Woa! Pecked at by a bird? I had to have missed that. Episode and time hack please..and thank you!
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Woa! Pecked at by a bird? I had to have missed that. Episode and time hack please..and thank you!
Well, I think I'll jump into this thread. Skittles has some skills! I blew a tire on Friday. Took me around 15 minutes to change. A lot of that revolved around me figuring out my weird jack, but still, Skittles did it in 4!
LOL@J0be!
Well, I'll add something about epi 19-3.
Some of their ammo issues are worked out for the moment
Better get to practicing ehe, J0be!
Did you notice that the scouting parties had tattoos for number of kills. Number of Zombie Kills? You'd think you could rack up hundreds of em but how many of them had been there since the beginning? Thirty is significant. Not enough but significant.
Teeth
P.S. Is it wrong to kill them if they could be brought back to their own sanity(healed)?
It would only be wrong to kill them if you had a cure that could be distributed and you were just sitting on it.
IMO.
Til you find that cure?
If it's down to me or them?
Me.
*Take note the PERIOD at the end of my last statement.*
:)
Anyone notice that Kelly is sprouting some REALLY funny lines the last 3 or 4 episodes?
She's rather upbeat for someone who lost everyone her nephew not that long ago. Did she hate him that badly? sheesh!
I failed to notice that they grabbed 2 backpacks of ammo when they skedaddled from the Colony until I listened again. Again, that was all Kelly. Vic wanted one bag. "Pretty sneaky sis" *from an old Battleship game commercial*
Hollo,
It's only been a couple weeks and people grieve during catastropies for love ones due to survivors guilt or from seeing them die, finding their bodies...etc.
You'll have to actually be in a real disaster or respond to the aftermath of one to see what i'm talking about. People cope, but they eventually have a breakdown. It normally happens out the blue too.
Agreed. People cope very differently with death, especially with the death of someone so young. Sadly having experienced this first hand, I know how wide the reactions run. Kelly is still grieving, but she's found a new purpose suddenly and it's allowing her the opportunity to focus on other things instead of her loss. I think if the relationship with Victor forms, she'll have a shoulder to cry on and he will be extremely helpful to her providing he opens up about what happened to him and his family too. They will be a great support structure for each other.
I think her real personality is finally coming through because she's had some really funny lines lately.
Hey wait a root'n toot'n minute! Speaking of Tommy! How exactly do you think he died? Burt missed him and I was thinking that fire wouldn't kill them. He didn't get very far after all.
-Fire kill him?
-Maller kill him as he tore out the building?
Maybe I just need to listen to that episode again and just don't remember.
The Mallers were gone by the time the zombies attacked and infiltrated the building. I think it's likely that if the fall didn't kill Zom-Tom, then it's likely that he broke himself to the point he couldn't move and was burned to death.
"broke himself to the point of not being able to move" hm...
Re-refresh my memory then. Didn't he bust down several fire doors on his exit? He was running down the hallway correct?
hmmm.. seems like that would have just tickled him. Ok, not gonna beat a zombie horse.
ROFL! Now that's something to laugh about.
when they found Bill's stolen stash it made a gun run less of a priority, next to food and safety supplies. perhaps the specialty zombies were never human, maybe they were engineered as weapons
Ah Haa! Engineered as weapons! I believe they all started human.
Not something I've noticed per se, but simply an assumption; There haven't been anymore transmissions to the Mallers. I can't remember if there were any protocols put in place to prevent another leak, but from what i'm gathering in, they still have one person at a time pulling guard duty.
Ok, something i did notice upon Mike's return"
-First thing he noticed was how trashed the place was
-Angel still isn't leadship material.
I'm in the middle of a series re-listen and I noticed something that I haven't heard mentioned on the forums yet: Saul said he was teaching Lady to follow scents (He said it right after he got her from his house). Seems minor but who knows what will come of that. Maybe Lady (who we now know can't turn) might become something like a homing pigeon for the Tower.
