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PICTURES!!!!!, this thread is useless without PICTURES!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Solanine
Armoured Vehicles give me a hard on............did I say that out loud?
When Rick Grimes in the walking dead holed up in that tank & he's talking to Glenn over the radio he asks Glenn for advice because he's a little concerned?????????
I'd be like sweeeeeeeeeeeet I'm in a fricking tank!!!!!!!!!!!!! SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET
Armored vehicles would be really good to have around when you're over-run with zombies. They're tough and secure—once you're inside nothing short of a behemoth can get at you. They pack massive firepower, and they don't have a problem negotiating streets full of abandoned cars.
K I'll see what I can do, I don't have any pictures as it is. There is a few APC's, a couple of tanks and lots of armoured Land rovers and other all terrain vehicles.
You don't need pictures to tell someone how and where you'd hole up during an outbreak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nullifier
No you certainly don't, I just happen to really like AFV'sQuote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
so what is your point?
He was just saying, people don't usually leave pictures of themselves/ their location on the internet, not wise at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nullifier
You came of a little aggressive their, just try and be a little careful. This forum is the internet equivalent of a nice, friendly british hamlet. Don't spoil it.
The point my friend is that for THIS thread, which has nothing to do with AFV's- is that you do not need a picture to answer the question. Simple. Thanks for replying by the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nullifier
A far too complex answer to simply toss into page 9 of a thread. I'll reserve it for an upcoming blog.
Solanine,Quote:
Originally Posted by Solanine
He's/She's a newbie so they get a pass, plus you can't read into the attitude because it may or may not be what it reads like.
Thanks for having my back though. LOL. I may just add you to my "WillTravel" team. LOL.. Lets's see.. HaveShotGunWillTravel... hmm...
Armoured vehicles like tanks and APC's are a rookie mistake. An M-1 Abrams has a jet turbine engine that is a bitch to maintain and takes a crew of 4 to drive. You can get away with having a driver and a TC but that'd be rough trying to get around in a urban enviorment. A Bradley or an M-133 is also a tough one to go with. If you break track you'll be assed out and not to mention that these beasts drink fuel by the gallon.
The best way to go is a nice crew cab pick up. Something with a low profile that you can drive through the doors of a Costco and take all of Britt's stuff and still seat 4-5 people (I'd stick with at least 4 people when doing anything). Weld some chainlink fence on the windsheild and rear window and rebar over the door windows and you're good to go. If you're worried about other survivors shooting at you get some 1 inch steel plates for the doors and around the engine block that you can easily replace and viola' perfect zombie vehicle.
CrowBar I'm resisting posting a picture of a Nissan Frontier LOL!
The Apc/ armoured vehicles are immobilised anyway. The Idea is that you could shut the lid on yourself to avoid being seen and If you put a survival pack in it could be a good refuge. Imagine the tower gets attacked. Tanya jumps into Apc (which is a fancy guard post really) and can wait for back up. Until a behemoth comes.
Leedo! My brother in Arms..even it you're Army! (i'm on a hate Army kick right now due to all the middleman crap you guys do)Quote:
Originally Posted by Leedo2502
Anyway, Fiction wise, auto glass breaks if you breath on it. Real life, a human fist will break before it does any damage. A zombie may not FEEL pain but the law of nature still applies. Hand..glass. Glass wins! hahah.
Ok.. but you would want to reinforce the windows to protect from "Bodies" and objects. I saw a special once on the dynamics of cars vs people (adult and kids). They showed that a lower a car is, the safer it is for an adult because we tend to go over the hood. Kids get squished. The higher it is, the worse it is for adults. We get squished (because we hit the grill) and kids go under the vehicle.
SOOOO, the long rant was to show that you should tailor your vehicle to what you need it for. I'm going out and there's a really high chance of me running into the Infected... i'm going with a Ford Expedition or Honda Passport. Something with a moon roof to shoot from and a higher profile so I can smack creatures with the grill and keep going. Better yet if you put one of those big ass metal "Cow Catcher" grills you see on some trucks.
