha that would hilarious

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Awesome. That would basically be game over for Mallers/Colony/Zombies unless they have some AA

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Originally Posted by Adventureless_Hero

I meant in 6-1 when Burt threatens them with Shirley, Scratch draws a similar weapon and says, "Who's to say I don't have the same?" and she even hints that she jacked the weapon from Locked and Loaded, Burts store. I'm assuming this piece that she has is one Latch stole from the safe and gave to his baby sister. Later in 21-2, I believe this is the same weapon the other Maller mentions. A pistol like that may have power but isn't much special against a horde. I think she wants to save it for the sentimental value it will carry when she hopes to blast Burt to hell with it.

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Oh yes, Saul identified them as carrying 9mm pistols, and later when he was following them, Latch said they didn't have any ammo at that time. Of course, I'm sure they got more ammo once they returned to camp. I think the sentimental theory is valid, seeing as Latch got it. Not only Burt, but she definitely wants to put a lot of holes in Pegs.

I also like Robert's theory too, that it could be zombie repellent or something. You'd want to keep that for the worst possible scenario, when it could save your lie. Of course, a remote for a predator drone or anything that goes BANG BANG BOOM is my #1 theory because I like power

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Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel

Saul did (a little) time in Jail vs prison because he was still young. The Judge basically told him to join the Military or ELSE! (Nik, correct me if i'm recalling that wrong)

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You're mixing Saul's and Burt's histories. Yes, Saul spent time in jail and later joined the army. No, the judge did not force him to. The judge wanted to make an example of Saul with his punishment. When Saul was sharing his prison story, Burt interrupted to say that back in his (Burt's) day, the judge would issue sentences where the convicted had the choice between jail and the army.

Nik, hope you don't mind I jumped on this one haha.

If you listen back to the third episode of " The Remains Of Eastern Bay " then you will see there is a huge hole in the story from where Saul gets spotted by the mallers and then ends up back at the tower, just as big as how Michael broke his arm imo. He loses radio contact then we hear nothing of how he got away. Also, Angel sounds really surprised at Saul when he says he is going to leave his scooter outside. Saul is the rat :p

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Originally Posted by Mugwump

If you listen back to the third episode of " The Remains Of Eastern Bay " then you will see there is a huge hole in the story from where Saul gets spotted by the mallers and then ends up back at the tower, just as big as how Michael broke his arm imo. He loses radio contact then we hear nothing of how he got away. Also, Angel sounds really surprised at Saul when he says he is going to leave his scooter outside. Saul is the rat :p

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Dun, Dun, DUN!! You've cracked it. It is annoying missing a chunk of the story like with Michael's escape. I feel like we will never know...

i don't know if this has been brought up but what if Durai is actually dead and Scratch is just using his name to keep the rest of the Mallers in line?
lets say Durai was alive when leaving the Tower after the war, but once they got back, at some point, he eventually dies from his wounds. and Scratch was the only person who knew of his death. lets say he was in a back room where no on else can see and Scratch was the only person Durai allowed back there. she could easily hide the fact that he was dead and told the rest of the Mallers that he was still healing from his wounds. then she would be free to give them orders just by saying that they were from Durai. then at one point she could've gone on a scouting trip to scope out a new place to live, then she finds a place, takes his body away and tells everyone that Durai found a new place and he is waiting there, or something.

idk, this idea is pretty out there and it could use some polishing, but i think it's Plausible :P

It may be plausible, but I believe they make mention of him being in another group, like the scouting party. I don't think Scratch could hide the fact that he was dead and say he left with a group when in fact no one else is missing. Unless there is a ditch somewhere full of bodies that Scratch filled with this "party" he is with. Anything is possible...

I was thinking about the idea the zombies are like insects and if that's true they just stirred up the nest

What really interests me in this episode is the Little One's arm...
A) It's the new type of zombie, that Skittles saw
B) It was recently tattooed by someone
C) It's fingernails were FILED to points by someone
Hmmm... Who's making these things???

Its Walt Disney I tell ya!

So I've waited just over three days now and not one person has mentioned the kick ass advertisement for the forum!!! Come on now people! You gotta listen all the way through the credits!

And I'm not pointing it out because I wrote the ad or anything......nope.



#humblebrag :p

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

So I've waited just over three days now and not one person has mentioned the kick ass advertisement for the forum!!! Come on now people! You gotta listen all the way through the credits!

And I'm not pointing it out because I wrote the ad or anything......nope.



#humblebrag :p

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Yo Voodoo! I noticed. As a matter of fact, it seems like we've been gaining more members since. I was listening to this episode again today and thought, "it's about time they push the forum on here!" But I did not realize that this was your little gem. Even better! A+

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Originally Posted by nikvoodoo

So I've waited just over three days now and not one person has mentioned the kick ass advertisement for the forum!!! Come on now people! You gotta listen all the way through the credits!

And I'm not pointing it out because I wrote the ad or anything......nope.

#humblebrag :p

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we noticed, we just didnt wanna say anything because it made our ears bleed... :p JK

I was too busy waiting to see if anyone else was concerned that Angel was on the roof instead of watching Pippin like Michael told him to. His orders were not to let Pippin out of his sight, and yet Angel is standing on the roof asking Kalani why Kalani isn't down watching Pippin. Sure, Kalani said that he thought Michael was down watching him, but the confusion between Angel and Kalani set off alarm bells for me.