I think that's the point - they are attacking each other when its "feasible" (if I can use that term) - recall somewhere in episode 10 I think when Angel and Riley are rescuing Datu from the arena - they see the wave running - he says they're not running "towards" us, they're running "from" something - that was the (my) first indication that some zombies feed on othersQuote:
But it they are starving and they are cannibals, then why don't they attack each other?
Crow I think that's from a "Connect 4" commercialQuote:
"Pretty sneaky sis" *from an old Battleship game commercial*
Sorry for the old-post cut-and paste answers - newbie and catching up on convo's while waiting for the newest episode.
Great points and discussion - especially like the enthusiasm and willingness to cede points to each other - really great forum!
Aside from (or in addition to) all the outstanding observations, points and counter points, the thing that really, really stands out to me is this: normal "group forming" dynamics go through some general phases "Forming – Storming – Norming – Performing" - often in parallel and sometimes forward one step, back two. It just seems to me that there's been a whole lotta storm, skepticism and dis/mistrust very, very early in each relationship and not as much "holy crap, you're alive, me too, WTF is going on?!?" as I expected. Maybe this is superfluous to the story (and one or two examples represent the "everyperson" experience) or maybe everyone/group has already had their experience with a two-legged vermin and is now uber-cautious.
Hey Saint!
Welcome aboard the WA Train! Was that from Connect Four? Why do I remember it being "Battle Ship?" *runs off to google it*
Well Hot dayamn! It WAS! *grabs faulty memory by the throat and starts shaking* You're right, this is a great site and there are good peeps here. I haven't seen one pot shot or negative post.
Great call on the group dynamics by the way. As you know, they can stay in any stage of any good length of time. Storming seems to be the one they stay in the most and it makes sense though. It's only been a few months really. A few months of high stress levels. I'm suprised they haven't reached the "Beat that A.." stage. LOL.
Ok, time for a Crowbar Observation Moment:
Is it just me or does it seem that the Mallers really don't seem all that fazed, scared or worried about the infected. I say that for the following reasons:
1. The huge amount of land they claim as their territory!
a. that means they have really good firepower
b. They have a lot of man power
c. They've been very, very proactive in cleaning out the infected
2. The distance they've traveled outside their territory to recapture/bring back the AWOL.
a. See what I said above.
I think the "territory" thing is more of a holdover from the gang lifestyle than a declaration of a "zombie free" zone. The first time we meet Latch and Scratch, their primary concern is that Burt, Saul, and Lizzie are taking property from them. While I agree that they seem oddly unconcerned with the zombie outbreak, I see the territory issue being more of a mass looting strategy.
Thanks Crow,
Mallers are an interesting blend of "prototypical" criminals and unique talents.
proto-criminals (academic background talking here): "most" criminals demonstrate a "failure" to foresee results - that's not to say they don't plan, they just don't plan iterations and potential consequences of action (hence recidivism rates) - which lends itself to your sub-points (all reasons to believe they can take on a wave of inhuman beasties, without considering the "yeah, but what about...").
Scratch and Latch presented the very clever, scheming types - and also knew very early on that smell was a factor ("...your blood will be like a beacon...")
I see the point on the distance traveled part - I chalk that up to two possibilities: 1. they really have used up all immediate resources and going the distance for AWOL members is an add-on to their scavenging for "stuff" and a new place; 2. the AWOL took off with a ton-O-stuff and that's more valuable than getting the individual members.
I think Burt's reference to the Road Warrior (...just walk away) underscores your point about having man-power: join (get jumped in) or die; then work your way up the pecking order through skill, brutality or both.
I really have to get back to work now - between the 15 min coffee break post (that lasted 25 min) and this one, I am not having a productive Friday!
I'm playing "Left 4 Dead" with my 14 year old daughter and boy what wouldn't I give to have Crowbar! LOL.
Saint, I agree with part of what you said about criminals not having great forethought to actions. BUT, the one thing I know is that they know how to survive. I just feel that they're aren't too concerned about the infected is because they've been proactive during their territorial expansion.