Oh, and keep resisting my friend.. keep resisting.
What do you think a Behemoth could do to an armored vehicle? In my mind, I don't see them doing to much but scratching there backs like bears use trees. LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solanine
Throw it. Against the tower xD
I'm not to sure a behemoth could really do anything to an armoured vehicle. I've taken rounds on an uparmoured Humvee and it literally didn't scratch the paint. Maybe, Maybe a behemoth could flip an armoured vehicle but not likely. If it is not being used for AS a vehicle sure an armoured vehicle might be a good spot to hide, but little else. I'm a tall dude so I'd stay out of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solanine
Whoa! LOL. We haven't seen any indication of them being that strong. They're big, but probably not super duper strong. If that were the case (this has been talked about before) then they'd have no problem climbing or getting to people who are barricaded and such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solanine
They're tough as hell, but not extra strong. The general consensus is that they have something wrong anatomy wise that keeps them from reaching high stuff, or being able to climb. That would keep them from lifting cars and such as well. Little T-Rex arms or thin, grabby arms with bloated bodies is how I see them
Mofo's would likely be HAF without the engine running too. I've never been in one, but I have been in a Peace Keeper in the summer.. ewww.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leedo2502
Sheeeet you listed all the reasons I want out of the Army LMAO! I'm all on board with the power of the windsheild I like the idea of having a lower profile vehicle (or atleast on in the convoy) that can literally drive into a building and load up supplies and such. I'd resist the moon roof and just shoot out of the open windows, Maybe rig up a bungee so I could prop the door open whilst still having it secured by the frame from opening too far.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
All this vehicle talk makes me think that I'd just get a VW bus or an old Ford pickup. The maintenence would be a hell of alot easier and without all the transmission computers and added electronic stuff that could go wrong.
Yeah the bennie of that armoured humvee in Iraq was the AC otherwise I'd have walked LOL!!Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
There is a difference between concrete and reenforeced steel. One man with a sledge hammer can bust up a wall and get into the tower given enough time. That same dude couldn't do a thing against a tanks armour. Now maybe it could rip off a hatch but pretty unlikely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solanine
Now why the hell would you resist the moon roof man! It's safe. It ain't Somalia man! Just some dead or infected fools running around. You're in a big ass Chevy Tahoe. You can fire at will (if you know which one is will) ROFL!Quote:
Originally Posted by Leedo2502
Sorry for that one. Ahem.. ANYWHOOOO,
Stable firing position when it's static and a pretty good one when it's moving. If you're a skinny mofo, then 2 people can shoot from it. You also get a 360 degree view
I agree that an older car would be better. There'd be plenty of places to get spare parts. BUT, then again, get me a Toyota and I don't have to worry about it going Kaput anyway.
Ok when we talk about something running THROUGH walls I kind of assume its strong.
ARMY strong, maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Solanine
I'm not sure, but I sure wouldn't want to try it. Possiby it could drag you off and then the others could just wait you out. Thats why it would only be any good if you had others to rescue you. Like a bank vault.
You only have to be Big, heavy and tough to run through stuff (my opinion). Now, if he was punching and pulling support beams down....Quote:
Originally Posted by Solanine
I think if that were the case then Skittles, Kalani and Angel woudn't have been safe in the water tower. It would have just pulled it down. Again, only my opinion and how I see the Behemoth.
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Originally Posted by Leedo2502
My thoughts exactly, post SHTF grab something 30 or 40 years old, pre fuel injected & computerized, only thing the average person can do with modern cars is change the oil, top up the water & replace spark plugs, even with a workshop manual these new cars want to be treated in weird ways, like having to run the car while stationary at idle for up to half an hour to reset the computer ignition & timing, not an option post SHTF with limited fuel supplies, better to junk it & grab something older.
I think it must be pretty strong, even if its strength doesn't grow in line with size, I'm guessing it would push around an APC. Which in my case is pretty rusty and old.