Given, there isn't anyone left to contest the areas they claim, but to claim it, you have to be able to hold it in the first place.
Durai could be the King of the Mountain, but his Lt's could very well be allowed to run little fiefdoms and pay tithe to him.
I also think that the Mallers are following Duria's Sociatal Ethos: Meaning they're following his standards on how to deal with each other in manners involving fairness, justice and the rights of the individual. He could be the Kyle Craig (gotta read the Alex Cross novels by James Patterson to get that ref) of the WAverse.
Anyone notice how Steven seemed to have an ulterior motive to his actions?
I paid attention to what he was saying and HOW he was saying it and it seemed to be leading towards a power play. Remember how he yelled to everyone how HE could and would be able to enforce the rules? I don't think that was Tourette syndrome.
I just thought of something..
Why aren't there "Waves" of attackes in LA like they have near the colony???
What makes their behavior different? People have been able to wander the LA area pretty much unmolested. Not so much in the south west.
Good question. I would guess the smell of the couple hundred humans there is attracting larger numbers to the area...?
Yeah I got to agree with that. Plus since the zombies have been shown to have the ability to strategize in some ways, I would think they should be able to recognize that there is a large encampment of humans and then gather in that area and just keep attacking it.
Ya know, KC is like the Road Runner and all of us are Will E. Coyote! Damn him!
I'm going with "WAVES" because Pete says something like "Damn, they got us good THIS time didn't they?!"
That lead me to the conclusion that even if they Colony never directly suffers attacks (that we know of), the area sure gets them often.
I'm going with crowbar here... Why would The Colony have such a streamlined communications system for the recon teams with safe-houses and traps, if it was only a one time deal? Plus it didn't seem like that was Victor's first rodeo...
Exactamundo my friend!
The Listening and Observation posts are there for a reason. Early warning.
oh.. and take the Y off "They"
should read "The Colony"
I'm gonna try to steer the conversation a touch: what if what Kc was talking about was a coordinated multi-front attack by the the zombies? Discuss.
And as for why people in L.A. can wander freely vs. the Colony: who knows? Maybe it's because it just seems worse at the Colony because we weren't there as long. We don't know what a typical day in the life of a recon team is. Or it could be another example of one of my theories that the zombies attack targets that are bigger threats to their survival. The Colony would be far more threatening to me than the Tower would be on the surface of things. The reality is, the Colony is far more dangerous to zombie survival.
Nik,
..er Capt Nik, permision to speak freely Sir!
why do you say the Tower is more dangerous? Is it because they're closer?
Coordinated multi-front attack? Hmmm... that would call for multiple targets then.
Would those multiple targets just be the observation posts or other pockets of unknown survivors?
Who is the coordinator then? Sir Tattoo so far is the only cat we've been exposed to who seems to have a singular nature.
I know you've kicked around the idea of Ink and the "Observer" being 2 different beings, but a coordinated attack would mean they aren't so special after all.
My last question goes back to Pete's statement:
why'd you think you said "this time?"
Saul for Senate!
No, I said the Colony was more dangerous. The Tower is a small pocket of survivors that haven't really caused to many waves. They've basically just been sorta hanging out and doing their own thing. The colony is large and coordinated and pose a larger threat.
There are multiple entrances to the Colony. That's what I mean by multi-front attack. They come from both directions. And if who you call "Observer" (and I call "Rooftop") is coordinating the attacks, then they are just as special as they were before. They are the General calling the shots still. I realize this is a stretch. I'm just posing thoughts.
As for this time: we've heard examples of other attacks. and I'm sure just like the tower there's the initial attack they suffered after Pegs dropped the flower pot. No one really got hurt, and nothing bad really happened. Next attack was worse because Paul got destroyed by The Tattooed One. The attack after that was worse yet (though arguably the Mallers did worse). So that's what I always took that to mean. This particular attack was pretty demoralizing in Pete's opinion.
Well that would be because it makes no sense. Typo=confusion. I meant the Colony. I've fixed it above to clarify that for anyone else that comes here.