I'll raise you 1 LandmasterQuote:
Originally Posted by Leedo2502
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZYT2nYd46o
How about an airship? There are more modern ones being designed for
spying, and can stay up for months and months. Also they're designed so that when shot they come down very gradually. And are filled with helium so they won't go up in a fireball.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindenburg_disaster
You really want to be somewhere where you can grow a little fruit & vegetables, having 12 months worth of Rations may sound like a good idea but they have an effect on your body in ways you just don't want to know about, for sanity & sanitary reasons I'd say the average person couldn't endure more than about 2 weeks worth before you'd have a mutiny on hand.
Ok, in the back roads of East Texas, where I live, basically every house you see deep in the woods is like a mini military base. I even know people who utilize motion sensor cameras and thermal imaging around here. Many of these people are very secluded, sometimes even the county roads they live on are still dirt and don't show up on maps. Now, where I live is closer to civilization but our arsenal is close at hand. There is also a big rodeo arena behind the house just in case we needed some place big for protection. If all else fails, I would go to a big city, fight my way through the hoards and hole up in a big corporate building, maybe one in Dallas. Finding guns is not a problem. In fact, my neighbor just bought an AR for recreational use (aka hog hunting).
I'd be pissed, stuck in the southwest part of my city is still awhile to get out, I dont have a gun here nor a badass weapon at all, I'd guess I would try to wait awhile and get to my dad, me and him have plans for zombies or just riots but we need to update them abit.
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Originally Posted by ryanlm09
LOL.. Ryan thanks for posting this. The AR for "Recreational" use was pretty funny.
DOC,Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Hatchet
What's the SW part of your city look like? There has to be something you can use in your home or car or some nice place to rabbit yourself away. Heck, a tire iron is a pretty nasty weapon.
What are you and your dad's plans?
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Originally Posted by ryanlm09
Might need the Davy Crockett for some of dem picks. An AR15 is just going to piss them off LOL
Arthur,
You know I was thinking about my AK47.. Grizzly Adams line when I read that! I was so waiting on you to catch that. You let me down man. ROFL.
Sorry, CB. I did not mean to leave you out. I think it is all part of the same running joke. Kinda like "stone soup" Put a stone in some boiling water and when some one asks what your doing say you are making stone soup. Then someone, says you know what would go good in there, some salt. Then someone brings some carrots, etc. Pretty soon it is an awesome soup with everyone contributing a little.
Agreed, a person's situation is never hopeless, most people get into a tizzy when the subject of "Survival" comes up, you just need someone with a survival mindset to take a look around, every item has at least 2 uses, eg, a broom handle makes an excellent thrusting weapon & of coarse it doesn't have to all be about weapons & self defence, if you're really clever like me you can grow food on a concrete slab.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
Regarding the bug-out I've wanted to post this next bit for some time & this thread seems as good as any where else to post it, this was from a friend, posted on a survival forum some time ago, so I can't take any credit for it, although I strongly disagree with hit comments regarding weeds, not meant in anyway to undermine anyone's bug-out plans just to emphasize that if you have no fixed place to go, you have no plan :
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If your survival strategy is to jump in your camper van at the first sign of trouble and drive out to a remote location in the mountains where you will survive by foraging, fishing and boiling tree bark for soup, you have no strategy.
Bugout is desperation unless you have a fixed prepared retreat to bugout to.
Anybody who talks about living off the land has probably never tried to live off the land. It's REALLY hard. There are no gas stations out there, so your fuel you carry will likely run out within a week, meaning your temporary bugout location will become your permanent bugout location when your gas gauge hits empty. If you plan on surviving on the calories you get from fishing and foraging, you've probably never spent an entire day fishing without catching anything or foraging for weeds that provide almost no energy content and have to be boiled for hours to be edible - mind you, your caloric requirements will be severely increased by walking miles looking for food and hiking up and down through the woods. Ever increasing demands with ever decreasing gains, soon you won't have the strength to get up in the morning to go looking for an uncertain return in food that may or may not be just waiting out there for you to find it.
Now remember that there will be millions of other misguided a**holes like yourselves trying to live out their meticulously visualized Davy Crockett fantasy at the same time all around you. In about a week, all the fish will be fished out, the game will be hunted out and they will start to strip the bark off the trees. About a month later, when real hunger sets in, it will occur to people that the only reliable source of protein out there is human flesh and the most reliable source of food and supplies is at hand by stealing and robbing any of the other hundred thousand fools out there. In two months, the landscape will be stripped bare from uncontrolled forest fires and human occupation, stinking from untreated and unburied sewage and littered with offal consisting of the less edible parts of the human frame. Mind you, all of this is the upbeat feelgood hit of the summer Frank Capra prelude to when things start to get really bad for the buggees amidst their bugouts.
If you want to know about the bugout, read some books about the Ukrainian famine.
The wilderness will be overrun with millions of people who think it's a clever idea that will enable them to survive which "other people" will not take advantage of.
The "bugout" is a one way road to oblivion
Nullifier,
I KNOW I don't know how to live off the land. That was a pretty good read. Thanks for sharing
no problem, but as I said a person's situation is never hopeless, My own personal view, if you don't have a place to bug out to, stay put, use what local resources you can find/gather, you are more likely to survive in YOUR environment after all no outsider knows your neighborhood like you do vis a vis.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaveCrowBarWillTravel
Start by taking note of your surroundings, make a reference map of where any fruit bearing trees are, I'm lucky in a few ways, I have a friend who cycles 60 miles (100kms) a day for fitness so I pumped him for his knowledge on all the fruit trees growing alongside the roads in the district, also where I live, I have an avenue of about 50 Oriental white oaks, low in tannins they also drop acorns every 6 months & a creek about 50 ft from my door, home to ducks when in season, I've never bothered them, no need to, would rather encourage their return & reproduction.
Where you are i'd guess you'd have a pretty good climate for growing food, not being intimate with the locale, I'd guess you would even get an extended growing season, but if you have to you can grow food on a high rise roof top, with nothing but layers of sticks, the larger ones down first, then small etc, then you dump whatever soil (from pot plants) is to hand on top & go (grow) from there, me, I wouldn't grow the food in the pots as the soil will be somewhat diseased, devoid of micro organism & all that good stuff, potted plants in public places tend to be treated like trash cans by people stuffing all manner of crap in them including cigarette butts & half drunk coffee etc, so using the layered stick method (hugelkultur or Mound Culture) will revitalize the soil in time.
I know for a fact it works, I've done it on grass lawn, corrugated Iron & concrete slabs, if you're interested in more look up no dig gardens, raised bed gardens & hugelkulture.
You only need to out live the Nongs that did nothing at all to prepare, after that the world is just one big supermarket except that the check out chicks, store manager & security guards have "gone home" :)
Most people live from pay check to pay check, after a collapse in a fortnight they are going to be really hungry, in a month they'll have their neighbors over for Dinner - literally, so if the best you can manage is a pantry with 6 weeks worth of food, you're already ahead of the curve.
I can't stress this enough TAKE EVERYTHING, LEAVE NOTHING, post collapse, once it's gone it's gone, the clothes you have may be the only ones you will ever have, so that last box of soap powder you so disdainfully looked at in that looted supermarket is going keep those clothes in usable condition, those fire extinguishers you kept passing as you searched through the adjoining apartment blocks, may just stop your home from burning down.
Still even a looted supermarket is going to offer up a lot of useful items, most have a little home & garden & auto section with buckets, jute twine, seeds, weed killer, liquid fertilizer, batteries, tools etc & people tend to focus on their immediate needs, so they are going to bypass those packets of seeds, buckets & all manner of useful stuff & head straight for the canned food, if you're really lucky they won't take any "packet" foods that really need preparation, like flour, pasta & rice & as mentioned in WA, sooner or later mice & rats will get at it, so grab it first, Zip Firelighters are a good substitute for Hexamine Tablets to cook it all on a camp stove.
remember, everything has at least 2 uses & Pillow cases make excellent "Loot Sacks" :)
